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Darhal

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« on: February 16, 2007, 03:03:50 PM »
If you fly a plane in a straight line in any direction you get back to where you started.....how can that be explained if the earth is flat?
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maltaethiron

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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2007, 03:06:01 PM »
the way FE'ers explain it is this:

To go in a "straight line" you follow a compass, right?  Well, in the flat earth model, compasses point towards the center of the earth, or the North Pole.  So really, if you were to go due east or west, you would just be flying circles around the north pole.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 03:07:52 PM »
ridiculous.

this whole idea.

how about the holocaust, did that happen? or was it a conspiracy  as well?

why would they cover it up?

and let me ask you, have any of you ever flown in a plane?

well, i have.. from florida to russia.  i assure you, the earth is round.
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2007, 03:11:18 PM »
But you can fly from any point in a straight line round a sphere and it will take the same ammount of time to reach where you left off, assuming you travel at the same speed each time. If you were traveling in circles varying in size depending on how far away from the center you are than it would take a hell of a lot longer to fly round the earth at some points than it would at others.
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maltaethiron

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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2007, 03:13:59 PM »
Oh totally, i agree with you guys, I'm an RE'er that saw this on digg and wanted to discuss...w00t
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2007, 03:39:59 PM »
No No No.....this was the best one:

Q: "How come the travel time by air from South America to New Zealand, via the polar route, is SHORTER than the travel time going North first and then South again?"

A: (Presumed answer: The airline pilots are misled by their GPS, or are deliberately conspiring to make it appear that the flights take different times) Pilots are in on it too...hahahaha


That and

Tom says they know there is an ice wall because:

1. "Antarctica as a continent does not exist." hahahahaha

2. Modern sceince, space travel and hunanity's testomony is not any good because pictures are photoshopped and everyone is lying. But then goes on to state that "people have mentioned seeing ice in trips going south.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2007, 06:32:13 PM »
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But you can fly from any point in a straight line round a sphere and it will take the same ammount of time to reach where you left off, assuming you travel at the same speed each time. If you were traveling in circles varying in size depending on how far away from the center you are than it would take a hell of a lot longer to fly round the earth at some points than it would at others.


This would be the key to this question. You can't dismiss that with a whiney "oh your just believing your compass/gps"

Why is it that you can fly in a straight line. From any point on the planet, and end up back at that point, with reasonably the same travel time (accounting for headwinds and tailwinds of course.)
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2007, 06:36:12 PM »
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Why is it that you can fly in a straight line. From any point on the planet, and end up back at that point, with reasonably the same travel time (accounting for headwinds and tailwinds of course.)


Um, that's possible on the FE too.  No matter how many times you fly west from California and travel around the earth, it will take you roughly the same amount of time, each time.
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ceadda

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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2007, 07:09:50 PM »
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Um, that's possible on the FE too.  No matter how many times you fly west from California and travel around the earth, it will take you roughly the same amount of time, each time.


Maybe your just not paying attention here, or maybe I just wasn't clear on this, but I thought I was.

Part 1
What happens when you leave from Texas?
Now try it from South America?
Austrailia?
North Pole?

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And we said "straight line"  Not straight east, or straight west. Straight ahead as in whatever direction you are pointing in you do not turn or deviate from.  If the gps/compasses are deceiving you then some of these trips are going to take a lot longer than others.

Using this method. On a round earth, all trips in a straight line back to the same point should be approximately the same length if you take into account headwinds, tailwinds, and the slight off round shape of the earth.

On a flat earth, some trips will be miraculously short, and others will be horribly long. Or you'll fly straight off the edge of the world.
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kanabob

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« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2007, 07:12:22 PM »
Think of this site as a game... chose your team, and try to win at all costs. Maybe one or two people actually believe this shit, and they're so beyond reason it's pointless to even try.
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« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2007, 07:22:03 PM »
Actually, I do think of it as a game. A very fun mental game. :) And as I've stated before. Just trying to weed out some smart ones to play with ;)

Having some problems finding ones that aren't either spitting out repeated dribble, or not reading/comprehending the whole question of a post.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2007, 08:06:08 PM »
Quote from: "ceadda"

Part 1
What happens when you leave from Texas?
Now try it from South America?
Austrailia?
North Pole?

It takes different times, in either model.
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And we said "straight line"  Not straight east, or straight west.

How would you know you were going straight?  By the way, if you travel in a straight line in either model, you will end up in space.
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« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2007, 06:09:23 PM »
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It takes different times, in either model.

Different times for the same length of trip? That's news to the world. We did say accounting for head and tail winds and that a round earth is slightly off round...

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How would you know you were going straight?  By the way, if you travel in a straight line in either model, you will end up in space.


Obviously we meant straight as in ahead, keeping close to the surface of the earth.  And as for telling which line is straight. GPS would be fine. If the earth is round, you'll be lead in a straight line back to where you were and can compare times later. If it's flat, the GPS is going to lie to you (oooh, conspiracy :P) to get you to go back to where you started and this will affect the travel time severly.

Are you dense or something? Seems like you can't understand simple statements or concepts. Most of the comments I've seen from you add almost nothing to the discussion. Stop nitpicking and start adding something useful.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2007, 11:06:03 AM »
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Different times for the same length of trip? That's news to the world. We did say accounting for head and tail winds and that a round earth is slightly off round...

Since when is flying in a circle around the north pole, around the earth from Dallas, or Rio De Janeiro, or from Tazmania the same distance?
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2007, 11:07:44 AM »

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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 11:11:18 AM »
Invisible wormholes in space time!
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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 11:14:18 AM »
After just two days I have come to the conclusion that nobody on this site believes the Earth is flat (There is zero evidence) so they just pretend to. The only way you could possibly believe it is if you had some kind of mental retardation.
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 11:16:40 AM »
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After just two days I have come to the conclusion that nobody on this site believes the Earth is flat (There is zero evidence) so they just pretend to. The only way you could possibly believe it is if you had some kind of mental retardation.

No evidence of jesus.
SO THERE!
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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2007, 11:17:09 AM »
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After just two days I have come to the conclusion that nobody on this site believes the Earth is flat (There is zero evidence) so they just pretend to. The only way you could possibly believe it is if you had some kind of mental retardation.


I agree.
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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2007, 11:20:47 AM »
I'm going to start the Cube-Earth society to counter these ridiculous claims that the earth is either flat or spherical.
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« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2007, 11:23:15 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2007, 11:55:03 AM »
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And that has what to do with the OP?
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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2007, 11:57:16 AM »
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And that has what to do with the OP?


Can't you see the problem in those pictures? Each red line takes roughly the same amount of time to traverse in practice but in FE theory one would take twice as long as the other. Also I'd love to know how GPS is faulty when due to a flat earth it would be impossible to send "satelites" into "orbit" so there would be no GPS in the first place.
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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2007, 12:11:47 PM »
Radio towers!
Magical radio towers!
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« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2007, 12:17:07 PM »
Must be the same magical radio towers that took all the photos on Google Earth too! If this theory had even the slightest thread of something that could be called evidence I'd understand why a person MIGHT believe it. But....there is no evidence. It's the typical conspiracy theory. Step 1: arrive at conlcusion. Step 2, investigate! It's like arresting somone for murder because you think they did it then investigating said murder afterwards!
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« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2007, 12:24:19 PM »
GPS does not require satellites.
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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2007, 12:26:55 PM »
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The Global Positioning System (GPS), is currently the only fully-functional Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS). More than two dozen GPS satellites are in medium Earth orbit, transmitting signals allowing GPS receivers to determine the receiver's location, speed and direction.


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A GPS receiver calculates its position by measuring the distance between itself and three or more GPS satellites. Measuring the time delay between transmission and reception of each GPS radio signal gives the distance to each satellite, since the signal travels at a known speed. The signals also carry information about the satellites' location. By determining the position of, and distance to, at least three satellites, the receiver can compute its position using trilateration.[1] Receivers typically do not have perfectly accurate clocks and therefore track one or more additional satellites to correct the receiver's clock error.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

huh?
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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2007, 12:35:31 PM »
There is no part of GPS that requires the transmitter to be in orbit.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2007, 12:36:11 PM »
Here's a proof that can be done in your HOME, not that the earth is flat or round but light travels in a straight line. A coherent beam of light will ALWAYS travel straight, on earth in space in my intestines etc. Now, on a flat earth you could concievably fire a laser from one side of the ocean to the other, especially if you eleveate the laser to 200m above sealevel to escape swells and such (there are very few swells that are greater than 100m) However on a round earth this would be impossible because the laser would end up shining off into the vacuum of space. If you argue that difference in air densities will refocus the laser and cause it to stray, the amount of compressed to bend a beam of coherent light from straight to a curve that would "prove" the earth is round is probably the next closest thing to physically impossible....
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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2007, 12:38:38 PM »
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"]Here's a proof that can be done in your HOME, not that the earth is flat or round but light travels in a straight line.

Gee, thanks, but we know.
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