Do you believe in just about evry astronomical definition, law, or anythign evr?

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lucky

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Engineer please shed some light on my question... i am dying for an answer....

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Solace

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

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ChaosRequiem

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It also says this:

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?

A:  This argument is a non sequitur.  You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?"  Snakes are not dogs or cats.  The Earth is not a star or the moon.  It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

Pure BS, and nothing else, as that defies relativity completely, and your acceleration model requires it.

Fail.

Please try again.
Monochrome morality, almost as much a misnomer as the ridiculous prejudices that it is oft based.

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lucky

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REALLY?


for your information solace, i have read the FAQ.

and no where does it explain why g varies at differnet points of the earth.

So would you like to be so kind and explain to me why?


No? i didn't think so..


Where there does it say altitude?

Yes solace..... VERY IMPRESSIVE READING SKILLS YOU HAVE!!!        

Because g does not only vary with altitude but your position on earth, due to the fact that the world is roughly a sphere but flattened at the poles. SO if you are closer to the centre of the earth i.e. at the poles as opposed to the equator you weight more.

As i have asked now, for what? the 4th time is it?

EXPLAIN

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sokarul

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.
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Solace

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REALLY?


for your information solace, i have read the FAQ.

and no where does it explain why g varies at differnet points of the earth.

So would you like to be so kind and explain to me why?


No? i didn't think so..


Where there does it say altitude?

Yes solace..... VERY IMPRESSIVE READING SKILLS YOU HAVE!!!       

Because g does not only vary with altitude but your position on earth, due to the fact that the world is roughly a sphere but flattened at the poles. SO if you are closer to the centre of the earth i.e. at the poles as opposed to the equator you weight more.

As i have asked now, for what? the 4th time is it?

EXPLAIN

Ill quote you from your post, above that.
I am sorry where is the answer to my question? I don't see it?

Can you please tell me why g on earth, value around 9.81 varies depending upon height?

WHERE HERE HAS THIS BEEN ANSWERED?

NOT ONLY THIS BUT LIKE A HUNDRED OTHER QUESTIONS YOU REFUSE TO ANSWER?

I WONDER WHY?

I increased the size to show you where you DID include height in your question.  :'(
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 06:51:52 AM by Solace »

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ChaosRequiem

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I'd still like you to answer what I asked.
Monochrome morality, almost as much a misnomer as the ridiculous prejudices that it is oft based.

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Solace

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.
May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.

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ChaosRequiem

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A lot of things completely fall apart, failing gravity. Independently observed orbital systems, black holes, among others.
Monochrome morality, almost as much a misnomer as the ridiculous prejudices that it is oft based.

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lucky

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Yeh, your height above the centre of the earth is relativly less if you are at the poles then at the equator.

Stars don't explain that. Because i don't think that there are a large concetration of stars directly above the north pole and your so called "icewall" that would generate this force acting against your acceleration upwards...

Even in your supposed model you have the sun no where near the ice wall or the northpole


HOWEVER the earth being spherical does explain this phenomeneom.


Please Solace do go on...

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lucky

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.



WHAT? A CONTRADICTION?

FE-ers don't believe in gravity... ERR in your FAQ gravity is mentioned several times.... ESPECIALLY when the stars gravitational pull makes you lighter if you are "higher" up...

Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.



WHAT? A CONTRADICTION?

FE-ers don't believe in gravity... ERR in your FAQ gravity is mentioned several times.... ESPECIALLY when the stars gravitational pull makes you lighter if you are "higher" up...


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Solace

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.



WHAT? A CONTRADICTION?

FE-ers don't believe in gravity... ERR in your FAQ gravity is mentioned several times.... ESPECIALLY when the stars gravitational pull makes you lighter if you are "higher" up...

Next line in the FAQ, you supposedly read, which, Chaos quoted. =D
My arguement with you was simply your answer was in the FAQ. You said it wasn't. I Proved you wrong. You tried to dodge the fact it's in there. I proved you wrong again. Yes, in the FE model, supposedly earth doesnt have gravity. Some acceleration.
*shrug*

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lucky

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.



WHAT? A CONTRADICTION?

FE-ers don't believe in gravity... ERR in your FAQ gravity is mentioned several times.... ESPECIALLY when the stars gravitational pull makes you lighter if you are "higher" up...

Next line in the FAQ, you supposedly read, which, Chaos quoted. =D
My arguement with you was simply your answer was in the FAQ. You said it wasn't. I Proved you wrong. You tried to dodge the fact it's in there. I proved you wrong again. Yes, in the FE model, supposedly earth doesnt have gravity. Some acceleration.
*shrug*



WRONG AS USUAL SOLACE

you said that FE-ers don't believe in gravity, full stop. WHICH IS WRONG. Yes you were wrong. I did read in the FAQ the FE-ers theory about the earth accelerating upwards, maybe you didn't?

And if you had the mental capaity to understnd my question that is clearly NOT explained indepth enough in the FAQ, you would appreciate that the value of g is more at the north pole and the south pole. WHICH IS NOT EXPLAINED IN THE FAQ. N00B.

Now prove me wrong.
 
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 07:37:05 AM by lucky »

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Solace

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Wow Solace.... suddenly your not so loud now are you?

"Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The moon and stars have a slight gravitational pull."


Ouch. Guess I don't need to be loud to be right, Do I?
Your reading skills impress me. No, really, they do.

The real answer is due to the graitational constant equation.
Fgravity=GMaMb/r^2. 
Gravity on MT Everest is less because the radius is bigger.  Thats why you weigh less not because the stars which are 1000's of lightyears away.

FE model doesnt have "Gravity". Which makes that formula sort of pointless.May be good to note the Model your arguing against has the stars alot, alot closer then 1000's of lightyears. theres probably a thread detailing that better elsewhere.



WHAT? A CONTRADICTION?

FE-ers don't believe in gravity... ERR in your FAQ gravity is mentioned several times.... ESPECIALLY when the stars gravitational pull makes you lighter if you are "higher" up...

Next line in the FAQ, you supposedly read, which, Chaos quoted. =D
My arguement with you was simply your answer was in the FAQ. You said it wasn't. I Proved you wrong. You tried to dodge the fact it's in there. I proved you wrong again. Yes, in the FE model, supposedly earth doesnt have gravity. Some acceleration.
*shrug*



WRONG AS USUAL SOLACE

you said that FE-ers don't believe in gravity, full stop. WHICH IS WRONG. Yes you were wrong. I did read in the FAQ the FE-ers theory about the earth accelerating upwards, maybe you didn't?

And if you had the mental capaity to understnd my question that is clearly NOT explained indepth enough in the FAQ, you would appreciate that the value of g is more at the north pole and the south pole. WHICH IS NOT EXPLAINED IN THE FAQ. N00B.

Now prove me wrong.
 

I've pretty much had my fun playing with you in this thread, but since you seem so serious on the matter. ill go one more lil' step.

Your question:
Can you please tell me why g on earth, value around 9.81 varies depending upon height?

FE Answer:
The Moon and the Stars have a slight gravitational pull.

What does this mean? Simple. that ~9.81 number changes, depending on height. So. Lets put your question, and rephrase it as a sentence with the FE answer

the value of "g" on earth, varies depending on height due to a slight gravitational pull from the stars and the moon.

Seems easy enough. And its covered in the FAQ!
Yes. I wasn't specific enough in an answer to say that FE-ers don't believe in gravity on Earth. That's nice. Doesn't change the fact that doesn't in anyway affect your answer.

By the way, degenerating to personal insults is usually the first way to show you're losing an arguement. You shouldn't get so worked up over this. Yes, this last line applies to both FEers and REers alike.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 07:53:36 AM by Solace »

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lucky

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I really am sorry solace, i do get a little worked up at times. But it seems you have miss-understood my question.

The value for g varies not only on altitude but your position on earth. For instance the northpole and what you would call the icewall have higher values of g. But if the earth is truely flat, then they value of g should be constant at sea level regardless of location on the earth. But it is not.

Thats what i want to know, and that is not what is explained in the FAQ

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Solace

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It's no problem.

Ill do a few quick searches and see if I can't find you an answer.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 08:11:51 AM by Solace »

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Solace

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got one. Hope this helps Lucky.
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=1372.0
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This link talks about how gravity varies from the poles to the equator. I have never been to either to prove it one way or another, but assuming it is true how does the FE model explain this? The ground cannot be moving upwards at different speeds otherwise there would be great separations of land masses over time.

http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=991


Firstly, one of the factors in variation that your site mentions is tides.  It could be that due to the different mechanism by which tides work on the flat Earth, the effect of tides on perceived gravity is different.  For example, if one half of the disc were wobbling upwards, it would create increased gravity.

Also, it is a touchy subject relying on meausurements made at the so-called poles.  Claims that gravity was measured at the south pole are nonsense in the FE; claims of meausrements taken at the north pole, while plausible, might have been faked.

I think refutations to the FE model really need to involve measurements that people can do without leaving the temperate region of N. America, Europe, or Australia (where most of the members seem to be living).

-Erasmus

So im going to go with a mix of wobble, tides, and conspiracy.

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lucky

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These wobbling tides seem vague at best. But the dofference between the tides and g is that g at a certan place in constant, where as the tides are not.

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Solace

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Looking at the other threads, I'm going to say that the general response  past the wobble and tides is simply "have you gone out and measured this yourself, or taken the advice of people who may, or may not, have been influenced by the conspiracy."

Without thousands of dollars in sensitive equipment and probably a couple hundred in travel costs to effective locations to get meaningful difference in measurements, I'd chalk this one up to the "theres no homegrown experiment to prove this one easily in your own back yard." too.

Can't forget, things like poles don't really exist in the same sense on a flat earth. where along the ice wall would measurements be taken in accordance to south-pole measurements on a round earth?
« Last Edit: February 28, 2007, 08:28:09 AM by Solace »

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sokarul

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Here you go, just one of many sources that shows gravity changing.  An Earthquake can change it apparently.
http://pda.physorg.com/lofi-news-gravity-data-grace_73836406.html

And a SATELLITE picture of it
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Solace

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Satellites don't exist.

So, Fake.

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sokarul

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lol tell that to your internet you are using right now,  And your cell phone in your pocket, and your TV, and your GPS in your 2007 Escalade.   
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Solace

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My internet works on cable lines. I don't even own a Cell-phone. my TV is Cable also. I wish I owned a 2007 Escalade, but sadly I don't, and GPS doesn't require satellites.

Search for pretty much every other post/thread Engineer has responded in. GPS is his favorite argument, i believe

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sokarul

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My internet works on cable lines. I don't even own a Cell-phone. my TV is Cable also. I wish I owned a 2007 Escalade, but sadly I don't, and GPS doesn't require satellites.

Search for pretty much every other post/thread Engineer has responded in. GPS is his favorite argument, i believe

Your ISP uses satellites, as does your TV provider.  The cell phone you don’t use can worth it other countries, you telling me they have wires everywhere?  Someone can tell me data that a satellite collected and then I can go to the spot of the data and get the same results, explain.  I have been arguing with Engineer on GPS, he is losing.  He ignores many questions.  GPS uses satellites.  The satellites in orbit never stray off there known position.  There is no way to get a known position with plays and balloons and all that other stuff.
  NASA is going to launch a shuttle in sometime soon, it has been delayed though.  Go watch it. 
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Solace

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My internet works on cable lines. I don't even own a Cell-phone. my TV is Cable also. I wish I owned a 2007 Escalade, but sadly I don't, and GPS doesn't require satellites.

Search for pretty much every other post/thread Engineer has responded in. GPS is his favorite argument, i believe

 Someone can tell me data that a satellite collected and then I can go to the spot of the data and get the same results, explain.

Ok. Go to the spot of the "data" in that earthquake affects gravity photo, and then come on back with your gravity readings.

i'll wait here.

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sokarul

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I live here in Colorado so I cant.  Heres some more pictures are they all fake?http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Observatory/

And all these from a private company? http://www.spaceimaging.com/gallery/default.htm

How do they take pictures of Area 51 and over countries that hate us? Fly a plane?  Just keep dreaming a plane can fly that high.   
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Solace

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High altitude balloon could.
yes. they're fake.

And, why cant you go to that satellite picture location and take the same readings? or are you just nervous you wont get the same results as displayed in that picture?

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sokarul

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High altitude balloon could.
yes. they're fake.

And, why cant you go to that satellite picture location and take the same readings? or are you just nervous you wont get the same results as displayed in that picture?

I can because I’m in school right now.  Someone else could minus the fact that that picture is from 2004. I can go and compare data of new pictures.  Like those satellite that look for forest fires in places were none is even close too. 
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Solace

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High altitude balloon could.
yes. they're fake.

And, why cant you go to that satellite picture location and take the same readings? or are you just nervous you wont get the same results as displayed in that picture?

I can because I’m in school right now.  Someone else could minus the fact that that picture is from 2004. I can go and compare data of new pictures.  Like those satellite that look for forest fires in places were none is even close too. 

So you can't do what you said you could. 'kay.