Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly

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Kom Incense

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Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« on: February 26, 2007, 12:47:11 AM »
Please understand I am still making a decision based on both side arguments. I however didn't see this in the faq. In case the anwer 'photoshop' is given, please understand this is a video and photoshop is not applicable. I have also done these types of images myself, which i can find and post. Just looking for an explanation, since I couldn't find it in the faq's.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2007, 02:32:31 AM »
Although I disagree that this couldn't be photoshopped frame by frame, I believe it is wildly rediculous to claim that this does not occur.  One can easily see this effect in as short a time as an hour (my estimate is that this "video" is over a period of about 1.5 hours).  I think a FE argument is that Polaris is straight above the north pole about 3100 miles, and the stars are rotating around it (or a point very close to it) once a day. 

That being said, I also believe it is wildly rediculous to deny that the same thing (the whole sky, not just the southern cross) happens in the southern hemisphere near the Southern Cross.  This really cannot be explained from a FE perspective.  No matter how hard they try.

Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2007, 04:11:18 AM »
Yep, the night sky is pretty much undeniably the undoing of the FE model.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2007, 04:22:36 AM »
That video (although not even 3D rendered - seems like a flash animation/compilation) is clearly faked.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2007, 05:13:35 AM »
That video (although not even 3D rendered - seems like a flash animation/compilation) is clearly faked.
Do tell...

Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2007, 05:21:37 AM »
That video (although not even 3D rendered - seems like a flash animation/compilation) is clearly faked.

SIGH.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2007, 08:31:42 AM »
It's a GIF. Meaning all you have to do is take a few frames apart (or make them up altogether), and go into a GIF-maker (there's free torrents on the interweb that you can find). Doesn't prove anything. Granted the stars do present a challenge to the flat Earth theory (see Skeptical Scientist's avatar), but this is not one of the proofs that does.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2007, 08:38:53 AM »
Please understand I am still making a decision based on both side arguments. I however didn't see this in the faq. In case the anwer 'photoshop' is given, please understand this is a video and photoshop is not applicable. I have also done these types of images myself, which i can find and post. Just looking for an explanation, since I couldn't find it in the faq's.
That is a .gif image, not a video. ::)

And if it was a video, it could be edited with any video editing programs, many of which have filters that are similar to the ones in Photoshop/ImageReady.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 08:45:31 AM by Masterchief2219 »

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Ambassadork

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2007, 08:53:35 AM »
Pedantic much? It's a fecking gif of a video. Yes, it could be faked. But just about anyone with a camera and a couple of hours to spare can achieve similar results, so what's the point faking it?

What I would like to know is how FE hypothesis can account for the stars rotating in opposing directions north and south of the equator.

Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2007, 08:54:06 AM »
so, in other words, you all are saying you have never looked at the sky on a clear night for a few hours? or taken your own photos of the sky by the hour? how is this fake? please do explain how the sky could be photoshopped.

here is something to try:

- Take a camera, any camera as long as it can be put on a tripod
- take a photo ever hour or half hour, doesnt matter
- and look at them all in sequential order.

that is essentially the same as what the topic author posted, just in a video form.

now again, how is this fake?

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2007, 09:06:22 AM »
If it could be faked it must be faked, apparently.

Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2007, 09:08:50 AM »
If it could be faked it must be faked, apparently.

If it can dis-prove the FE "theory", than it must be fake. I think that is the logic here on this forum anyways.

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Kom Incense

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2007, 10:12:03 AM »
Please, the "it's a fake flash animation" answer doesn't cut it. I only posted the gif because I could embed it. I can also provide an avi, mov or mpeg. If you don't understand the difference between an animated gif and a mov file, you are not qualified to answer this question, nor any question regarding fe theory IMO.

I need an intelligent answer by one of the more thoughtful fe'rs around here. I work in the effects industry, and to create a fake of this image would be, well let's just say, industrial light and magic difficult. The accuracy in which the stars spin outward from the center, the lightning on the rock faces, the subtlety of exposure differences between frames, all while making it look real...

Any thoughtful scientific answer is welcome, so I can continue making my decision on fe/re debate.

here is another link to a film called Baraka, filled with this type of footage. BTW, this film was shot before computer effects could create this.



star footage is just over 1 mintue into it, and continutes to the end.

thank you in adance.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 10:19:44 AM by Kom Incense »
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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2007, 10:31:43 AM »
That looks like it is centred on Polaris. The stars on a flat earth could easily spin around overhead (or the earth beneath) thus have a celestial north pole. It only becomes tricky when you take into account the existance celestial south pole.

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Dioptimus Drime

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2007, 10:34:22 AM »
Please, the "it's a fake flash animation" answer doesn't cut it. I only posted the gif because I could embed it. I can also provide an avi, mov or mpeg. If you don't understand the difference between an animated gif and a mov file, you are not qualified to answer this question, nor any question regarding fe theory IMO.
You can still fake movies. It's not hard. Star Wars did it back in the seventies (Star Trek as well). Whoop-dee-doo.

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I need an intelligent answer by one of the more thoughtful fe'rs around here. I work in the effects industry, and to create a fake of this image would be, well let's just say, industrial light and magic difficult. The accuracy in which the stars spin outward from the center, the lightning on the rock faces, the subtlety of exposure differences between frames, all while making it look real...
It wouldn't be that difficult, I assure you. I know hobbyists who can do this kind of stuff with ease. And it doesn't look that realistic. And the conspiracy has highly-trained experts. You see how much you have going against you here?

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here is another link to a film called Baraka, filled with this type of footage. BTW, this film was shot before computer effects could create this.
Supposedly.

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star footage is just over 1 mintue into it, and continutes to the end.
This is far more credible, but which pole is it centered at? And how do you know that it is? Couldn't that just as easily have been in the northern hemisphere?

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2007, 10:46:05 AM »
this is not photoshopped

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2007, 10:58:23 AM »
Please, the "it's a fake flash animation" answer doesn't cut it. I only posted the gif because I could embed it. I can also provide an avi, mov or mpeg. If you don't understand the difference between an animated gif and a mov file, you are not qualified to answer this question, nor any question regarding fe theory IMO.
Like I said, movies can be edited just as easily as images.

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I need an intelligent answer by one of the more thoughtful fe'rs around here. I work in the effects industry, and to create a fake of this image would be, well let's just say, industrial light and magic difficult. The accuracy in which the stars spin outward from the center, the lightning on the rock faces, the subtlety of exposure differences between frames, all while making it look real...
You obviously don't work in the effects industry, because you have no idea what you are talking about.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2007, 11:09:49 AM by Masterchief2219 »

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2007, 11:07:44 AM »
Where in the United States is the sky even that clear?
That is where I want to live. :)
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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2007, 11:14:57 AM »
Where in the United States is the sky even that clear?
That is where I want to live. :)
I know. There are probably 20 stars visible at night here. :D

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2007, 11:26:28 AM »
Where in the United States is the sky even that clear?
That is where I want to live. :)
I know. There are probably 20 stars visible at night here. :D

I can see what I believe to be Orion's belt, or whoever's belt, and that is it. Oh, plus a few airplanes.
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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2007, 11:27:03 AM »
Plus a few stratellites.
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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2007, 01:22:18 PM »
Don't be silly, everyone knows that satelites are fake. They disprove FE and if it can disprove FE it must be fake and a lie from the gov't.
I'm so tempted to put a scratch and sniff at the bottom of a pool and see what you do...

Avert your eyes, this is too awesome for them...

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Rick_James

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2007, 04:00:47 PM »
Please, the "it's a fake flash animation" answer doesn't cut it. I only posted the gif because I could embed it. I can also provide an avi, mov or mpeg. If you don't understand the difference between an animated gif and a mov file, you are not qualified to answer this question, nor any question regarding fe theory IMO.

I need an intelligent answer by one of the more thoughtful fe'rs around here. I work in the effects industry, and to create a fake of this image would be, well let's just say, industrial light and magic difficult. The accuracy in which the stars spin outward from the center, the lightning on the rock faces, the subtlety of exposure differences between frames, all while making it look real...

Any thoughtful scientific answer is welcome, so I can continue making my decision on fe/re debate.

here is another link to a film called Baraka, filled with this type of footage. BTW, this film was shot before computer effects could create this.



star footage is just over 1 mintue into it, and continutes to the end.

thank you in adance.


Videos are as easily faked as gif's, and as such prove nothing.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2007, 04:01:34 PM »
Please, the "it's a fake flash animation" answer doesn't cut it. I only posted the gif because I could embed it. I can also provide an avi, mov or mpeg. If you don't understand the difference between an animated gif and a mov file, you are not qualified to answer this question, nor any question regarding fe theory IMO.

I need an intelligent answer by one of the more thoughtful fe'rs around here. I work in the effects industry, and to create a fake of this image would be, well let's just say, industrial light and magic difficult. The accuracy in which the stars spin outward from the center, the lightning on the rock faces, the subtlety of exposure differences between frames, all while making it look real...

Any thoughtful scientific answer is welcome, so I can continue making my decision on fe/re debate.

here is another link to a film called Baraka, filled with this type of footage. BTW, this film was shot before computer effects could create this.



star footage is just over 1 mintue into it, and continutes to the end.

thank you in adance.

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Videos are as easily faked as gif's, and as such prove nothing.
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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2007, 04:08:32 PM »
I love how everyone crys fake and sticks to that even when it has been explained exactly how one could make their own animation at home using very cheap and basic equipment. Okay so the GIF is a fake, so what? You could make your own and prove that the stars don't do that if you think it is. What a complete and utter bunch of fallacious bollocks the FE response to this thread is.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2007, 04:42:14 PM »
I love how everyone crys fake and sticks to that even when it has been explained exactly how one could make their own animation at home using very cheap and basic equipment. Okay so the GIF is a fake, so what? You could make your own and prove that the stars don't do that if you think it is. What a complete and utter bunch of fallacious bollocks the FE response to this thread is.

It is stated on the site that photos/videos are inadmissable. People should be aware of that (because of COURSE everyone reads the FAQ before posting) before they make their posts, so if they choose to attempt to submit photos or video as evidence regardless, we can't be held responsible.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2007, 04:45:44 PM »
Well Tom is constantly telling people to read that stupid sacred script and carry out it's experiments. You could look at this thread in a different way. Someone is asking you to carry out an experiment. An experiment simpler than finding a canal and floating boats down it whilst standing in the water with a telescope 6 inches above water level....

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2007, 04:52:31 PM »
Well Tom is constantly telling people to read that stupid sacred script and carry out it's experiments. You could look at this thread in a different way. Someone is asking you to carry out an experiment. An experiment simpler than finding a canal and floating boats down it whilst standing in the water with a telescope 6 inches above water level....

And that's fine! As long as they aren't expecting any photos to be received as evidence.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2007, 09:31:56 PM »
Like I said, I've taken star trails on my own. Anybody can do it. Go into the desert or another dark territory, set up a film camera with a tripod, do a 3-8 hour exposure, develop it yourself (so there will be no question that it is your photo), and you'll see the same thing.

To do a video, you can take several hours of footage and speed it up. For instance, an hour of footage, or one tape, could be sped up to 10 seconds.

I would do this for you, but since I am not allowed to admit photo or video evidence, I will leave it up to you.

Regardless, I've still heard no explanation.  Ned Kelly stated the stars on a flat earth could spin overhead, however these are clearly on the horizon, not overhead.

Please understand I am still trying to make a decision here. If there is no explanation other than deviation or the subject, I might be inclined to go with the round earth theory. BTW it should be called spherical earth, because the FE theory is still a round model.
Nah.

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Re: Didn't see in the FAQ - not 56k friendly
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2007, 09:39:20 PM »
Holy fucking shit. You really are pulling at strings, aren't you? Films are put together with frames of pictures. You've seen it on shitty reality shows with sunsets and sunrises. What's the difference between this and putting it in wmv form, and the fact that he didn't have to add the unexplained flash in the background?

Please walk outside and take your own pictures and then post it.
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