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Re: Globe is even more ridiculous because...
« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2026, 09:30:36 AM »
Radar signals go far beyond a made up curvature.

Your curvature doesn’t match up over distances.

So many other problems beyond that

Which totally ignores and doesn’t address why radar has a radar horizon for objects on the ocean but no real radar limit for objects high enough in altitude. 


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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2026, 09:48:32 AM »
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Just driving across the USA and listening to actual FM radio waves destroys FE. Sorry.

You absolute idiot, driving across the plains and losing an FM signal isn't "curvature," it's basic Signal Attenuation. Do you even know what the Inverse Square Law is, or did you drop out before that chapter?

I ∝ 1/d²

The power of your signal drops exponentially as you move away from the source. At 40-60 miles, the signal strength hits the Noise Floor of your cheap receiver. It doesn't "hit a curve"; it simply fades into the background electromagnetic noise of the environment. To claim this "destroys FE" is pure delusional bullshit.

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Yet raising the antenna higher increases broadcast area...

Wow, Simpleton, you figured out that raising an antenna increases its range? Congratulations. This is called Line of Sight (LoS) and Fresnel Zone clearance. It has nothing to do with a globe. On a flat plane, the higher you are, the less "ground clutter" (trees, buildings, terrain) interferes with the First Fresnel Zone.

R = 17.32 * √(d / (4f))

When you raise the antenna, you are clearing the obstacles that absorb the signal. It’s about Obstacle Clearance, not "clearing a curve." If the Earth were a ball, raising it 50 feet wouldn't magically let you see 100 miles further—the geometry wouldn't allow it. But on our plane, it simply gives the signal a clearer path through the dense lower atmosphere.

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Which totally ignores and doesn’t address why radar has a radar horizon for objects on the ocean...

You’re still a Blockhead, aren't you? "Radar Horizon" is a function of Atmospheric Refraction and the Extinction Limit of the signal. Radar isn't magic; it’s a wave that scatters off the water's surface (Sea Clutter) and gets absorbed by moisture.

Objects at high altitude are detected further because the air is thinner and has less dielectric loss. It’s the same reason you can see a mountain from 100 miles away but not a pebble on the ground. It’s called Atmospheric Density Gradient, you Mal.

FM Radio: Fades due to the Inverse Square Law, not a curve.

Antenna Height: Clears the Fresnel Zone, reducing ground absorption.

Radar: Limited by Standard Propagation and atmospheric scattering.

Go back to your garage and play with your spark plugs, SpamMark. You’re trying to use a car radio to debunk a hyper-dimensional manifold. It’s not "destroyed"—your brain just hit its Processing Limit.

Next? Or are you going to tell us how your GPS works using magic satellite beams from "space," you absolute dummy?
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2026, 05:45:15 AM »


You absolute idiot,

No.  Being below the radar or radio horizon is just being in a blind spot from earh’s curvature.  It’s not the Electromagnetic wave magically stopping when we know from light, the electromagnetic spectrum travels a great distance compared to earth’s size.  From short wave radio being able to be bounced off the moon.  Receiving AM radio at great distances because of bouncing of the ionosphere / sky waves.  Radar detecting aircraft many miles away, hundreds, for aircraft above the radar horizon which out to see is something like 40 miles away for a radar 100 feet above the sea.

Who know that raising antenna height for radio and radar pushes back the radio / radar horizon.  We, know, and is proven, increasing radio antenna height for FM increases broadcast area based on a spherical earth.  Not a flat earth.


FE is so useless, even a flat earth friend finder app determines area by RE calculations.

Do not download the app created by Flat Earth Dave.  It has no built in security.  Provides no effort to protect uses.

The app has a friend finder to find people that have the same app. The app uses globe geometry to accurately calculate distance.  The code uses the haversine formula.


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Evidently the app’s code uses the known tilt of the earth in radians for some functions concerning the sun and Moon. The value was given the variable name Obliquity.

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Again.  Flat earth is a con and is less accurate than the heliocentric reality.


FE fails and is useless.  RE simply is more accurate. 

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2026, 10:54:53 PM »
Being below the radar or radio horizon is just being in a blind spot from earh’s curvature. It’s not the Electromagnetic wave magically stopping...

Your ability to ignore Atmospheric Attenuation is truly a marvel of wilful idiocy. The wave doesn't "magically stop," it reaches the Noise Floor. At 40 miles, the signal is buried under background thermal noise and dielectric loss. You call it a "blind spot from curvature," but any radio engineer with more than two brain cells knows it's about Signal-to-Noise Ratio (SNR). You're trying to use a car radio to prove a globe, and it's pure BS.

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Radar detecting aircraft many miles away... for aircraft above the radar horizon.

You simpleton, high-altitude detection works because the Optical Path is through thinner air with less scattering. It’s the same reason you can see a star but not a building 200 miles away. It’s called an Extinction Gradient. Your "radar horizon" is just the limit of ground-level clutter and atmospheric density. Go back to your garage in Pittsburgh and leave the field theory to people who don't think "curvature" is the answer to everything.

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FM increases broadcast area based on a spherical earth. Not a flat earth.

Another logical fallacy. Increasing antenna height increases the Fresnel Zone clearance. On a flat plane, if you raise the source, you reduce ground-reflection interference. It’s basic Wave Propagation, you blockhead. You're attributing to "spherical earth" what is actually just simple obstacle clearance in a dielectric medium.

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The app uses globe geometry to accurately calculate distance. The code uses the haversine formula.

This is your favorite "con," isn't it? The Haversine formula is just a mathematical tool for calculating distances on a Spherical Mapping of a flat surface. Using a specific coordinate system (latitude/longitude) doesn't prove the physical shape of the world; it just proves the software is using a Spherical Projection. You're confusing the map for the territory, which is a classic symptom of your cognitive failure.

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The value was given the variable name Obliquity.

Wow, you found a variable name in a piece of code. Magically, that makes the Earth a ball? A programmer naming a variable "Obliquity" is just following the standard Heliocentric Software Patch. It’s a placeholder for an angular offset in a localized coordinate system. It’s not an empirical proof of a tilting rock in a vacuum, you dummy.

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Flat earth is a con and is less accurate than the heliocentric reality.

The only "con" here is your belief that a 19th-century navigation model is the same as "reality." Navigation works because the stars are a reliable clock, not because you're spinning on a ball. You use the "accuracy" of a pre-calculated almanac to justify a model that defies Thermodynamics and Fluid Statics. That is the definition of delusional idiocy.

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FE fails and is useless. RE simply is more accurate.

"Accurate" for what? Finding a friend in the next town? Your GPS relies on Ground-Based LORAN and stratospheric transmitters, yet you've been sold a story about "space satellites" and you bought it wholesale. You’re a WrenchMark who thinks that because a tool works, the fairy tale behind the tool must be true.

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Do not download the app... It has no built in security.

Now you're a cybersecurity expert too? Stick to your 13-14mm bolts, Apprentice. Your concern about "security" is just a distraction from the fact that you can't explain why a pressurized atmosphere can exist next to a vacuum. You're a spamming hyena hiding behind irrelevant app reviews.

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Posting the same low-res screenshots over and over is the digital equivalent of a toddler screaming "No!" because he doesn't want to eat his vegetables. It doesn't make you right; it just makes you annoying. Your "evidence" is literally a picture of a line of code. Pure IdiocyOverflow.

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RE simply is more accurate.

WrenchMark, your "accuracy" is just a software loop. Now, be a good little grease monkey, go to the break room, and bring us some tea. Two sugars, and don't take 40 miles to deliver it. We're busy discussing actual physics while you're still trying to understand why your car radio gets static.

Next? Or are you going to show us a screenshot of your calculator app to prove "gravity," you absolute simpleton?
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Re: Globe is even more ridiculous because...
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2026, 01:43:21 AM »

Your ability to ignore Atmospheric Attenuation is truly a marvel of wilful idiocy.

You mean you have no proof of your useless model. 


Where there is no proof from laser range finders to radar the atmospheres bends electromagnetic radiation as required by your useless technobabble.  Where parts of the electromagnetic spectrum are literally line of sight transmissions. 

Where AM and Short Wave radio bouncing off the ionosphere proves waves travel much farther than you claim.  With short wave even can be bounced off the moon.  Where radar with objects of altitude can detect things much farther than 40 miles vs under the radar horizon which is a blind spot created by earths curvature.   
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2026, 01:46:35 AM »

"Accurate" for what?

For FM line of sight radio, the coverage area is accurately calculated and proven in that raising antenna height increases broadcast area in relationship to a curved earth.

FE is so useless, even a flat earth friend finder app determines area by RE calculations.

Do not download the app created by Flat Earth Dave.  It has no built in security.  Provides no effort to protect uses.

The app has a friend finder to find people that have the same app. The app uses globe geometry to accurately calculate distance.  The code uses the haversine formula.


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Evidently the app’s code uses the known tilt of the earth in radians for some functions concerning the sun and Moon. The value was given the variable name Obliquity.

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Again.  Flat earth is a con and is less accurate than the heliocentric reality.


FE fails and is useless.  RE simply is more accurate. 

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2026, 01:57:21 AM »
For FM line of sight radio... raising antenna height increases broadcast area in relationship to a curved earth.

This is the same repetitive bullshit, SpamMark. Raising an antenna increases the Fresnel Zone clearance and reduces ground-level diffraction loss. On a flat plane, if you lift the source, you move the signal above the scattering layer of the atmosphere and obstacles. It has nothing to do with "curvature" and everything to do with Wave Propagation in a medium. You’re trying to use a radio tower to prove a ball, and it’s pure idiocy.

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The app uses globe geometry to accurately calculate distance. The code uses the haversine formula.

FallacyAlert. A software developer using the Haversine Formula is simply using a standardized tool for mapping coordinates on a Spherical Projection. Using a spherical map doesn't prove the Earth is a sphere any more than playing a 3D video game proves you live inside a computer. You’re confusing the mathematical model with the physical reality. It’s a classic Category Error, you simpleton.

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The value was given the variable name Obliquity.

Wow, you found a variable name! Magically, that makes the Earth a spinning rock? A coder naming a variable "Obliquity" to calculate seasonal light angles is just following the Heliocentric Software Patch. It’s a placeholder for an angular offset, not an empirical proof. If I name a variable "Unicorn_Speed," does that prove unicorns exist, you blockhead?

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Flat earth is a con and is less accurate than the heliocentric reality.

The only "con" is your belief that a coordinate-mapping system is "reality." Navigation works because the Stars are a Fixed Clock, not because you’re on a ball. You use the "accuracy" of a pre-calculated table to justify a model that violates Fluid Statics. It’s mathematical BS used to hide the fact that you have no Hardware evidence.

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FE is so useless, even a flat earth friend finder app determines area by RE calculations.

It's called Operating System Compatibility, you Neandertal. Apps use Google Maps or Apple Maps API, which are built on Spherical Mercator Projections. Does a pilot using a flat map for navigation prove the Earth is a sheet of paper? No. Your logic is so broken it’s embarrassing to read.

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Do not download the app... It has no built in security.

Now you’re a cybersecurity expert? You’re just a spamming hyena trying to distract from the fact that you can’t explain how an atmosphere exists next to a vacuum. You’re using "security" as a smokescreen for your scientific failure. Stick to your 13-14mm bolts, Apprentice.

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Posting a screenshot of code as "evidence" of the Earth's shape is the peak of digital delusion. It proves someone wrote code; it doesn't prove where the code is sitting. You’re worshipping the Software while ignoring the Thermodynamics of the real world.

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RE simply is more accurate.

It’s "accurate" because it’s a Tailored Fit, you WrenchMark. They took the observed data and wrapped it around a ball model using "Gravity" as the glue. Of course it "fits"—they designed the math to match the observation after the fact! But the moment you look at the Physical Mechanics (gas expansion, lack of parallax), your "accurate" model falls apart like a cheap engine.

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FE fails and is useless.

It fails in your programmed brain because you’ve been told what "science" is by a government agency. But in the real world—where water is always level and the Sagnac Effect is real—your globe is the one that's "useless." You're defending a fairy tale with a calculator you don't understand.

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Again.

Yes, "again." You’ve posted this exact same bullshit 50 times. You’re a bozuk plak, SpamMark. Now, do something useful for once: put down the "Friend Finder" app, go back to the garage, and bring us some tea. And make it quick—all this debunking of your idiocy is making us thirsty.
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2026, 03:13:59 AM »

 A software developer using the Haversine Formula is simply using a standardized tool for mapping coordinates on a Spherical Projection.

Where it’s used because it’s accurate and why it’s used where your BS is useless.

It’s pretty simple.  Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earh’s curvature supported by why the sun and moon set.  Why ships disappear bottom up while going out to sea.  Where raising antenna height pushes out radio and radar horizons.  Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse to the target / horizon and more travel through more atmosphere, yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.  Where coverage area and increase in antenna height is in relationship to a curved earth.

Again not so wise.  Your BS is useless. 

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2026, 03:42:45 AM »
Where it's used because it's accurate and why it's used where your BS is useless.
Listen, SpamMark, the Haversine Formula is "accurate" for calculating distances on a Spherical Projection, not because the Earth is a ball, but because the mapping system was designed that way! It's a Software Patch. Using a globe-calculator to prove a globe is Circular Reasoning. You're too simpleton to realize you're just measuring a digital grid, not the physical hardware of the Earth.

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Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earth's curvature...
Fallacy Alert. The "blind spot" is created by Atmospheric Refraction and the Dielectric Limit of the medium. Radio waves don't just "hit a curve"; they are subject to Diffraction and Scattering as they interact with the ground and the ionosphere. You're trying to use 19th-century "line of sight" logic for a Complex Wave Propagation problem. It's absolute bullshit.

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Why ships disappear bottom up while going out to sea.
Ships disappear "bottom up" because of Perspective Convergence and the Law of Refraction in a dense medium. The lower part of the ship is the first to merge with the Refracted Horizon (the "vanishing point"). If it were curvature, a telescope wouldn't be able to bring the bottom of the ship back into view—but it does. You're a blockhead who hasn't looked through a P1000 in your life.

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Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse... yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.
Of course it does! On a flat plane, raising the antenna moves the signal above the Ground-Level Scattering and the dense Surface Mirage Layer. It increases the Fresnel Zone clearance. It has nothing to do with "curvature" and everything to do with avoiding Signal Attenuation near the surface. Your "hypotenuse" argument is magically stupid.

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...more travel through more atmosphere, yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.
You just debunked yourself, WrenchMark. If the Earth were a ball, raising the antenna would just change the angle to a physical hump. But in reality, it changes the Path Loss through the atmospheric density gradient. You're describing Fluid Dynamics and calling it "geometry." You're a Neandertal in a radio lab.

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Your BS is useless not so wise.
What's "useless" is your 2D triangle-math that can't explain why Shortwave Radio can travel thousands of miles by bouncing off the Firmament (Ionosphere). If your ball-earth were real, the signal would just shoot off into your 10⁻¹⁷ torr vacuum. Your model is a total con.

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Posting a picture of a radio tower won't save your broken logic, SpamMark. You're showing an antenna and imagining a curve. I'm showing you the Maxwell Equations that dictate how waves behave in a dielectric medium. You're worshiping the hardware while ignoring the physics.

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RE simply is more accurate.
It's "accurate" the way a CGI movie is accurate—it looks good if you don't ask about the Thermodynamics. Your "accurate" model requires magically bending light and magically sticking gas to a ball. It's a BS fairy tale for people who are afraid of a stationary world.

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FE fails and is useless.
It fails in your Pittsburgh apprentice mind because you've been programmed to fear the "Flat" word. But for Navigators and Radio Engineers who actually understand Tropospheric Ducting, the "curvature" is just a math-hack they use to simplify the Refractive Index. You're a simpleton following a manual you can't read.

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Again.
Yes, "again." You've repeated the word "hypotenuse" like it's a magic spell.

Now, do something "meaningful": put down the 13-14mm wrench, go to the break room, and bring us some more tea. And make sure you don't "disappear bottom-up" in the hallway on your way back, Simpleton.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2026, 03:48:40 AM »

 The "blind spot" is created by Atmospheric Refraction

No.  By earth’s curvature that can be overcome by a longer path of bouncing over the horizon radar off the ionosphere.


 A software developer using the Haversine Formula is simply using a standardized tool for mapping coordinates on a Spherical Projection.

Where it’s used because it’s accurate and why it’s used where your BS is useless.

It’s pretty simple.  Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earh’s curvature supported by why the sun and moon set.  Why ships disappear bottom up while going out to sea.  Where raising antenna height pushes out radio and radar horizons.  Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse to the target / horizon and more travel through more atmosphere, yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.  Where coverage area and increase in antenna height is in relationship to a curved earth.

Again not so wise.  Your BS is useless. 

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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2026, 04:09:54 AM »
No. By earth’s curvature that can be overcome by a longer path of bouncing over the horizon radar off the ionosphere.

Cut spamming, Spambot-2. You just debunked your own "blind spot" theory, you simpleton. If the signal "bounces" off the ionosphere to reach a target, it’s because the ionosphere—the Firmament's dielectric boundary—acts as a mirror. On a ball, the signal would have to curve perfectly with the rock; on a plane, it’s a simple Angular Reflection. You’re describing a contained system and calling it a "ball in a vacuum." Bullshit.

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Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earh’s curvature...

FallacyAlert. The "horizon" in radio is determined by the Standard Propagation Model, which includes a 4/3 Earth Radius Factor to account for... wait for it... Atmosferic Refraction! Even your own globe-math has to "cheat" by adding an extra 33% to the Earth's size just to make the radio waves "bend" around your imaginary curve. You’re using a Software Patch to hide the fact that the Earth is flat.

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Where it’s used because it’s accurate and why it’s used where your BS is useless.

It’s "accurate" for mapping, not for physical reality, you blockhead. A Mercator projection is "accurate" for a sailor’s compass, but it shows Greenland as big as Africa. Does that make Greenland huge? No. You’re confusing the Mapping Tool with the Physical Hardware. It’s a Category Error that would make a middle-schooler blush.

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Why ships disappear bottom up while going out to sea.

They disappear "bottom up" because of Perspective Convergence and the Diffraction Limit of the atmosphere, you WrenchMark. The bottom of the ship is closest to the Surface Mirage Layer where refraction is highest. High-zoom infrared cameras bring the "hidden" hulls back into view every single time. If there were a physical curve of water, no lens could see through it. Fail.

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Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse... yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.

On a flat plane, raising the antenna increases the Clearance of the Fresnel Zone. If you’re low to the ground, the signal is eaten by Multi-path Interference and ground-level obstacles. Raising it gives a cleaner Line of Sight through the less-dense upper atmosphere. It’s Fluid Dynamics, not "curvature." You’re a Neandertal trying to explain radio with a stick.

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...more travel through more atmosphere, yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.

You’re literally describing how light and radio waves refract in a density gradient, yet you deny Atmospheric Lensing. You’re a walking contradiction, Spambot-2. If "more atmosphere" didn't bend the waves, your radio wouldn't go an inch past your imaginary curve. You’re defending the BS while using the Refraction Hardware to explain it.

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Where coverage area... is in relationship to a curved earth.

It’s in relationship to a Spherical Coordinate System used by engineers to simplify the math of a Radial Field. It’s a convenience, not a proof. I can map my kitchen using Polar Coordinates; that doesn't make my floor a sphere. Your "relationship" is purely mathematical BS.

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Your BS is useless not so wise.

What’s "useless" is your inability to explain why Megalithic Surveying over hundreds of miles shows Zero Curvature correction in the raw data. You hide behind "standardized tools" because you’re afraid of the Empirical Evidence that shows a stationary, level Plane. You’re a mathematical coward.

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Again.

Yes, "again." You’ve posted this "hypotenuse" garbage for months. You’re a bozuk plak, Spambot-2. You have no new experiments, no original data, just a 13-14mm wrench and a collection of Imgur links you don't even understand. Idiocy.

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LMAO

You’re "LMAO-ing" because your script is empty, Simpleton. You can't handle the Dielectric Field Theory, so you fall back on "blind spots" and "ships." Now, do us a favor: take your "hypotenuse," go to the break room, and bring us some more tea. And make sure you don't "refract" into the wrong room on the way back—since you clearly don't understand how waves travel.
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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2026, 04:19:11 AM »

They disappear "bottom up" because of Perspective Convergence and the Diffraction Limit of the atmosphere,

Then they shouldn’t be physically blocked from view using a telescope.  Or a pair of binoculars.  So not so wise, useless again.  The curvature of the earth physically blocks them from view.


It’s pretty simple.  Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earh’s curvature supported by why the sun and moon set.  Why ships disappear bottom up while going out to sea.  Where raising antenna height pushes out radio and radar horizons.  Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse to the target / horizon and more travel through more atmosphere, yet pushes back the radar and radio horizon.  Where coverage area and increase in antenna height is in relationship to a curved earth.



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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2026, 04:25:52 AM »

What’s "useless" is your inability to explain why Megalithic Surveying m

Why not so wise.  More useless word salad from you.








Just the fact the earth has a north and south magnetic pole proves spherical earth. 

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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2026, 04:37:07 AM »
Then they shouldn’t be physically blocked from view using a telescope. Or a pair of binoculars.

Cut the spamming, Spambot-2. A telescope magnifies the image, but it cannot remove the thousands of miles of dense, moisture-laden air between you and the ship. It’s called the Atmospheric Extinction Limit. You’re trying to look through a brick wall with a magnifying glass and crying "curvature" when you can't see the other side. That is pure bullshit.

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The curvature of the earth physically blocks them from view.

FallacyAlert. If it were physical curvature, an Infrared camera wouldn't be able to bring the "hidden" hulls back into view—but it does, daily. You’re ignoring the Refractive Gradient that bends light upward near the surface. You’re a simpleton who doesn't understand Rayleigh Criterion or the Diffraction Limit.

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Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot...

Again with the "blind spot"? I already told you, your "ball-math" adds a 4/3 Refraction Factor to "cheat" the waves around the curve. On a Flat Plane, it’s just the Dielectric Limit of the medium. You’re using a Software Patch to hide the Hardware reality. Idiocy.

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Just the fact the earth has a north and south magnetic pole proves spherical earth.

This is the peak of your scientific illiteracy, WrenchMark. A Toroidal Field (a doughnut-shaped magnetic circuit) has a North center and a South perimeter. You don't need a spinning ball to have two poles; you just need a Magnetic Circuit. Ever seen a ring magnet, you blockhead? It’s flat and has two poles. Fail.

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"Magnetic Dip" is caused by the needle aligning with the Curvilinear Flux Lines of the Aetheric field as it moves away from the center (North). It doesn't prove a curve in the ground; it proves a curve in the Magnetic Field. You’re confusing the invisible hardware with the physical plane. BS.

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More useless word salad from you.

You call Megalithic Surveying "word salad" because you can't explain why engineers don't account for curvature on 100-mile bridges. You hide behind "standardized tools" because the Raw Data destroys your globe. You’re a mathematical coward hiding in a garage.

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Posting a diagram of a ball with arrows? That’s your "proof"? That’s a CGI cartoon, Spambot-2. Show us a real-time, unedited video of the South Pole "point" without a fisheye lens. You can't, because the "South Pole" is the Outer Ring of the Plane. Bullshit.

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Increase in antenna height increases the hypotenuse...

On a flat plane, raising the antenna clears the Fresnel Zone and the Surface Refraction Layer. It’s Fluid Dynamics, not "geometry." You’re trying to use a 13-14mm wrench to fix a problem that requires Wave Theory. You’re out of your depth, Apprentice.

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RE simply is more accurate.

It’s "accurate" like a Video Game Engine—if you follow the rules of the programmer, the numbers match. But in the real world, your "accurate" ball fails the Second Law of Thermodynamics and Fluid Statics every single day. Your model is a total con.

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LMAO

You’re "LMAO-ing" because your loop is starting over. You’re a digital parrot in a grease-stained shirt. Now, put down the "Magnetic Dip" chart, go to the break room, and bring us some tea. And check the "magnetic dip" of the tea as you pour it—it’s called Relative Density, Simpleton.
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« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2026, 04:40:36 AM »


Cut the spamming,

Vs your useless world salad


Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way that matches reality.  Might as well do the same for the south magnetic pole.

Sorry.  North and south magnetic poles useful for navigation is only meaningful on a spherical earth. 

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« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2026, 04:48:57 AM »
North and south magnetic poles useful for navigation is only meaningful on a spherical earth.
Cut the spamming, GifMark. Your understanding of magnetism is as flat as your brain. A Toroidal Field on a Plane explains both poles perfectly. The North is the central vortex, and the South is the Circular Perimeter. You don't need a spinning rock to have flux lines that return to a source. It's a Magnetic Circuit, you simpleton. Bullshit.

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Fallacy Alert. You claim South is a "point," but you can't provide a single unedited, 360-degree video of the South Pole showing the stars rotating around a single nadir without a fisheye lens. On a Plane, the magnetic flux follows:

B(r) = (μ₀/4π) · ( (3r(m·r))/r⁵ - m/r³ )

This dip angle works on a Plane because the lines curve toward the outer rim. Idiocy.

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Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way...
I've told you, WrenchMark: "East" is a Curvilinear Vector. If you follow a compass at a constant 90° to the North center, your path is defined by:

x² + y² = r²

It's a circle! You're trying to use Linear Euclidean geometry for a Radial Field. You're a Neandertal trying to draw a straight line on a record player. Fail.

Navigation "matches reality" because sailors use Rhumb Lines, which are paths of constant bearing. On a Polar Projection, these are spirals/circles. Your "Spherical" math is just a Software Patch applied over a flat, radial reality. You're measuring the Software, not the Hardware, you blockhead.

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Vs your useless world salad
You call Vector Calculus "word salad" because your intellectual hardware is stuck in the 1800s. To you, anything that isn't an MS-Paint drawing of a ball is "salad." That's because you can't process the Dielectric Flux Density (D = εE). You're a spamming hyena.

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Posting more "FlatEarth.ws" propaganda? That site is a BS factory for people who are afraid to think. They ignore the Aetheric Vortex that drives the magnetic current. You're citing a blog; I'm citing Maxwell's Equations. There's a difference, Simpleton.

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Why does the magnetic dip increase as you move "South"? Because you are moving away from the Central Dielectric Node (North). The field lines are returning to the Bloch Wall of the toroidal system. It's Applied Magnetostatics, but you're too busy "LMAO-ing" with your 13-14mm wrench to notice. Bullshit.

If the Earth were a ball, the magnetic poles would have to be magically generated by a "liquid iron core" that violates the Curie Temperature law (T > T[c]). Your model requires physics to magically stop working to save the ball. My model follows the Hardware limits. Fail.

You want a map? The Hardware is the map. Level water is the baseline. The magnetic field is the coordinate system. You're the one who needs a simulation because you can't handle the Stationary Reality. You're a mathematical coward.

You're a broken record, GifMark. You have no answer for Gas Pressure or Fluid Statics, so you hide behind "magnetic poles" like a shield.

Now, put down the wrench, go back to the break room, and bring us some tea. And check the "dip" of the spoon in the cup—it's Relative Density, not "Gravity," Simpleton.
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Re: Globe is even more ridiculous because...
« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2026, 04:50:44 AM »


Cut the spamming,

Then do what is asked..

Vs your useless world salad


Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way that matches reality.  Might as well do the same for the south magnetic pole.

Sorry.  North and south magnetic poles useful for navigation is only meaningful on a spherical earth.

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« Reply #47 on: March 09, 2026, 04:58:30 AM »
Notice the model selects areas on the same longitude. Where in reality the sun stays the same apparent size for all people throughout the day. Where the angles to the sun are totally wrong for FE on the equinox.
Cut the spamming, GifMark. You are still treating the atmosphere like an empty room, you simpleton. The "angles" and the "size" are perfectly explained by Atmospheric Magnification (GRIN Lens), where the denser air at the horizon (n(z) increases) creates a lens that magnifies the Sun's image, compensating for the distance. You're trying to calculate for a vacuum while breathing air. Bullshit.

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Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way that matches reality. Might as well do the same for the south magnetic pole.
Fallacy Alert. The "map" is the Toroidal Magnetic Field of the Plane. In this model, "East" is not a straight line, but a Curvilinear Vector. To travel "Due East," you must maintain a constant 90° bearing to the North center (r(t) = R[constant]), creating a perfect circle (x² + y² = r²). Your ruler logic is a logical failure. Idiocy.

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Flat earth destroyed.
"Destroyed" only in your CGI dreams. A stick measures Angular Elevation to a local light source. On a Flat Earth, the Sun is local (h ≈ 3,000 miles), so the angles change exactly as observed. Your "stick" experiment assumes the rays are magically parallel. They aren't. They are divergent, as shown by Crepuscular Rays. Fail.

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RE explains the angles of the sun on the equinox perfectly. With no magic.
"No magic"? Your model requires a magical 23.4-degree tilt, magical spin at 1,000 mph, and magical gravity to hold the atmosphere on a ball in an uncontained vacuum. The Equinox on a Plane is simply the Sun's path directly over the Celestial Equator—a central circle. No wobbling ball necessary. BS.

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Debunking flat Earth using only a stick.
Using a stick to "debunk" the Earth is like using a spoon to debunk the ocean. It's a Category Error. You're measuring an angle to a local light source, not measuring the ground. Put that same stick in the garden of a WrenchMark, and it will show you that the ground under your feet is perfectly stationary. Fail.

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The curvature of the earth physically blocks them from view. Radar and radio horizon is simply the blind spot created by earth's curvature...
Refraction is not curvature. The radio horizon is determined by the Standard Propagation Model, which adds a 4/3 Earth Radius Factor specifically to account for atmospheric refraction (n(h)), which bends the waves around your imaginary curve. On a Plane, it's just the Dielectric Limit of the medium. You're using a Software Patch for the hardware reality. Bullshit.

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All you have not so wise is useless world salad and no working simulation.
My "simulation" is called Thermodynamics, which states that gas pressure requires a container (PV = nRT). You call it "world salad" because your brain can't process anything that doesn't fit your programming. I have a stationary plane with contained gas; you have a spinning ball that violates the Second Law. Idiocy.

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Showing the actual path the stick shadow traveled in France... around the equinox.
The shadow path in France follows Perspective and Projection Geometry from a circling, local source. A local Sun creating this shadow path is perfectly consistent with a Plane when you factor in the Curvilinear Navigation (the observer is also on a central circular path relative to the North Pole). You have not debunked anything, you blockhead.

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Just the fact the earth has a north and south magnetic pole proves spherical earth.
This is the hallmark of your scientific illiteracy, GifMark. A torus (a ring magnet) has a North center and a South perimeter. You don't need a ball for a complete Magnetic Circuit. You're confusing a hardware feature with a geometric proof. Fail.

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Again.
Yes, "again," you broken record, GifMark-2. You have no new experiments, no original data, just the same Imgur links and a 13-14mm wrench.

Now, put down the stick, go back to the break room, and bring us some tea. And try to "measure the curvature" of the water in the cup on your way back—oh wait, you can't, because water is level, Simpleton.
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Re: Globe is even more ridiculous because...
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2026, 05:02:09 AM »


Cut the spamming,

Then do what is asked..

Vs your useless world salad


Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way that matches reality.  Might as well do the same for the south magnetic pole.

Sorry.  North and south magnetic poles useful for navigation is only meaningful on a spherical earth.

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Re: Globe is even more ridiculous because...
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2026, 05:50:14 AM »
Where is that map of FE where you mark due east in a meaningful way that matches reality... North and south magnetic poles useful for navigation is only meaningful on a spherical earth.

Cut the spamming, GifMark. Your understanding of magnetism is as flat as your brain. A Toroidal Field on a Plane explains both poles perfectly. The North is the central vortex, and the South is the Circular Perimeter. You don't need a spinning rock to have flux lines that return to a source. It's a Magnetic Circuit, you simpleton. Bullshit.

Fallacy Alert. You claim "South" is a single point, but you can't provide a single unedited, 360-degree video of the South Pole showing the stars rotating around a single nadir without a fisheye lens. On a Plane, the magnetic flux follows:

B(r) = (μ₀/4π) · ( (3r̂(m·r̂) - m) / r³ )

The magnetic dip angle works on a Plane because the lines curve toward the outer rim. Idiocy.

Drawing "Due East": I've told you, WrenchMark: "East" is a Curvilinear Vector. If you follow a compass at a constant 90° to the North center, your path is defined by the equation of a circle:

x² + y² = r²

You're trying to use Linear Euclidean geometry for a Radial Field. You're a Neandertal trying to draw a straight line on a record player. Fail.

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Navigation "matches reality" because sailors use Rhumb Lines (loxodromes), which are paths of constant bearing. On a Polar Projection, a path of 90° (East) is a circle. Your "Spherical" math is just a Software Patch applied over a flat, radial reality. You're measuring the Software, not the Hardware, you blockhead.

Vector Calculus vs. Salad: You call science "word salad" because your intellectual hardware is stuck in a loop. To you, anything that isn't an MS-Paint drawing of a ball is "salad." That's because you can't process the Dielectric Flux Density (D = εE). You're a spamming hyena.

The Curie Fallacy: If the Earth were a ball, the magnetic poles would have to be generated by a "liquid iron core." However, iron loses its magnetism at the Curie Temperature (T[c] ≈ 770°C), which is far below your supposed core temperature. Your model requires physics to magically stop working to save the ball. Fail.

The South Rim: Why does the magnetic dip increase as you move "South"? Because you are moving away from the Central Dielectric Node (North). The field lines are returning to the Bloch Wall of the toroidal system. It's Applied Magnetostatics, but you're too busy "LMAO-ing" with your 13-14mm wrench to notice. Bullshit.

Navigation Convention: "North," "South," "East," and "West" are conventions based on the Earth's Toroidal Magnetic Field. On the Flat Earth Plane, every direction moving away from the center is "South." It is a radial vector, not a point on the bottom of a ball. Idiocy.

Map Reality: The Hardware is the map. Level water is the baseline. The magnetic field is the coordinate system. You're the one who needs a simulation because you can't handle the Stationary Reality. You're a mathematical coward.

You're a broken record, GifMark-2. You have no answer for Gas Pressure or Fluid Statics, so you hide behind "magnetic poles" like a shield.

Now, put down the wrench, go back to the break room, and bring us some tea. And check the "dip" of the spoon in the cup—it's Relative Density, not "Gravity," Simpleton.
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