What are these phenomena that RE can't explain?

Anything else?  I'm extremely curious.

Anything else?  I'm extremely curious.

The Flat Earth also provides better explanations for:

Aether Theory
Fluid Mechanics
Archimedes’ Principle
Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion
Beer-Lambert Law
Newton’s three laws of motion
Newton’s law of universal gravitation
Newton’s law of cooling
The Acquiescence Effect
Boyle's Law
Ideal Gas Law
Maxwell's equations
The First Law of Thermodynamics
Buys-Ballot's Law

For full detailed information on these subjects please consult the books listed in the thread The Flat Earth: A List of References.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Kepler's Laws have something to do with planetary motion? Or don't you consider the earth a planet?

And universal gravitation? I understand how the FE model explains gravitation on earth, but how about gravitation on other celestial bodies (the sun and moon for instance)?

Newton's formula F_grav=G((m₁*m₂)/d²)  ; wouldn't it make the earth collapse within itself and form a spherical mass if the earth was flat?

You gotta explain these things, Tom, not everyone is smart.

Quote from: Pyrochimp on March 06, 2007, 05:40:17 PM

Anything else?  I'm extremely curious.

The Flat Earth also provides better explanations for:

Aether Theory
Fluid Mechanics
Archimedes’ Principle
Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion
Beer-Lambert Law
Newton’s three laws of motion
Newton’s law of universal gravitation
Newton’s law of cooling
The Acquiescence Effect
Boyle's Law
Ideal Gas Law
Maxwell's equations
The First Law of Thermodynamics
Buys-Ballot's Law

For full detailed information on these subjects please consult the books listed in the thread The Flat Earth: A List of References.

LOL.  Tom, you can't be serious.  You post a list of theories, most of which have no relevance to the shape of the Earth, and then provide a list of books as your proof.  Care to explain how any of those theories suggest that the Earth is flat?

Quote from: Pyrochimp on March 06, 2007, 05:40:17 PM

Anything else?  I'm extremely curious.

The Flat Earth also provides better explanations for:

Aether Theory
Fluid Mechanics
Archimedes’ Principle
Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion
Beer-Lambert Law
Newton’s three laws of motion
Newton’s law of universal gravitation
Newton’s law of cooling
The Acquiescence Effect
Boyle's Law
Ideal Gas Law
Maxwell's equations
The First Law of Thermodynamics
Buys-Ballot's Law

For full detailed information on these subjects please consult the books listed in the thread The Flat Earth: A List of References.

If you'd like to personally provide in-depth explanations for as many of these as possible, feel free.

(edit) I fail to see how...well, ANY of those are better explained by FE.  So please, do explain.  I don't exactly have the time to read every book in your list of references.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 06, 2007, 08:48:50 PM

Quote from: Pyrochimp on March 06, 2007, 05:40:17 PM

Anything else?  I'm extremely curious.

The Flat Earth also provides better explanations for:

Aether Theory
Fluid Mechanics
Archimedes’ Principle
Kepler’s three laws of planetary motion
Beer-Lambert Law
Newton’s three laws of motion
Newton’s law of universal gravitation
Newton’s law of cooling
The Acquiescence Effect
Boyle's Law
Ideal Gas Law
Maxwell's equations
The First Law of Thermodynamics
Buys-Ballot's Law

For full detailed information on these subjects please consult the books listed in the thread The Flat Earth: A List of References.

If you'd like to personally provide in-depth explanations for as many of these as possible, feel free.

Just read Earth: Not a Globe of 1881

I would also like to know how the FE explains fluid mechanics, or Newton's three laws or even the 1st law of Thermo better than the RE.

I think he was just posting laws and theories at random

(Isn't aether theory kind of outdated anyway?  Light doesn't need a medium to travel through with the current explanation of light)

Close to two days and no explanations from Tom on any of those.  I'm still baffled on how any of the theories/laws listed are explained better by FE.  Inquiring minds want to know!

Tom just copied and pasted the contents page of a Physics Text book and hoped for the best.

You're probably not even gonna find a mention of aether theory in any physics textbook made within the last century.

Tom just copied and pasted the contents page of a Physics Text book and hoped for the best.

I thought that's what he always did?

Come on Tom, I know you're around here somewhere.  Give us a (real) explanation for at least a few of those, because until you do none of them add to your arguement.

Please look at the FE Literature instead of asking me to rewrite novels of information you could easily read up on for yourselves. It's really a waste of time for me to personally educate every two bit REer who comes along.

Aether Theory

Flat Earth Theory accurately explains the existence of aether as a generally covariant generalization of Einstein's General Relativity which describes FE spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the aether. In particular, Flat Earth Aether has a preferred reference frame and so is not Lorentz invariant.

Fluid Mechanics

Flat Earth Theory improves upon the Continuum Hypothesis by defining the molecules of fluid as discrete particles rather than points in space. By doing this, it gives greater accuracy in statistical models, doing away with approximations. The only downside is that as calculations become more laborious and complex, human error becomes an issue.

Archimedes’ Principle

Flat Earth Theory expands Archimedes' Principle to include an accurate calculation of Buoyancy due to a uniform upward force. By making a rather minor addition, two issues are resolved: The floating sun, and the mechanism which keeps the atmosphere in. This addition is also useful for describing the effect that allows a beachball to hover over the spout of a leaf blower.

Beer-Lambert Law

Flat Earth Theory improves on this law by defining an exponential dependence between the transmission of light through a substance and the concentration of the substance, and also between the transmission and the breadth of material that the light travels through

Newton’s three laws of motion

Newton's laws of motion are given greater depth by the inclusion of relativistic effects.

Newton’s law of universal gravitation

Flat Earth Theory eclipses Newton's universal gravitation with the Equivalence Principle.

Newton’s law of cooling

Flat Earth Theory limits the spontaneous transfer of thermal energy through matter. By the inclusion of Thermosiphon (a method of passive heat exchange) it can be shown that the evening out of temperature differences from a region of higher temperature to a region of lower temperature is not entirely spontaneous.

Boyle's Law

Flat Earth Theory makes the clarification that in a fixed mass of gas at fixed temperature, the product of pressure and volume will not always be constant. There are also gas constants, heavy elements, pollution, and gravitation through acceleration to consider.

Ideal Gas Law

Flat Earth Theory eclipses the Ideal Gas law with an equation of state (relation of state variables) for a fluid composed of particles that have a non-zero size and a pairwise attractive inter-particle force. The equation approximates the behavior of real fluids, taking into account the nonzero size of molecules and the attractions between them.

The First Law of Thermodynamics

James Prescott Joule's First Law of Thermodynamics is completely tarnished, since it is apparent that in his equations he did not take the perpetually expanding universe into account.

Buys-Ballot's Law

Buys-Ballot's law is reworked to do away with completely the hypothetical Coriolis effect. Wind travels counterclockwise around low pressure zones upon the entire earth, not just in selected areas. The Coriolis effect is not mounted in solid observations.

The Acquiescence Effect

This is a psychological effect which accurately describes the passivity of a Round Earther. Like a dog to the whistle the Round Earther will automatically agree with any authoritative figure who comes his way. When asked a question by another person, the Round Earther's answer is based not just on a rational consideration of what is being asked. In particular, his sensitive identity compels him to consider how he appears to others.

All Round Earthers are highly hypocritical, sheeple who cannot think for themselves.

For example, when the Round Earther is asked 'Do you think the government makes mistakes?', he will say yes. The next day if he is asked 'Do you think the government generally gets it right?', he will also agree. Two very different answers to the same question. He automatically agrees, afraid of thinking for himself.

Please look at the FE Literature instead of asking me to rewrite novels of information you could easily read up on for yourselves. It's really a waste of time for me to personally educate every two bit REer who comes along.

Aether Theory

Flat Earth Theory accurately explains the existence of aether as a generally covariant generalization of Einstein's General Relativity which describes FE spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the aether. In particular, Flat Earth Aether has a preferred reference frame and so is not Lorentz invariant.

Fluid Mechanics

Flat Earth Theory improves on the Continuum Hypothesis by defining the molecules of fluid as discrete particles rather than points in space. By doing this, it gives greater accuracy in statistical models, doing away with approximations. The only downside is that as calculations become more laborious and complex, human error becomes an issue.

Archimedes’ Principle

Flat Earth Theory expands Archimedes' Principle to include an accurate calculation of Buoyancy due to a uniform upward force. By making a rather minor addition, two issues are resolved: The floating sun, and the mechanism which keeps the atmosphere in. This addition is also useful for describing the effect that allows a beachball to hover over the spout of a leaf blower.

Beer-Lambert Law

Flat Earth Theory improves on this law by defining an exponential dependence between the transmission of light through a substance and the concentration of the substance, and also between the transmission and the breadth of material that the light travels through

Newton’s three laws of motion

Newton's laws of motion are given greater depth by the inclusion of relativistic effects.

Newton’s law of universal gravitation

Flat Earth Theory eclipses Newton's universal gravitation with the Equivalence Principle.

Newton’s law of cooling

Flat Earth Theory limits the spontaneous transfer of thermal energy through matter. By the inclusion of Thermosiphon (a method of passive heat exchange) it can be shown that the evening out of temperature differences from a region of higher temperature to a region of lower temperature is not entirely spontaneous.

Boyle's Law

Flat Earth Theory makes the clarification that in a fixed mass of gas at fixed temperature, the product of pressure and volume will not always be constant. There are also gas constant, heavy elements, pollution, and gravitation to consider.

Ideal Gas Law

Flat Earth Theory eclipses the Ideal Gas law with an equation of state (relation of state variables) for a fluid composed of particles that have a non-zero size and a pairwise attractive inter-particle force. The equation approximates the behavior of real fluids, taking into account the nonzero size of molecules and the attractions between them.

The First Law of Thermodynamics

James Prescott Joule's First Law of Thermodynamics is completely tarnished, since it is apparent that in his equations he did not take the perpetually expanding universe into account.

Buys-Ballot's Law

Buys-Ballot's law is reworked to do away with completely the hypothetical Coriolis effect. Wind travels counterclockwise around low pressure zones upon the entire earth, not just in selected areas. The Coriolis effect is not mounted in solid observations or evidence.

You sir, are a GOD!!!

You finally destroyed my will to perpetually argue.  You win, I can't even begin to wrap my mind around all that nonsense being portrayed in such a way.

Most of your explanations frankly claim that those concepts support the FE theory, and yet no explicit connection between the theory and the FE model is made... I wonder why...

The Acquiescence Effect

This is a psychological effect which accurately describes the passivity of a Round Earther. Like a dog to the whistle the Round Earther will automatically agree with any authoritative figure who comes his way. When asked a question by another person, the Round Earther's answer is based not just on a rational consideration of what is being asked. In particular, his sensitive identity compels him to consider how he appears to others.

I guess this must be your idea of humor..

All Round Earthers are highly hypocritical, sheeple who cannot think for themselves.

For example, when the Round Earther is asked 'Do you think the government makes mistakes?', he will say yes. The next day if he is asked 'Do you think the government generally gets it right?', he will also agree. Two very different answers to the same question. He automatically agrees, afraid of thinking for himself.

1) You need to take a class on basic logic, because those two questions are very different.  The fact that the government make mistakes does not at all mean that they don't generally get things right.  You also left the question in very abstract terms.  Which government? Which administration? What qualifies as a mistake and what qualifies as 'getting it right'?
2) It seems to me that you decide to believe some authorities on blind faith, but absolutely refuse to believe others that provide empirical proof behind their claims

Why, for example, do you believe this:

The figure of 12 km is the farthest depth ever reached by Russian geologists. Over forty years ago, researchers in the Soviet Union began an ambitious drilling project whose goal was to tunnel through the Flat Earth and sample the warm, mysterious area where the crust and mantle intermingle– the Mohorovičić discontinuity, or "Moho." So deep is this area that the Russian scientists had to invent new ways of drilling, and some of the contrived methods proved quite inventive. But despite the valiant effort which spanned several decades, the Russians never reached their goal, and many of the Flat Earth's secrets were left undiscovered. The work done by the Soviets did, however, provide a plethora of information about what lies just beneath the surface, and it continues to be scientifically useful to the Flat Earth Society today. The project was known as the Kola Superdeep Borehole.

Here is a picture of the Kola Superdeep Borehole: http://i15.tinypic.com/2hpufwz.jpg

Since the suction in the vacinity is so powerful, the area above the Borehole is off limits to air traffic.

They could have easily lied about all of this (and the pictures would have been even easier to photoshop).

At least you answered.  You never specified which books out of the dozens in your list of references show these theories are better explained by FE, which is why I wanted you to provide explanations for at least some of them.  I'm not that devoted to showing the Earth is round to some people on the internet.

Aether Theory

Flat Earth Theory accurately explains the existence of aether as a generally covariant generalization of Einstein's General Relativity which describes FE spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the aether. In particular, Flat Earth Aether has a preferred reference frame and so is not Lorentz invariant.

Hmm....ok.  I haven't heard anything about aether involving FE before now though.  Specific source?

Fluid Mechanics

Flat Earth Theory improves on the Continuum Hypothesis by defining the molecules of fluid as discrete particles rather than points in space. By doing this, it gives greater accuracy in statistical models, doing away with approximations. The only downside is that as calculations become more laborious and complex, human error becomes an issue.

Why does FE define molecules different again? I'd look it up myself if you tell which book in your sources explains this.

Archimedes’ Principle

Flat Earth Theory expands Archimedes' Principle to include an accurate calculation of Buoyancy due to a uniform upward force. By making a rather minor addition, two issues are resolved: The floating sun, and the mechanism which keeps the atmosphere in. This addition is also useful for describing the effect that allows a beachball to hover over the spout of a leaf blower.

Explain in more detail, or tell me which book to read in your list of sources.

Beer-Lambert Law

Flat Earth Theory improves on this law by defining an exponential dependence between the transmission of light through a substance and the concentration of the substance, and also between the transmission and the breadth of material that the light travels through

Which book would I look in to have this explained in more detail?

Newton’s three laws of motion

Newton's laws of motion are given greater depth by the inclusion of relativistic effects.

Relativity applies in RE too, and RE is under relativistic effects as well.  Not better explained by FE.

Newton’s law of universal gravitation

Flat Earth Theory eclipses Newton's universal gravitation with the Equivalence Principle.

Again with the equivalence principle...we could debate this for hours and get nowhere (it's been done many times already).

Newton’s law of cooling

Flat Earth Theory limits the spontaneous transfer of thermal energy through matter. By the inclusion of Thermosiphon (a method of passive heat exchange) it can be shown that the evening out of temperature differences from a region of higher temperature to a region of lower temperature is not entirely spontaneous.

How's FE limit spontaneous transfer of energy through matter?  Again, gotta give me a specific source.

Boyle's Law

Flat Earth Theory makes the clarification that in a fixed mass of gas at fixed temperature, the product of pressure and volume will not always be constant. There are also gas constants, heavy elements, pollution, and gravitation to consider.

Why's FE theory make this clarification?  Source me, baby.

Ideal Gas Law

Flat Earth Theory eclipses the Ideal Gas law with an equation of state (relation of state variables) for a fluid composed of particles that have a non-zero size and a pairwise attractive inter-particle force. The equation approximates the behavior of real fluids, taking into account the nonzero size of molecules and the attractions between them.

And this equation is?  Source, source, source.  I'm not so hot on looking through every book you have listed on your page of source.

The First Law of Thermodynamics

James Prescott Joule's First Law of Thermodynamics is completely tarnished, since it is apparent that in his equations he did not take the perpetually expanding universe into account.

Surely you agree that the universe is expanding in RE too?  I don't see how this is exclusive to FE.

Buys-Ballot's Law

Buys-Ballot's law is reworked to do away with completely the hypothetical Coriolis effect. Wind travels counterclockwise around low pressure zones upon the entire earth, not just in selected areas. The Coriolis effect is not mounted in solid observations or evidence.

Yeah, it is. Storm systems have a strong tendency (definitely not coincidental) to move clockwise in the Southern hemisphere.  Of course, the big bad conspirators did it, whatever.  By "selected areas" did you mean the entire Southern hemisphere?

The Acquiescence Effect

This is a psychological effect which accurately describes the passivity of a Round Earther. Like a dog to the whistle the Round Earther will automatically agree with any authoritative figure who comes his way. When asked a question by another person, the Round Earther's answer is based not just on a rational consideration of what is being asked. In particular, his sensitive identity compels him to consider how he appears to others.

All Round Earthers are highly hypocritical, sheeple who cannot think for themselves.

For example, when the Round Earther is asked 'Do you think the government makes mistakes?', he will say yes. The next day if he is asked 'Do you think the government generally gets it right?', he will also agree. Two very different answers to the same question. He automatically agrees, afraid of thinking for himself.

You repeat this a lot.  Why is it that every REer in the entire world (and I mean EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING except for about a dozen or so on this site) is a brainless herd animal?  What makes you so much better?  Because you came to the amazing conclusion the Earth is flat?  Listen, you're just being ignorant at this point.  It's quite apparent that you think you and your FE internet friends are an elite upper class of society, transcending all the "hype" that the Earth is round because you found the "truth".  You're not.



I'd actually be willing to take an in-depth look at a lot of these claims if you just told me WHICH BOOK to look in.

Please look at the FE Literature instead of asking me to rewrite novels of information you could easily read up on for yourselves. It's really a waste of time for me to personally educate every two bit REer who comes along.

Aether Theory

Flat Earth Theory accurately explains the existence of aether as a generally covariant generalization of Einstein's General Relativity which describes FE spacetime endowed with both a metric and a unit timelike vector field named the aether. In particular, Flat Earth Aether has a preferred reference frame and so is not Lorentz invariant.

Fluid Mechanics

Flat Earth Theory improves upon the Continuum Hypothesis by defining the molecules of fluid as discrete particles rather than points in space. By doing this, it gives greater accuracy in statistical models, doing away with approximations. The only downside is that as calculations become more laborious and complex, human error becomes an issue.

Archimedes’ Principle

Flat Earth Theory expands Archimedes' Principle to include an accurate calculation of Buoyancy due to a uniform upward force. By making a rather minor addition, two issues are resolved: The floating sun, and the mechanism which keeps the atmosphere in. This addition is also useful for describing the effect that allows a beachball to hover over the spout of a leaf blower.

Beer-Lambert Law

Flat Earth Theory improves on this law by defining an exponential dependence between the transmission of light through a substance and the concentration of the substance, and also between the transmission and the breadth of material that the light travels through

Newton’s three laws of motion

Newton's laws of motion are given greater depth by the inclusion of relativistic effects.

Newton’s law of universal gravitation

Flat Earth Theory eclipses Newton's universal gravitation with the Equivalence Principle.

Newton’s law of cooling

Flat Earth Theory limits the spontaneous transfer of thermal energy through matter. By the inclusion of Thermosiphon (a method of passive heat exchange) it can be shown that the evening out of temperature differences from a region of higher temperature to a region of lower temperature is not entirely spontaneous.

Boyle's Law

Flat Earth Theory makes the clarification that in a fixed mass of gas at fixed temperature, the product of pressure and volume will not always be constant. There are also gas constants, heavy elements, pollution, and gravitation through acceleration to consider.

Ideal Gas Law

Flat Earth Theory eclipses the Ideal Gas law with an equation of state (relation of state variables) for a fluid composed of particles that have a non-zero size and a pairwise attractive inter-particle force. The equation approximates the behavior of real fluids, taking into account the nonzero size of molecules and the attractions between them.

The First Law of Thermodynamics

James Prescott Joule's First Law of Thermodynamics is completely tarnished, since it is apparent that in his equations he did not take the perpetually expanding universe into account.

Buys-Ballot's Law

Buys-Ballot's law is reworked to do away with completely the hypothetical Coriolis effect. Wind travels counterclockwise around low pressure zones upon the entire earth, not just in selected areas. The Coriolis effect is not mounted in solid observations.

The Acquiescence Effect

This is a psychological effect which accurately describes the passivity of a Round Earther. Like a dog to the whistle the Round Earther will automatically agree with any authoritative figure who comes his way. When asked a question by another person, the Round Earther's answer is based not just on a rational consideration of what is being asked. In particular, his sensitive identity compels him to consider how he appears to others.

All Round Earthers are highly hypocritical, sheeple who cannot think for themselves.

For example, when the Round Earther is asked 'Do you think the government makes mistakes?', he will say yes. The next day if he is asked 'Do you think the government generally gets it right?', he will also agree. Two very different answers to the same question. He automatically agrees, afraid of thinking for himself.

wow

someone really knows how to use google

but your no better than a creationist

creationists distort the 3rd law of thermodynamics to meet their own ends even though its not true

you sir are doing the same

you distort things to make you "appear" correct when in fact you miss out vital point which will disprove you

people, read up on these theories and you will see how Tom Distorts them for his own ends and bias

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa haaaaaaa.

Lots of big words, little actual content.  If I knew which exact book to look in to find out about why and how FE changes all these commonly accepted laws, I would, but I don't.  You can't just direct me to a page of dozens of books to look in and not say which ones.