Iraq for sale: what happens when corporations go to war.

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« on: February 16, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »
Iraq for sale:

The story of what happens to everyday Americans when corporations go to war.
Acclaimed director Robert Greenwald (Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price, Outfoxed, and Uncovered) takes you inside the lives of soldiers, truck drivers, widows and children who have been changed forever as a result of profiteering in the reconstruction of Iraq. Iraq for Sale uncovers the connections between private corporations making a killing in Iraq and the decision makers who allow them to do so.

Watch it online or download
http://terrorizethis.org/2007/02/15/iraq-for-sale/

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2007, 07:24:24 PM »
You FE losers are happy to debate you're stupid theory to exhaustion, but not so hot on any 'real' issues..

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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 07:48:38 PM »
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I heard that this site is a psychology experiment

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2007, 07:50:39 PM »
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You FE losers are happy to debate you're stupid theory to exhaustion, but not so hot on any 'real' issues..

That sounds like the opinion of an ignorant person.  Just because current events are not discussed on this forum does not mean everyone on here doesn't care about them.

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 07:51:50 PM »
Yeah sorry I was generalizing

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« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 07:09:21 AM »
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« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2007, 07:13:51 AM »
Know why no one's answering?  Because this has nothing to do with FE.

Please post in the appropriate section next time.

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« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2007, 06:13:52 PM »
I'm sorry, but I thought this was the "Everything Else" section, meant for "Everything Else" ie.  Not related to FE..

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Thx for this, and you are in the right spot.  

You should just plug your ears or block out in some way anything that someone who believes the earth is flat says, in order to preserve brain cells.  You'll need them later to think up witty insults and "I-told-you-so" type of things after space vacations are in full swing.

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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2007, 06:24:37 PM »
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I'm sorry, but I thought this was the "Everything Else" section, meant for "Everything Else" ie.  Not related to FE..


The topic was moved from elsewhere, so yes it's in the right spot now.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2007, 04:58:25 AM »
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Know why no one's answering? Because this has nothing to do with FE.

Please post in the appropriate section next time.



You are correct, but it's in the right place now so everything is sorted :]

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2007, 05:00:10 AM »
I am downloading the video now, and will comment in a bit, probably by editing my comments into this post, rather than writing a new post.

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Here is an actual link to the actual video.  By providing a link to a movie you're talking about, rather than a link to the trailer, people are much more likely to actually watch what you want them to watch.

By the way, it's 76 minutes long.  That could well be another reason why nobody has commented...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6621486727392146155

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harold132

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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2007, 07:14:06 AM »
If you bothered to read the page I put the first link to, You would see a link to a forum post with these rapidshare links.

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http://rapidshare.com/files/13966740/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13983114/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13999889/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14014348/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14026438/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14205983/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13950458/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part7.rar

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2007, 08:06:09 AM »
I've seen this before. I personally didn't think it was that great; the individual stories were tragic and well-documented, but the rest of it was fairly "meh".

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2007, 10:20:40 AM »
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If you bothered to read the page I put the first link to, You would see a link to a forum post with these rapidshare links.

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http://rapidshare.com/files/13966740/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part1.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13983114/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part2.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13999889/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part3.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14014348/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part4.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14026438/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part5.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/14205983/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part6.rar
http://rapidshare.com/files/13950458/_Kronic_.Iraq.For.Sale.part7.rar


Too much trouble.  Google Video is easier.
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2007, 10:25:28 AM »
Either the military sends more troops over, pissing a lot of people off--or they allow private militias and mercenaries to help out.

I don't see why anyone can bitch.
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 11:55:26 PM »
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Either the military sends more troops over, pissing a lot of people off--or they allow private militias and mercenaries to help out.

I don't see why anyone can bitch.


Yes... 'Help out' is a nice way to put it.  

I would call it profiteering, but then I would just be bitching wouldn't I. :]

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« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2007, 06:34:52 AM »
Yeah so I watched the video.  Can't say I was shocked or surprised, since I already knew what was going on, it's been well documented in the past by journalists, as opposed to propagandists.  I must say, I have a strong distaste for "documentaries" that try to emotionally manipulate you like this one did.


Still, I totally agree that it is a serious problem, and indeed a strong moral issue.

I really think that considering the nature of the society we live in, there is nothing wrong, in principle, with outsourcing jobs to private companies.  The problem is obviously that they cut costs and are corrupt.

Still knowing that there is a problem is the smallest part of the solution.  I would like to know what you propose in order to solve this problem.  Please be realistic.  As is essentially documented in that story, politicians need the support of big business to remain in power.  If the politicians refused to support big business then some other candidate would promise to, get their money and win power.  While you can attempt to legislate against it, big business will do everything in it's power to make sure you lose the next election by spending money before the new legislation comes into effect.  The most powerful forms of communicating messages to people (ie. the media) are all part of big business, so it's impossible to see a quick solution to such a problem.

We have to understand that politics is 90% compromise.  You have to give things to the other powers so that you can get concessions on what you want.  Maybe one day that will change, but it will have to be a slow and gradual process.  Too much effort could be lost by aiming too high.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2007, 09:38:48 AM »
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Either the military sends more troops over, pissing a lot of people off--or they allow private militias and mercenaries to help out.

I don't see why anyone can bitch.


Yes... 'Help out' is a nice way to put it.  

I would call it profiteering, but then I would just be bitching wouldn't I. :]


So you'd rather the US military send over more of our troops; likely young men under the age of 26, who most likely don't want to be there, who have the chance of loosing their life, and so much more?  I'd rather see volunteer soldiers that are over there on their own time, most of whom are retired special ops and know what they're doing.

Of course, as beast said, the real problem is that they cut costs and don't appear to be very trustworthy.  Legislation can be done in our own country to fix that; forcing better regulation amongst native militias to our country.
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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2007, 01:52:14 PM »
I'm not American (thank god) so I don't have this sense of patriotism you seem to have:

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So you'd rather the US military send over more of our troops; likely young men under the age of 26, who most likely don't want to be there, who have the chance of loosing their life, and so much more?

"our boys".... watever mate, they're just tools of your fucked up US empire.


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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2007, 01:03:51 PM »
Either the military sends more troops over, pissing a lot of people off--or they allow private militias and mercenaries to help out.

I don't see why anyone can bitch.

They can't bitch because they are in pieces on the asphalt. Someone will be paid mega bucks to have a swarm of underpaid "peons" come along with brooms.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2007, 08:46:19 AM »
I'm not American (thank god) so I don't have this sense of patriotism you seem to have:

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So you'd rather the US military send over more of our troops; likely young men under the age of 26, who most likely don't want to be there, who have the chance of loosing their life, and so much more?

"our boys".... watever mate, they're just tools of your fucked up US empire.


http://terrorizethis.org

I don't see how patriotism is solely a US thing. Last I checked, no-one likes their Countrymen and kin getting killed. If you do, well, I feel sad for the country you're a part of.

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« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2007, 06:02:18 PM »

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I don't see how patriotism is solely a US thing. Last I checked, no-one likes their Countrymen and kin getting killed. If you do, well, I feel sad for the country you're a part of.

Ok you must have not read the thread..  The thing is that you loser Americans eg. solace lack empathy for anyone who isn't a fellow American.

I disagree that anyone should be in Iraq attacking Iraqi people and property regardless of whether they are military or in private companies.

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Of course, as beast said, the real problem is that they cut costs and don't appear to be very trustworthy.
No the real problem is that Americans seem to think that attacking and occupying Iraq is a legitimate thing to do and instead of accepting that it is wrong in so many ways, they instead quibble over the details of how best to destroy someone else's country.

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« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2007, 06:46:06 PM »

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I don't see how patriotism is solely a US thing. Last I checked, no-one likes their Countrymen and kin getting killed. If you do, well, I feel sad for the country you're a part of.

Ok you must have not read the thread..  The thing is that you loser Americans eg. solace lack empathy for anyone who isn't a fellow American.

I disagree that anyone should be in Iraq attacking Iraqi people and property regardless of whether they are military or in private companies.

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Of course, as beast said, the real problem is that they cut costs and don't appear to be very trustworthy.
No the real problem is that Americans seem to think that attacking and occupying Iraq is a legitimate thing to do and instead of accepting that it is wrong in so many ways, they instead quibble over the details of how best to destroy someone else's country.

 :-\ "Americans"?  That somehow implies that all, or most, or even the majority, or even a sizeable amount of Americans think going to Iraq was a good idea.  Seriously, I live in one of the super red states in the bible belt, and I know about 0 people that still think going to war in Iraq was the right choice.  And I disagree about only feeling sorry for fellow countrymen dieing.  I actually had this idea, where instead of telling us how many soldiers and civilians have died in the war, they should just tell us how many people have died, instead of categorizing the casualties.
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2007, 05:23:13 AM »
Obviously there are a large amount of Americans who disagree about the war in Iraq but there are still a lot of fuckwits who don't think...

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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2007, 07:53:23 AM »
Obviously there are a large amount of Americans who disagree about the war in Iraq but there are still a lot of fuckwits who don't think...

Yeah, true.  Still, keep in mind that the most control we had over deciding to go to war was electing Bush (since the war wasn't officially declared by congress like it should be), and he didn't even actually win the first term when he got us into this mess.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2007, 07:57:34 AM »
Obviously there are a large amount of Americans who disagree about the war in Iraq but there are still a lot of fuckwits who don't think...

Yeah, true.  Still, keep in mind that the most control we had over deciding to go to war was electing Bush (since the war wasn't officially declared by congress like it should be), and he didn't even actually win the first term when he got us into this mess.
he did win. by the system we have in place... he won. it is a stupid sytem... but it is still the system.

Well, you know what I meant.  Won the electoral, lost the popular.  Great system we have here huh?  Selective democracy :)
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