Do you believe in just about evry astronomical definition, law, or anythign evr?

See, as I understand it Flat Earthers have a lot of theories explaining the way our universe is devised. This is probably the saddest part of your belief: you're contradicting the most basic laws of physics, making up excuses for giant theoretical flaws, and even disputing fact that came about hundreds of years ago.

First of all, you believe that the Earth is the center of the universe??? How? A guy by the name of Galileo disproved this theory almost 400 years ago! Check out the Copernican Theory of the Universe for the geometric undeniable proof that the Earth is not the center.

Secondly, in your FE model, stars are only a few thousand miles from the Earth? So then I guess that you think suns are half-pluto sized light bulbs that only produce enough energy to power Miami for a day... Wrong. The intense heat from stars being that close to us would immediately destory everything on the planet. Plus, have you ever heard of a supernova? (I know, all government nonsense, right?) If just one star died and it was the farthest star from us in your model the Earth would be engulfed in a wave of heat thousands of degrees above the sun's normal level!

Thirdly, I have heard it stated that you do not believe in gravity. Can this be true? Gravity's precense has been known since the BC era! The reason for gravity is spinning, every atom on Earth has forms of protons, neutrons, and electrons, which all spin. This causes the phenomena of all objects pulling towards each other.
There is alot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_universal_gravitation) of math behind this too... Either way, if you disagree with the basic laws of gravity, you are also in opposition to all of Quantam physics and much of nuclear physical explanation as well.

Fourthly, you have said that all heavenly bodies are observed in two dimensions, and thus are two dimensional bodies. This is further from the truth than fathomable! The reason for depth (the third dimension) appearing in a picture is because of shadow and lighting.
In figure A, you see an image as seen through wash lighting, where depth can be shown with shadows on and casted from the object. In space however, depth cannot be observed, because the surroundings of any celestial body are empty and cannot contain light. Without surrounding light, the body's other sides do not reflect and do not appear to exist.
In either case with this, why would so many three dimensional objects exist on our planet while everything else is flat and 2D?

Back to gravity. Your explanation for the absense of gravity is that all bodies in the universe are accelerating upward at 9.8m/s/s. I do understand where your logic was when you formulated this explanation, but it is a completely impossible theory.
When you made this upward acceleration explanation you were basing it off of the current laws of physics.
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For example, if a man is standing on a platform, and then the platform is sent into the sky, the man will be experience the sensation of becoming heavier due to the verticle air pressure rising. The vertical air pressure (air pressure above and below him, in this case above) is only rising because the air above him is sitting still while he rushes through it.. This combination of air pressure and gravity push and pull at the man so he wiil feel a downward attraction.
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This is the logic formulated in your 'theory'. In your theory, however, everything is moving, so no downward attraction will be experienced since nothing is sitting to push down on objects. Because of this your theory is null. Also: I don't know where you pulled your numbers from. You said all objects are accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s. Why did you use this number, since it was formulated in coherance with the G-Force Scale (1G).

This is actually a small list of fundamental flaws I found in your beliefs. I also find it very, very odd that you call each other brothers... that's quite cultish of you...

Please! Respond with retorts, comments, support, opposition, idc, but dont leave questions unanswered. And if you find that people are proving you wrong...start to try to believe and let go of what your holding on to so hard...

Alex

First of all, you believe that the Earth is the center of the universe??? How? A guy by the name of Galileo disproved this theory almost 400 years ago! Check out the Copernican Theory of the Universe for the geometric undeniable proof that the Earth is not the center.

you are ignorant. everyone knows the sun is center of the galaxy, NOT UNIVERSE. get a grip.

Did somebody say universe? Cause I think I heard somebody say universe...

UNIVERSE, UNIVERSE, UNIVERSE!

The reason for gravity is spinning, every atom on Earth has forms of protons, neutrons, and electrons, which all spin. This causes the phenomena of all objects pulling towards each other.
There is alot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_universal_gravitation) of math behind this too.

What?  Show me some math that claims this.

For example, if a man is standing on a platform, and then the platform is sent into the sky, the man will be experience the sensation of becoming heavier due to the verticle air pressure rising.

No, he will feel heavier due to acceleration of the platform.

This is the logic formulated in your 'theory'. In your theory, however, everything is moving, so no downward attraction will be experienced since nothing is sitting to push down on objects. Because of this your theory is null.

Your analogy is null.

Also: I don't know where you pulled your numbers from. You said all objects are accelerating at 9.8 m/s/s. Why did you use this number, since it was formulated in coherance with the G-Force Scale (1G).

Observation of the acceleration of objects not in contact with the earth.

What?  Show me some math that claims this.

Read up on wikipedia, thats just one page, some are filled with probably 20 pages of math...

No, he will feel heavier due to acceleration of the platform.

Once again you are wrong. The reason that he feels heavier is because air pushing down on him is now an extra variable to gravity pulling down on him. In space, for example, no matter how much you accelerate or how fast you move you will not feel the presence of pressure because there are no forces acting on your body.

Your analogy is null.

No it's not. And I'm telling you now that you are wrong bout that...

Observation of the acceleration of objects not in contact with the earth.

Show me these observations... cause I know its not some big coincidence that your numbers in your acceleration theory just happen to look as if they're borrowed from laws of gravity..

Alex

Quote from: TheEngineer on February 24, 2007, 10:08:26 PM

What?  Show me some math that claims this.

Read up on wikipedia, thats just one page, some are filled with probably 20 pages of math...

The reason for gravity is due to centripetal force? Please show me where it says this.

In space, for example, no matter how much you accelerate or how fast you move you will not feel the presence of pressure because there are no forces acting on your body.

If you are accelerating, you are experiencing a force. This is what makes you feel heavier, not air resistance.

Show me these observations... cause I know its not some big coincidence that your numbers in your acceleration theory just happen to look as if they're borrowed from laws of gravity..

Let go of a pen.  There you go, direct evidence of acceleration.

Quote from: Alegoo92 on February 25, 2007, 03:10:51 PM

In space, for example, no matter how much you accelerate or how fast you move you will not feel the presence of pressure because there are no forces acting on your body.

If you are accelerating, you are experiencing a force. This is what makes you feel heavier, not air resistance.

I actually think he's talking about air pressure, that is a bit shaky (shake - shaky, did i get that right?), but i still think that we would feel air pressure if the earth pushed us into the air atop of us.

Let go of a pen.  There you go, direct evidence of acceleration.

or gravity

There's evidence of acceleration, but what he's saying is, how did you guys come up with the number 9.8.

i can see where it came from, gravity accelerates objects at 9.8m/s² (1G), the earth supposedly accelerates upward that fast.

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Let go of a pen.  There you go, direct evidence of acceleration.

or gravity

Gravity is acceleration.

There's evidence of acceleration, but what he's saying is, how did you guys come up with the number 9.8.

I measured it in a laboratory of the college I'm attending. And I'm not bullshiting you.

There's evidence of acceleration, but what he's saying is, how did you guys come up with the number 9.8.

a = 2d/t^2.  Simple equations of motion.  Drop an object from a known height, measure the time it takes to traverse that distance, plug in the numbers, and poof! there's your acceleration.

gravity and acceleration are related, but not the same.  if a car is accelerating horizontally, is gravity causing it to accelerate?  nope.  gravity only accelerates thing when they arent touching the ground.

gravity and acceleration are related, but not the same.  if a car is accelerating horizontally, is gravity causing it to accelerate?  nope.  gravity only accelerates thing when they arent touching the ground.

Due to relativity, it is 'gravity' causing you to accelerate, as every acceleration, is 'gravity'.

oh, and how come no FE'ers have commented on the diagram of the light and sphere?

gravity and acceleration are related, but not the same.  if a car is accelerating horizontally, is gravity causing it to accelerate?  nope.  gravity only accelerates thing when they arent touching the ground.

You are seriously not normal!

Basic logic syllogisms - Every puddle is a dog, but not every dog is a puddle.

OR

Every gravity is acceleration, but not every acceleration is gravity.

It's simple.

When I mentioned gravity and the flaw of your acceleration theory, is that your theory said we accelerate upwards at 9.8m/s/s.

You said up because on Earth (due to gravity), when you jump up, you come down.

You said 9.8 m/s/s because that is the power of 1G.

You said acceleration because 1G is 9.8m/s/s, which is accelerating.

BUT:... Where your theory is flawed is that in space, again, no matter how fast you accelerate you experience only weighlessness and do not feel any type of pressure. You thought that when the earth/everything else moves up fast that we will experience verticle pressure and be pushed down... but you were wrong. In a weightless environment such as space, no matter how fast earth moves, nothing is pushing down on earth or its inhabitants to make them feel the phenomena of gravity. Earth's gravitational pull is caused by earth's spinning. This is why on earth no matter which direction you are facing (north or south pole, china or america), you are always drawn back to ground.

Plus im pretty sure gravity wasnt the only thing i mentioned.

Quote from: Caturday on February 25, 2007, 03:43:04 PM

gravity and acceleration are related, but not the same.  if a car is accelerating horizontally, is gravity causing it to accelerate?  nope.  gravity only accelerates thing when they arent touching the ground.

You are seriously not normal!

Basic logic syllogisms - Every puddle is a dog, but not every dog is a puddle.

OR

Every gravity is acceleration, but not every acceleration is gravity.

It's simple.

Btw... poodles? not puddles, thats water...

When I mentioned gravity and the flaw of your acceleration theory, is that your theory said we accelerate upwards at 9.8m/s/s.

You said up because on Earth (due to gravity), when you jump up, you come down.

You said 9.8 m/s/s because that is the power of 1G.

You said acceleration because 1G is 9.8m/s/s, which is accelerating.

Um, yes.

BUT:... Where your theory is flawed is that in space, again, no matter how fast you accelerate you experience only weighlessness and do not feel any type of pressure.

You feel a force, as you are accelerating.  If you were to stop accelerating, you would feel 'weightless'.

You thought that when the earth/everything else moves up fast that we will experience verticle pressure and be pushed down... but you were wrong. In a weightless environment such as space, no matter how fast earth moves, nothing is pushing down on earth or its inhabitants to make them feel the phenomena of gravity.

That's just dumb.

Earth's gravitational pull is caused by earth's spinning. This is why on earth no matter which direction you are facing (north or south pole, china or america), you are always drawn back to ground.

I'm pretty sure that centripetal force acts opposite 'gravity', so no, that is not why you are drawn back to the ground.

If this was true, wouldn't anything that fly have to continually have to force itself from the gound (birds continually flapping, planes with thusters on the bottom)? I don't know any of this shit, just throw stuff at me and I'll learn.

If this was true, wouldn't anything that fly have to continually have to force itself from the gound (birds continually flapping, planes with thusters on the bottom)? I don't know any of this shit, just throw stuff at me and I'll learn.

Yes, it is why they have wings.

When I mentioned gravity and the flaw of your acceleration theory, is that your theory said we accelerate upwards at 9.8m/s/s.

You said up because on Earth (due to gravity), when you jump up, you come down.

You said 9.8 m/s/s because that is the power of 1G.

You said acceleration because 1G is 9.8m/s/s, which is accelerating.

BUT:... Where your theory is flawed is that in space, again, no matter how fast you accelerate you experience only weighlessness and do not feel any type of pressure. You thought that when the earth/everything else moves up fast that we will experience verticle pressure and be pushed down... but you were wrong. In a weightless environment such as space, no matter how fast earth moves, nothing is pushing down on earth or its inhabitants to make them feel the phenomena of gravity. Earth's gravitational pull is caused by earth's spinning. This is why on earth no matter which direction you are facing (north or south pole, china or america), you are always drawn back to ground.

Plus im pretty sure gravity wasnt the only thing i mentioned.

First things first, thanks for the heads up on the poodle matter XD , a hones mistake .

Secondly, gravitation is caused by the gravitational force, Fg = G* (m1*m2)/(r^2), G being the gravitational constant, gravitational force exists between every two objects in space, but, as you can see from the formula, it's decaying rapidly with the distance.

That's why you are currently experiencing Mars gravity, but it's a force of some 0.00001 N .

The spinning has nothing to do with gravity, gravity acts as a centripetal force when we are talking about moving in orbit, because moving in orbit is moving on a circle pattern, and to do that you need a centripetal force.

When an object accelerates, it causes an effect similar to gravity, (On earth the formula for gravity is F = m*g, whilst the formula for acceleration is F = m*a, the first formula is derived from the gravitational force formula explained above) for instance, an astronaut is sitting in his chair, and the shuttle is not moving, the astronaut is floating and feeling no "gravity" (he is feeling gravity, but it's a force of some 10^-56 N, therefore neglect able), but when the shuttle starts to accelerate (not to move, it has to accelerate), the astronaut is pushed back into his chair, an effect similar to gravity.

I hope this explains a few things .

Quote from: Alegoo92 on February 25, 2007, 04:59:51 PM

When I mentioned gravity and the flaw of your acceleration theory, is that your theory said we accelerate upwards at 9.8m/s/s.

You said up because on Earth (due to gravity), when you jump up, you come down.

You said 9.8 m/s/s because that is the power of 1G.

You said acceleration because 1G is 9.8m/s/s, which is accelerating.

Um, yes.

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BUT:... Where your theory is flawed is that in space, again, no matter how fast you accelerate you experience only weighlessness and do not feel any type of pressure.

You feel a force, as you are accelerating.  If you were to stop accelerating, you would feel 'weightless'.

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You thought that when the earth/everything else moves up fast that we will experience verticle pressure and be pushed down... but you were wrong. In a weightless environment such as space, no matter how fast earth moves, nothing is pushing down on earth or its inhabitants to make them feel the phenomena of gravity.

That's just dumb.

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Earth's gravitational pull is caused by earth's spinning. This is why on earth no matter which direction you are facing (north or south pole, china or america), you are always drawn back to ground.

I'm pretty sure that centripetal force acts opposite 'gravity', so no, that is not why you are drawn back to the ground.

I'm done arguing you about acceleration in a weightless environment. You are wrong. Okay? Like I've said, an object can move the speed of light just until atoms start separating , if its in a weightless environment it will never feel an opposing force. Plus you havent cleared up wats making it accelerate... anyway.. Any force, be it gravitational, static or magnetic, can act as a centripetal force. Centripetal force in itself is not why objects are drawn back to earth... its gravity acting as one. Centripetal forces do not oppose gravity, than with your logic we would all drift off into space.

You are wrong. Get over it. The Earth is round.

I'm done arguing you about acceleration in a weightless environment. You are wrong. Okay?

Let me ask a simple question:  Do you know what Newton's second law states?

Like I've said, an object can move the speed of light just until atoms start separating , 

Well, Einstein says you are an idiot.

Centripetal forces do not oppose gravity, than with your logic we would all drift off into space.

What direction does centripetal force act?

Quote from: Alegoo92 on February 26, 2007, 01:16:55 PM

I'm done arguing you about acceleration in a weightless environment. You are wrong. Okay?

Let me ask a simple question:  Do you know what Newton's second law states?

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Like I've said, an object can move the speed of light just until atoms start separating , 

Well, Einstein says you are an idiot.

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Centripetal forces do not oppose gravity, than with your logic we would all drift off into space.

What direction does centripetal force act?

It's a normal on the vector of velocity, and it's direction is away from the moving object. Unfortunatly, centripetal force has the same direction as gravity, centrifugal has the opposite direction.

I see what I did there.

um.. still no FEer gonna say anything about the diagram of the light and sphere?  how it proves day and night.

I don't believe in a Flat Earth but seriously this guy is stupid. Or joking. Must be one or the other.

Like I've said, an object can move the speed of light just until atoms start separating , if its in a weightless environment it will never feel an opposing force.

You are wrong. Get over it. The Earth is round.

You are correct, an object can move at any constant velocity and not feel any force, but if any acceleration occurs then it's environment is no longer weightless.  You seem to be thinking that gravity is the only thing that can cause weight, and you are wrong.

Quote from: TheEngineer on February 25, 2007, 05:09:50 PM

Quote from: Alegoo92 on February 25, 2007, 04:59:51 PM

When I mentioned gravity and the flaw of your acceleration theory, is that your theory said we accelerate upwards at 9.8m/s/s.

You said up because on Earth (due to gravity), when you jump up, you come down.

You said 9.8 m/s/s because that is the power of 1G.

You said acceleration because 1G is 9.8m/s/s, which is accelerating.

Um, yes.

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BUT:... Where your theory is flawed is that in space, again, no matter how fast you accelerate you experience only weighlessness and do not feel any type of pressure.

You feel a force, as you are accelerating.  If you were to stop accelerating, you would feel 'weightless'.

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You thought that when the earth/everything else moves up fast that we will experience verticle pressure and be pushed down... but you were wrong. In a weightless environment such as space, no matter how fast earth moves, nothing is pushing down on earth or its inhabitants to make them feel the phenomena of gravity.

That's just dumb.

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Earth's gravitational pull is caused by earth's spinning. This is why on earth no matter which direction you are facing (north or south pole, china or america), you are always drawn back to ground.

I'm pretty sure that centripetal force acts opposite 'gravity', so no, that is not why you are drawn back to the ground.

I'm done arguing you about acceleration in a weightless environment. You are wrong. Okay? Like I've said, an object can move the speed of light just until atoms start separating , if its in a weightless environment it will never feel an opposing force. Plus you havent cleared up wats making it accelerate... anyway.. Any force, be it gravitational, static or magnetic, can act as a centripetal force. Centripetal force in itself is not why objects are drawn back to earth... its gravity acting as one. Centripetal forces do not oppose gravity, than with your logic we would all drift off into space.

You are wrong. Get over it. The Earth is round.

Please tell me what you think the following things are...

...Gravity;
Weight;
Weightlessness;
Acceleration;
Centripetal force...

...and maybe I can start trying to explain a few things to you. Bear in mind I am a REer and I find your knowledge of phsyics akin to that of a small dog.