Not possible on a flat earth

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Not possible on a flat earth
« on: February 19, 2007, 03:04:57 PM »
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When the Sun is directly overhead in any place, it is NOT directly
overhead at the same time in any place a few hundred miles away:

       Sun's rays are parallel because the Sun is very far away.

     |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
     |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
     |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
     V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V   V


                     this stick    ||
                     casts no      ||
                      shadow       ||                  this stick
                                   ||                  casts a shadow
                                .       .
                    .                              .            //
              .                                         .      //.
           .                                               . //...
                                                            //....
         .                     EARTH                          ....
                                                               ...


If you were to put a stick in the ground sticking straight up at noon
in New York City, then telephone a friend in Chicago to ask him to
also put a stick in the ground sticking straight up, he would see a
shadow, and you would not.  This is hard to explain unless ``straight
up'' (away from the Earth's surface) points in different directions
when you are at different places on the Earth's surface.  That is, the
Earth is not flat.

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2007, 03:07:04 PM »
Oh and yes, i am aware of the FAQ

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Tom Bishop

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2007, 03:08:57 PM »
It's a good thing the Flat Earth sun is a small sphere of omni-directional light, then.

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2007, 03:09:23 PM »
my sig tom.  read my sig.
1. Shut up Tom, you're an idiot.

2. If Wolfwood told you to read his signature, please add 1 point to his dumbass count.

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2007, 03:13:08 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
It's a good thing the Flat Earth sun is a small sphere of omni-directional light, then.


too small and too close to get same effect

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2007, 03:20:48 PM »
you could just simply say the earth is round because it may be daylight here, but on the other side of the planet, it is dark. DURURURURURUUUURURUR

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Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2007, 03:23:38 PM »
I do believe you answered yourself in your original post. When the sun is hovering over the top of New York City, it is only conclusive that it is NOT hovering over the top of Chicago.


~D-Draw

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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2007, 03:27:44 PM »
Quote from: "DiegoDraw"
I do believe you answered yourself in your original post. When the sun is hovering over the top of New York City, it is only conclusive that it is NOT hovering over the top of Chicago.
~D-Draw


I believe that's the whole point. A small sun that's rather close to the earth would have a very extreme change in the length of shadows...

Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2007, 03:30:19 PM »
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Quote from: "DiegoDraw"
I do believe you answered yourself in your original post. When the sun is hovering over the top of New York City, it is only conclusive that it is NOT hovering over the top of Chicago.
~D-Draw


I believe that's the whole point. A small sun that's rather close to the earth would have a very extreme change in the length of shadows...



Ding ding ding

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Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2007, 03:45:01 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
It's a good thing the Flat Earth sun is a small sphere of omni-directional light, then.


I have a question.

Is this how the scientific method goes for all you people:

Step 1: Find a preferable conclusion you want to reach
Step 2: Look for observation and evidence to support that claim
Step 3: If there is none, make something up

Also, if you lived in the same universe as everyone else here, you would know that the sun DOES emit omni-directional light - it's a frickin sphere!

What TG is saying is that given the distance of the sun to the earth, the rays are practically all parallel.
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Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 06:11:20 PM »
It's a good thing the Flat Earth sun is a small sphere of omni-directional light, then.

Oh really?
From the FAQ:

Q: "What about time zones?"

A: The sun is a spotlight which shines light on a concentrated area, so not everywhere on Earth will be lit at once. Times zones exist so that everyone's clock will be at 12:00 around the time the sun is approximately directly overhead.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Tom has a BS in BS.

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Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2007, 06:22:47 PM »
I believe that's the whole point. A small sun that's rather close to the earth would have a very extreme change in the length of shadows...

And a round Earth does not have an extreme change in the length of shadows throughout the day? 

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sneamia2

Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2007, 06:25:35 PM »
Well obviously its not going to be to the same degree... and simple trig can show you how much of a change to expect, given the distances of the RE and FE suns...

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EvilToothpaste

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Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2007, 06:46:37 PM »
Yes, trig can show the differences between the two models.  Care to conduct an experiment?

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Ammo

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Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2007, 07:06:56 PM »
Yes, trig can show the differences between the two models.  Care to conduct an experiment?

Not like FEers have EVER done similar math to support their claim and then showed us REers.  If they did, I would like to see where it was published.  Because that is what real scientists do.  They publish their work  so other scientists can look at it and do the experiments for themselves.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."

Tom has a BS in BS.

Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2007, 08:13:11 PM »
Problem is, I wouldn't be surprised if most FE Scientists aren't the laughing stock of the Scientific community... hence no scientific journal would publish said research.

Not saying a journal hasn't published such work, only that the author was probably laughed out of the community.
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In FE Literature there are three celestial bodies that inhabit the sky. The Sun. The Moon. And the Shadow Object.

Re: Not possible on a flat earth
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 09:22:23 PM »
Problem is, I wouldn't be surprised if most FE Scientists aren't the laughing stock of the Scientific community... hence no scientific journal would publish said research.

Not saying a journal hasn't published such work, only that the author was probably laughed out of the community.

They're not scientists, and can't be considered scientists.
Tom Bishop is a moron.