Plane on conveyor on a FE... Will it ever take off?

I think somebody needs a basic lesson in how planes fly. They have to by moving in order to get lift. Air must be passing past the wings in order to get lift. If there is a conveyor belt countering any movement of the plane forward then it will never pick up any speed it will just be still with it's engines wailing uselessly.

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Why would the wheels even matter? The plane gets flying because of thrust and lift caused by wind moving over the wings... not because of its wheels, therefor it would take off.

Uh, the airplane is not moving.

Uh, the conveyor belt would act on the wheels, not the thrust of the jet engines.  It would be like the plane were taking off without its wheels down, except it wouldn't fall.

If you were to put a car on a conveyor belt, yes that would keep the car in place because it's the wheels that cause the car to go forward.

Jets start up.

Wheels start moving.

Conveyor belt reacts accordingly.

At best the jet would move forward 3-5 feet before the jets stop accelerating and then speed would be maintained.

So you're trying to tell me that jets that create thousands of pounds of thrust can't overcome some wheel bearings?  

The wheels would just keep spinning around and a around and the jets would push the plane along, there's nothing the conveyor belt could do short of strapping the wheels down to the ground that could stop the jet.

THE PLANE WOULD NOT TAKE OFF! jesus how hard is that to understand? even if the engines of the plane were functioning, and as they say the treadmill adjusts to the speed of the wheels, the plane would stand still, which means no lift. In retard terms, NO WINDY OVER WINGY, PLANE NO GO SKY.

off topic, IKillU, YOU ARE A DUMBSHIT! take your ubertestosterone reduced brain power and go fight with your reflection in a mirror.

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Why would the wheels even matter? The plane gets flying because of thrust and lift caused by wind moving over the wings... not because of its wheels, therefor it would take off.

Uh, the airplane is not moving.

Uh, the conveyor belt would act on the wheels, not the thrust of the jet engines.  It would be like the plane were taking off without its wheels down, except it wouldn't fall.

If you were to put a car on a conveyor belt, yes that would keep the car in place because it's the wheels that cause the car to go forward.

Jets start up.

Wheels start moving.

Conveyor belt reacts accordingly.

At best the jet would move forward 3-5 feet before the jets stop accelerating and then speed would be maintained.

So you're trying to tell me that jets that create thousands of pounds of thrust can't overcome some wheel bearings?  

The wheels would just keep spinning around and a around and the jets would push the plane along, there's nothing the conveyor belt could do short of strapping the wheels down to the ground that could stop the jet.

It's your dumbass hypothesis that states that the conveyor reacts according to the wheels' rotation. The Jets would have to maintain acceleration in order to generate a constantly changing speed in order for the jet itself to move at all. So in essence, no your fucking jets CAN'T overpower the conveyor belt.

That's like taking a little lego man and asking "This guys gun has 3 rounds in it, can he shoot 4 bottles? Ofcourse he can! His gun also has a DEATH RAY on it!!! HAHA FOOLED YOU!".

It's not MY hypothesis.  I didn't start the thread.  You're an idiot for thinking the jets have anything to do with the conveyor belt.

The wheels are the only thing on the conveyor belt, and the wheels aren't what accelerate the plane forward, therefore they have no bearing whatsoever on how fast the plane goes.

So now we have answered the ratarded question can we now find out what the original poster thinks are the answers and also what the fuck this has to do with the shape of the Earth and why it was asked on this forum and not "aeroplanediscussionslolz.com"

It's not MY hypothesis.  I didn't start the thread.  You're an idiot for thinking the jets have anything to do with the conveyor belt.

The wheels are the only thing on the conveyor belt, and the wheels aren't what accelerate the plane forward, therefore they have no bearing whatsoever on how fast the plane goes.

Damnit I already explained this.

Conveyor belt is set to react to the wheels turning. Jets turn on, wheels turn, conveyor belt reacts to wheels turning.

In order for the jet to move forward at all, they would have to constantly be accelerating so that the conveyor has to constantly accelerate in the opposite direction in order to counter the wheels turning.

Unless you think that the wheels don't turn in order to allow the plane to move forward? Suddenly it's a skii-plane? Meant to land on snow?

And you're not reading what I'm saying.  The conveyor belt has NOTHING to do with the jets.  It's acting upon the wheels which believe it or not, are not what causes the jet to accelerate.

And you're not reading what I'm saying. The conveyor belt has NOTHING to do with the jets. It's acting upon the wheels which believe it or not, are not what causes the jet to accelerate.

You sir are a jackass. quit working the poor FE community up over your stupid question which has been answered thousands of times (correctly i might add) on the net, and has been answered correctly many times in this thread.

I believe i speak for everyone one when i say, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Douche bags like you make my piss boil.

EDIT: Your doucheness disgraces the greatness that is bruce campbell and the army of darkness

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And you're not reading what I'm saying. The conveyor belt has NOTHING to do with the jets. It's acting upon the wheels which believe it or not, are not what causes the jet to accelerate.

You sir are a jackass. quit working the poor FE community up over your stupid question which has been answered thousands of times (correctly i might add) on the net, and has been answered correctly many times in this thread.

I believe i speak for everyone one when i say, SHUT THE fuck UP!

Douche bags like you make my piss boil.

Awww can't I have just a little fun with them!?

(BTW Second time I've had to say now that this isn't MY question kthx.  Also noteworthy to add that this question can never be answered "correctly" because it's never been experimented with before on any scale.  Common sense tells me though that a conveyor belt working against the wheels has nothing to do with the Jets that create acceleration and thrust, therefore the plane would continue forward.)

I've come to the conclusion that the plane would actually move forward. If you think about it it makes sense. Best way to think about it is if you try to push a toy car against the flow of a treadmill. No matter how fast you move the treadmill. Imagine if you just held your hand behind it (but not touching your hand against the treadmill, analogous to the engines on a plane). Does it matter how fast you turn up the treadmill? No because the rotating wheels reduce the friction between the car and the surface so it takes very very little effort to keep the car stlil, relative to the rest of the room.

Now imagine if you just pushed it forward a bit. It would move up the treadmill. This is all down to the fact that the wheels do not provide thrust but the hand (or engines on a plane) do.

The plane would be able to take off without much trouble.

I still have no idea what this has to do with the shape of the earth but it provided me with some interesting thinking anyway.

The idea is that no matter how fas you turn up the conveyor belt the wheels will ALWAYS match it's speed by default.

Can a jet take off on an uphill slope made of ice? Thats essentially the effect that the conveyor belt has.

It's applying negative velocity to the positive velocity of the wheels based on the wheels having to turn in order to allow the jet to move the plane forward.

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And you're not reading what I'm saying. The conveyor belt has NOTHING to do with the jets. It's acting upon the wheels which believe it or not, are not what causes the jet to accelerate.

You sir are a jackass. quit working the poor FE community up over your stupid question which has been answered thousands of times (correctly i might add) on the net, and has been answered correctly many times in this thread.

I believe i speak for everyone one when i say, SHUT THE fuck UP!

Douche bags like you make my piss boil.

Awww can't I have just a little fun with them!?

(BTW Second time I've had to say now that this isn't MY question kthx.)

Not when it brings you down to a level below a conspiracy theorists. If you want to mess with them, ask questions they can't answer. Like, why does the mast of a ship appear before the hull when coming over the horizon? And making me defend the FE'ers really grinds my shit.

Can a jet take off on an uphill slope made of ice? Thats essentially the effect that the conveyor belt has.

It's applying negative velocity to the positive velocity of the wheels based on the wheels having to turn in order to allow the jet to move the plane forward.

Going up hill on an icey slope brings gravity into the equation though which would act against the thrust of the engines. In the conveyor belt model there is no force acting against the thrust of the engines with the exeption of air resistance.

And yes a plane could take off up an icey slope if it had enough thrust to do so.

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Can a jet take off on an uphill slope made of ice? Thats essentially the effect that the conveyor belt has.

It's applying negative velocity to the positive velocity of the wheels based on the wheels having to turn in order to allow the jet to move the plane forward.

Going up hill on an icey slope brings gravity into the equation though which would act against the thrust of the engines. In the conveyor belt model there is no force acting against the thrust of the engines with the exeption of air resistance.

Gravity is always in the equation. Believe it or not, the engines fight gravity even in level flight.

The idea is that no matter how fas you turn up the conveyor belt the wheels will ALWAYS match it's speed by default.

Right but the speed of the wheels would change as the jet attempts to accelerate the plane forward. The conveyor is actually applying negative velocity to the entire plane based solely on the rotation rate of the weels.

The Conveyor is only attmepting to match speed with the wheels, as the jets push the plane forward the wheels will have to accelerate which causes the conveyor to accelerate.

And yes a plane could take off up an icey slope if it had enough thrust to do so.

Yeah bad analogy.

But yours is too, the treadmill has a set speed that you control. If you got on it and set it to match your speed so you could run at any pace you wished, then ran as fast as you could. It would adjust to your speed and not allow you to move forward at all.

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Can a jet take off on an uphill slope made of ice? Thats essentially the effect that the conveyor belt has.

It's applying negative velocity to the positive velocity of the wheels based on the wheels having to turn in order to allow the jet to move the plane forward.

Going up hill on an icey slope brings gravity into the equation though which would act against the thrust of the engines. In the conveyor belt model there is no force acting against the thrust of the engines with the exeption of air resistance.

Gravity is always in the equation. Believe it or not, the engines fight gravity even in level flight.

Gravity is actually acting vertically on the plane so has no bearing on it's movement forward. The knock on effect of this is of course friction but if you have decent wheels you can get rid of alot of the friction. If the plane had no wheels well the it would be very hard to move because the ground would push back as the engines tried to push the body forward.

Can a jet take off on an uphill slope made of ice? Thats essentially the effect that the conveyor belt has.

It's applying negative velocity to the positive velocity of the wheels based on the wheels having to turn in order to allow the jet to move the plane forward.

A:  I'm sure it can since the jets would be able to overcome the weight of the plane and push it upwards.  Now if it were a car...

B:  An uphill slope of ice has no negative velocity.  It's just... well... an uphill slope of ice.

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The idea is that no matter how fas you turn up the conveyor belt the wheels will ALWAYS match it's speed by default.

Right but the speed of the wheels would change as the jet attempts to accelerate the plane forward. The conveyor is actually applying negative velocity to the entire plane based solely on the rotation rate of the weels.

The Conveyor is only attmepting to match speed with the wheels, as the jets push the plane forward the wheels will have to accelerate which causes the conveyor to accelerate.

You're forgetting that the wheels are free-wheeling so whatever the speed of the conveyr (it could be moving at 1000 mph) the wheels will match it as long as they can hold together under the heat!

:lol: Stupidest thread ever.


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And yes a plane could take off up an icey slope if it had enough thrust to do so.

Yeah bad analogy.

But yours is too, the treadmill has a set speed that you control. If you got on it and set it to match your speed so you could run at any pace you wished, then ran as fast as you could. It would adjust to your speed and not allow you to move forward at all.

But what if i was on roller skates and my friend was holding out his hands behind me and then the conveyor was turned on and turned to fast?

:lol: Stupidest thread ever.


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I agree. Though on an appropriate discussin board it would be interesting.

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And you're not reading what I'm saying. The conveyor belt has NOTHING to do with the jets. It's acting upon the wheels which believe it or not, are not what causes the jet to accelerate.

You sir are a jackass. quit working the poor FE community up over your stupid question which has been answered thousands of times (correctly i might add) on the net, and has been answered correctly many times in this thread.

I believe i speak for everyone one when i say, SHUT THE fuck UP!

Douche bags like you make my piss boil.

Awww can't I have just a little fun with them!?

(BTW Second time I've had to say now that this isn't MY question kthx.)

Not when it brings you down to a level below a conspiracy theorists. If you want to mess with them, ask questions they can't answer. Like, why does the mast of a ship appear before the hull when coming over the horizon? And making me defend the FE'ers really grinds my shit.

Man, looks like somebody shit in your cereal.  Calm down man, I'm not making you do jack squat, you do that all on your own.  

Besides, how does that bring me anywhere near the level of a conspiracy theorist?  Am I saying "The plane will/won't take off because it's all just a huge conspiracy" or something?  Get your head out of your ass and get some fresh air.

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The idea is that no matter how fas you turn up the conveyor belt the wheels will ALWAYS match it's speed by default.

Right but the speed of the wheels would change as the jet attempts to accelerate the plane forward. The conveyor is actually applying negative velocity to the entire plane based solely on the rotation rate of the weels.

The Conveyor is only attmepting to match speed with the wheels, as the jets push the plane forward the wheels will have to accelerate which causes the conveyor to accelerate.

You're forgetting that the wheels are free-wheeling so whatever the speed of the conveyr (it could be moving at 1000 mph) the wheels will match it as long as they can hold together under the heat!

No no no.

Ok lets see if I can sumarize.

Lets say the jets accelerate the plane forward to 100mph. The wheels would normally turn at 100mph. The conveyor would then spin in the opposite direction at 100mph causing the wheels to turn 200mph.

The overall effect is that the jets move forward at 100mph and the conveyor moves backwards at 100mph and the wheels spin at 200mph.

Jet velocity = 100mph
Conveyor velocity = -100mph
Plane velocity = 0mph

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:lol: Stupidest thread ever.


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I agree. Though on an appropriate discussin board it would be interesting.

I'll agree to that.

Man, looks like somebody shit in your cereal.

Nope, just like annoying idiots like you.