East or west.

Serious questions then. If I travel far enough east or west, I will hit ice, rather than returning to where I was? I am talking straight east and west, not the slightest bit of deviation to either side.

According to the FE model, travelling in ANY direction in a sraight line will result in hitting an ice wall.

No?

Because in order to be traveling either east or west you have to have a point of reference which would be the north pole. As such you would end up traveling in a circle.

Now, if you set out in a perfectly straight line, say in an airplane perhaps? Then you should be able to find ice eventually.

Traveling strictly east or west will cause you to travel in a circle around the north pole, eventually retuning to your starting point.

Another point.
By your beliefs, shouldn't it take many many many miles to circle the southern ice wall and return to your starting position?

 Also, shouldn't it take an equally huge number of miles to sail or fly from the souther tip of... lets say Australia to the southern tip of South Africa?

By your beliefs, shouldn't it take many many many miles to circle the southern ice wall and return to your starting position?

Yep.

Also, shouldn't it take an equally huge number of miles to sail or fly from the souther tip of... lets say Australia to the southern tip of South Africa?

Yep. But how many direct flights between South Africa and Australia do you think there are?

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By your beliefs, shouldn't it take many many many miles to circle the southern ice wall and return to your starting position?

Yep.

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Also, shouldn't it take an equally huge number of miles to sail or fly from the souther tip of... lets say Australia to the southern tip of South Africa?

Yep. But how many direct flights between South Africa and Australia do you think there are?

More than 10 a day, in fact, it's a scheduled route for several Australian airlines. Flight time of 11hours to 12 hours.  11:20 to Johannesburg. All non stop flights.

You can add even more flights if you include direct from south america to africa. India has direct flights as well.  So basically, if you check the airline schedules for southern flights from multiple points, it seems 20-30 planes make what would be an horrendously long flight on a FE on a daily basis.
Any other bright comments?

Hello..

I started to consider the FET for a few days now. From now I remained (and still do) a geocentrist.

I share the view that there is a gigantic world conspiracy (satanic in origin) that involves all the governments of the world.

I read a lot about FET last days and watched many videos as well. There was one that caught my attention and was about the south hemisphere flights and the fact that they do not go over antartica, which is very suspicious I have to admit...but I thought of something that came logically to my mind; and that is the fact that a flight from...lets say Johanesbourg to Perth should take more time than one from Rome to Shangai if we believe in flat earth theory. Pretty obvious.

So, I searched a bit and found a FE map, and in that map the distance from Johanesbourg to Perth should be at least 2.5 times bigger than the distance from Rome to Shangai. That is a very significant difference.



In round earth theory there are 8583 km from rome to shangai and 8313 from johanesbourg to perth. The distance is almost the same using a RE map...so in RET the flight hours should also be similar.

Well, I did the research and found that there are direct flights for both cases...a lot actually as was suggested by the previous post...I mean MANY DIRECT FLIGHTS EVERY DAY FROM JOHANESBOURGH TO PERTH...so I searched in a travel website and obtained this:

-from rome to shangai 11:35, and 12:40 hours the two ways

-from johanesbourg to perth 8:35 and 11:30 hours respectively

Can anybody that believes in FET explain this to me in a logical way?

should we believe that the flight from johanesbourg is 2.5 times faster than the other one?

Serious answers please..

I find suspicious that nobody answered the last post made by ceadda before this one some years ago...why?

You can check what I have checked very easily and all that it takes is less than half and hour.

and sorry for my english...I am from Spain and not a native english speaker

Jesus Christ, was it really necessary to resurrect a thread from over seven years ago to ask this?... And as for your question - the dominant answer to this kind of questions is that there is currently no "official" FE map, only a couple of propositions of what it could look like. You have pointed out a pretty obvious flaw in one of these "propositions".

Jesus Christ, was it really necessary to resurrect a thread from over seven years ago to ask this?... And as for your question - the dominant answer to this kind of questions is that there is currently no "official" FE map, only a couple of propositions of what it could look like. You have pointed out a pretty obvious flaw in one of these "propositions".

Well, I resurrected it because when the question was made by ceadda nobody answered and the thread was dead.....to me that is the best proof that nobody in the FET had a plausible answer.....ceadda simple proposition was uncontested.....If someone had a good answer for that it would have been posted...no answer came...

I mean...Tom Bishop asked (assuming that there were no direct flights from perth to johanesbourg) "how many direct flights you think there are"?..when ceadda answered that there were more than 10 daily...bishop never answered back..why?

so what is the other proposition you say? which is the other map?

Thanks in advance

Jesus Christ, was it really necessary to resurrect a thread from over seven years ago to ask this?... And as for your question - the dominant answer to this kind of questions is that there is currently no "official" FE map, only a couple of propositions of what it could look like. You have pointed out a pretty obvious flaw in one of these "propositions".

As for the date of the post, that is not relevant for me. If it is true it is true 7, 3 or 70 years ago...

But to show you another example I saw this thread from one year ago: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=58778.0#.U_IEy_l5M-V

by the end of the thread user lolflatdisc said:

"Go to the website of Qantas
Select start city Perth, destination Johannesburg. The flight from Perth to Johannesburg takes you 11 h 20 minutes.

Go to the website of United Airlines
For London to Los Angeles (there were no direct flights to Honolulu) it is about the same length as Perth to Johannesburg. It takes you 11hr 25min. If you have a look at the flat earth map. The distance London --> Los Angeles is shorter (yellow line) than the distance from Perth to Johannesburg (red line). "

a similar example....

that post was near the end of that thread....nobody answered to lolflatdisc after that...

I suspect that every time someone raises this question about the flights from south africa to australia and comparing them with the ones of the northern hemisphere nobody in the FET has a plausible answer and therefore nobody answer the thread...

If the FET is correct there should be an easy and logic answer to that problem...where is it?

This is an old topic which has been dropped long ago.

The simple answer is that FE has no answer because there is no "accurate flat earth map". The so-called "Flat Earth Map" usually presented is simply one of many projections of the globe with the inherent distortions. Just one of many flat earth fallacies and one more thing not to be taken seriously.

This is an old topic which has been dropped long ago.

The simple answer is that FE has no answer because there is no "accurate flat earth map". The so-called "Flat Earth Map" usually presented is simply one of many projections of the globe with the inherent distortions. Just one of many flat earth fallacies and one more thing not to be taken seriously.

Yes...I see they have no reasonable answer for this topic...

thank you

I had a topic about the distance from the earth to the moon and how it was measured by one method. All that FE's had was a lot of nonsense and they ran out of that so the topic was locked by the adminstrator . The usual thing to expect on this website.

RET has managed to inflict itself upon the correct and long history of FET.  All this round belief has pushed truth aside. REers have amassed enough fortune to be a part of proving their intrusion was unnecessary.

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics.  Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics. 

Bah.  There are several members who already live in the southern hemiplane.  All they need to do is to measure one degree of longitude and compare it to a comparable degree of longitude in the northern hemiplane.

Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

Why should a flat earth map be assumed correct when the shipping and transportation industries use globular maps quite reliably?  When people who's lives and livelihood depends on accurate maps put faith into flat earth maps, then I might as well.

At 32deg south 1deg of longitude = 104 Km

At 32deg south 1deg of longitude = 104 Km

Did you measure that or did you just look at a map?

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics.  Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

Only one "slight" problem with your suggestion gotham.  Currently there is NO agreed upon flat earth map, or model.  Each and every flat earther has his or her own opinion about it.  And NO academically-accredited contemporary scientist accepts any flat earth map or model.

Quote from: guv on August 19, 2014, 06:58:01 AM

At 32deg south 1deg of longitude = 104 Km

Did you measure that or did you just look at a map?

I got the numbers from the weather radar but I have traveled through that bit of bush a lot. 

RET has managed to inflict itself upon the correct and long history of FET.  All this round belief has pushed truth aside. REers have amassed enough fortune to be a part of proving their intrusion was unnecessary.

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics.  Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

I'm sorry to state the simple fact. If you were to suggest to any organization that their maps were inaccurate and they should be using a "Flat Earth Map" they would most likely consider you a candidate for the loony bin. Ask them who is on the right side of Earth shape. In the words of Colonel Pickering, "It's common knowledge."

All of those sources have been using maps based on the globe such as various projections and know from experience they are accurate. They wouldn't have used them otherwise.

How can the flat earthers say that their maps are accurate when they don't even have one ? The best they have ever been able to come up with has been a simple copy of a projection which was made from a globe.

One question:
If the earth was truly  flat, what would prevent you from flying, or sailing from any one point to another on the flat earth in a straight line ? And if you could go in a straight line , what would prevent you from going in a straight line from any point on the earth to the so-called "ice wall" ?

I'm also sorry to report that other than the "true flat earth believers" the rest of the world considers this "flat earth map of the earth"....As one writer put it "It's so stupid it's funny !" ROFLOL.

I know you aren't supposed to make fun of the flat earthers....Especially when it comes to the old "flat earth map" subject.....But it is indeed a difficult task not to do so.

BTW. I assume that picture that Gotham posts is supposed to be of the so-called "Ice Wall." If you will search on "ice shelf", "ice berg" or "glacier" you will find that very picture.... And the  FE's complain about "photo shopping." !!!!... That picture is just a close up of one of those pictures. It seems to be "the pot calling the pan black." There is no flat earth map and there is no ice wall.

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics.  Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

Does the FE map use different latitude lines than the RE map? 

RET has managed to inflict itself upon the correct and long history of FET.  All this round belief has pushed truth aside. REers have amassed enough fortune to be a part of proving their intrusion was unnecessary.

Fund THE mapping project and let's see who is on the right side of Earth shape dynamics.  Until then, a flat Earth map can be considered correct compared to any of these "globes" that appear in our lives.

Serious questions.:
1.Since there is no flat earth map how can  something that does not exist be considered correct ?
2.Since the earth is a globe and maps have been made for centuries from projections of that globe , are in use every day and have been proven accurate, how can they be considered incorrect ? Especially when they are compared to something that does not exist ?

How can the flat earthers say that their maps are accurate when they don't even have one? The best they have ever been able to come up with has been a simple copy of a projection which was made from a globe.

This question about a legitimate flat earth map is one that the flat earthers have repeatedly and stubbornly refused to address, despite being asked a hundred times.

Why is there no accurate—and current—flat earth map in existence, apart from those fanciful illustrations from centuries ago?



Can any flat earther produce a flat earth map drawn later than this one dated 1893, by Orlando Ferguson?

Quote from: Googleotomy on August 19, 2014, 06:55:56 PM

How can the flat earthers say that their maps are accurate when they don't even have one? The best they have ever been able to come up with has been a simple copy of a projection which was made from a globe.

This question about a legitimate flat earth map is one that the flat earthers have repeatedly and stubbornly refused to address, despite being asked a hundred times.

Why is there no accurate—and current—flat earth map in existence, apart from those fanciful illustrations from centuries ago?

Can any flat earther produce a flat earth map drawn later than this one dated 1893, by Orlando Ferguson?

Orlando Ferguson's map bears a curious resemblance to the well known projection of a globe. Also Ferguson seems to bear a curious resemblance to Samuel Birley Rowbotham in listing himself as "Professor Orlando Ferguson." He was in reality a real estate agent.

Ferguson seems to be an obvious disciple of Rowbotham and seems to have followed in the footsteps of Rowbotham.

http://www.livescience.com/14754-ingenious-flat-earth-theory-revealed-map.html