FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect

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Ed.Man

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FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect
« on: February 16, 2007, 06:21:04 PM »
First off: Yes, I read the FAQ. And No, it does not make sense.

"Q: How come when I flush my toilet in the northern hemisphere it goes counterclockwise but I have this friend in Australia and when he flushes it goes clockwise?

You're mistaken. On a round Earth, the Coriolis effect adds at most one (counter)clockwise rotation per day; fewer as you get closer to the equator. The water in your toilet/sink/bathtub/funnel spins much faster than that (probably at least once per minute, or 1440 times per day) so the additional/lost rotation from the Coriolis effect wouldn't be noticed. "

Wow, massive failure. This isn't how the Coriolis effect works. From Wikipedia:

"The Coriolis effect caused by the rotation of the Earth is responsible for the precession of a Foucault pendulum and for the direction of the rotation of cyclones. In general, the effect deflects objects moving along the surface of the Earth to the right of the direction of travel in the Northern hemisphere and to the left of the direction of travel in the Southern hemisphere. As a consequence, winds around the center of a cyclone rotate counterclockwise on the northern hemisphere and clockwise on the southern hemisphere. However, contrary to popular belief, the Coriolis effect is not a determining factor in the rotation of water in toilets or bathtubs (see the Draining bathtubs/toilets section below)."

See that? The Coriolis effect is not refutable. Because the Coriolis effect directly contradicts the FE theory, the FE theory must be false.
Logic dictates that:

A) When two statements are in direct contradiction, one must be true, and the other must be false

B) If the Coriolis effect is proven to be both contradicting the FE theory and true, then the FE theory must be false.

And if your only counter-argument is that Wikipedia isn't reliable, look it up somewhere else then. The Coriolis effect has been proven not to affect toilets/sinks, but only large scale things (cyclones/hurricanes).

But before you reply, do know that I am open to new theories. However, being open to new theories is not the same as believing what everyone tells you.

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Savas

FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2007, 06:34:17 PM »
They believe it is all a conspiracy so remove the images and videos as they all are possible of being manipulated. So that only leaves mathematics and proof of concept.

http://mintaka.sdsu.edu/GF/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html

In basic proof of concept: Where I live is night time and on the other side of the earth it is day time that would mean that I'm ether on the other side of the flat Earth or the Earth is indeed round and I am simply on side that is not facing the sun. Or I'm on a different flat planet. Unless I'm missing something someone please explain.



This is just a small image I found that repersents the first ideas of why people thought the Earth was round.

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Ed.Man

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FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 06:51:30 PM »
Ok, well if proof of concept is all that is needed, then it is still easy to prove FE Theory false.

From any light source that radiates light (or anything) spherically with an even distribution, as an object moves away from it, it receives less light with an inverse square proportion.

FE theory claims the sun is a 'spotlight.' Personally, I scoff at this. Scoff to the max. Why? Because, the Sun, like other spherical objects, radiates light spherically: This can be proven with measurements. If the Sun were focused as a spotlight, then this would not apply.

Alright, alright. Even as I'm writing this, I've predicted the response: The spotlight effect has no effect on the distribution of the Sun's rays.

Ok. Fine. Then, I'll disprove FE Theory here and now with an even stronger proof.

FE Theory believes:

"Q: "What about the stars, sun and moon and other planets? Are they flat too? What are they made of?"

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions. "


I'm sorry, what was that? The Sun, 32 freaking miles in diameter? So, with a sun this small, I pose this question: What the hell is it powered by?

RE theory states the Sun is a star, powered by internal nuclear fusion. If gravity does not exist, then fusion is IMPOSSIBLE. If FE theory cannot refute this obvious fact, then FE Theory is and always will be false.

Futile arguments
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2007, 06:57:14 PM »
First of all Savas, insulting people isn't generaly a good way to convince them that you're right.

 Second of all, I to am a skeptic but I believe that people have a right to express their opinion, considering as how we all percieve reality in different ways. Arguing about whether the Earth is round or flat is about as useless as arguing that there is no God. While some arguments based off science and math have a slight possibility of convincing someone, there's always the inconvenient bar where-in our knowledge gives way to blind faith. I know many people will disagree and say that science has been tested and proven, but really all we've proven is that it works every time we have tried it so far. Just because a cup of water falls downward everytime you try it, doesn't mean theres no possibility of it falling upward. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that the world is flat, or that science is useless, I'm just stating that everything we see is relative.

 Lastly, out of curiosity, I just want to get an idea of why you think the Earth is flat. I'm not looking for mathematical or scientific things, I'm just wondering, what was the catalyst that made you disbelieve public opinion and hundreds of years of scientific progress?

Also, I'm hoping that in this thread there won't be the stupid people who, without thinking of why or how, just blatently call you ignorant. We all live in this world and people have have different opinions, live with it, and use your time for better uses than insulting people who have a different view than you.

                                                                       Hector[/b]
quot;Metaphysics it is the science that studies a black cat, inside a dark room... that is not there"

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Ed.Man

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FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 07:01:50 PM »
Wow, you sound waaay less biased and angry than me, Hector. I should learn.

But yes, I agree. Nothing can be fully proven. However, I personally see too many flaws to this theory. The fact that any evidence against FE is immediately and conveniently called a 'conspiracy' is too fishy.

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Savas

FE Theory fails to account for coriolis effect
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2007, 08:19:28 AM »
I'm open minded and I don't want to look angry or insulting but I was only trying to give my point across in clear sight. I found it funny at first then I found it intriguing that people can believe such a crazy theory. Now I wouldn't hunt them down and burn them alive for it because at the end of the day it's their lose of having one less insight in reality.

My picture is a proven fact do it your self. When a ship is at the horizon its lower part is not visible due to Earth's curvature. This was one of the first arguments favouring a round-earth model. If the picture is manipulated I'm sure you wouldn't be able to do it your self.

I'm open minded and I don't want to look angry or insulting but I was only trying to give my point across in clear sight. I found it funny at first then I found it intriguing that people can believe such a crazy theory. Now I wouldn't hunt them down and burn them alive for it because at the end of the day it's their lose of having one less insight in reality.

My picture is a proven fact do it your self. When a ship is at the horizon its lower part is not visible due to Earth's curvature. This was one of the first arguments favouring a round-earth model. If the picture is manipulated I'm sure you wouldn't be able to do it your self.

A: The sun and moon, each 32 miles in diameter, circle Earth at a height of 3000 miles at its equator, located midway between the North Pole and the ice wall. Each functions similar to a "spotlight," with the sun radiating "hot light," the moon "cold light." As they are spotlights, they only give light out over a certain are which explains why some parts of the Earth are dark when others are light. Their apparent rising and setting are caused by optical illusions. "


Optical illusions. Haha that's a good one.

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