Proof of flat earth

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Proof of flat earth
« on: July 01, 2024, 07:36:47 PM »
I just watched a documentary highlighting Mark Sargent and would welcome simple proof that the Earth is indeed flat. I grew up near Denver, Co and think it is an ideal location to do a simple experiment that would offer real evidence of flatness or roundness. It goes like this. Given adequate optics, if the world is flat then if a view point rises above the level of immediate object in line of sight then the furthest object that could be seen would be the furthest edge of the Earth. Right? At the very least there would be no difference between the furthest object from 150 ft in elevation and 500 ft. That is simple geometry.
Well, the Denver area has a very flat surface going East from the mountains and roads that go up adjacent mountains, which gives a great location for testing that simple geometry. So one could go halfway up Flagstaff mountain above Boulder and use a telephoto lens to shoot a pic due East. Then go up to the top of the mountain to another viewpoint and take another one. They should reveal the same most distant object if the earth is truly flat.
Even better, repeat the same experiment from the base of Pikes Peak, halfway up and at the top--12,000+ ft. up. That would erase minor undulations in ultimate flatness and offer some real, verifiable evidence of flatness if true and refute claims of flatness if there are significant differences in the furthest object that can be seen due to differences in elevation. Right?
I would do this if I still lived near the Front Range and submit my results, but sadly I moved away. As a photographer I have the equipment but surely many believers have similar equipment and opportunity. Even locations with space needles could offer similar experimental locations. Who is willing to take on this experiment and post the results?

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2024, 12:55:59 AM »
I just watched a documentary highlighting Mark Sargent and would welcome simple proof that the Earth is indeed flat. I grew up near Denver, Co and think it is an ideal location to do a simple experiment that would offer real evidence of flatness or roundness. It goes like this. Given adequate optics, if the world is flat then if a view point rises above the level of immediate object in line of sight then the furthest object that could be seen would be the furthest edge of the Earth. Right? At the very least there would be no difference between the furthest object from 150 ft in elevation and 500 ft. That is simple geometry.
Well, the Denver area has a very flat surface going East from the mountains and roads that go up adjacent mountains, which gives a great location for testing that simple geometry. So one could go halfway up Flagstaff mountain above Boulder and use a telephoto lens to shoot a pic due East. Then go up to the top of the mountain to another viewpoint and take another one. They should reveal the same most distant object if the earth is truly flat.
Even better, repeat the same experiment from the base of Pikes Peak, halfway up and at the top--12,000+ ft. up. That would erase minor undulations in ultimate flatness and offer some real, verifiable evidence of flatness if true and refute claims of flatness if there are significant differences in the furthest object that can be seen due to differences in elevation. Right?
I would do this if I still lived near the Front Range and submit my results, but sadly I moved away. As a photographer I have the equipment but surely many believers have similar equipment and opportunity. Even locations with space needles could offer similar experimental locations. Who is willing to take on this experiment and post the results?

The ‘looks flat therefore must be flat’ argument only goes to demonstrate the extreme shallowness of such thinking. To do this you need to forget about the rest of reality, block it off and just focus on what you see and then not do any thinking about the nature of what you are actually looking at.

What reality are you ignoring? The impossibility of a  small near sun, the need for a complex global conspiracy, the dismissal of gravity and how a solar system could have formed under this flat earth belief and ultimately the impossibility of life arising on a flat planet. You ignore all this because you think from your incredible small field of view ‘it look flat’

Given the size of our planet and our relative  small size it of course  it has to  follow that any view we have of the earth at ground level, our limited  field of view must present the world as looking flat. How could it be any other way?

The main ingredient required to conclude it must be flat from it looking flat is gross stupidity.
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Now that is a laugh!

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2024, 03:04:34 AM »
Shrugs..


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain


https://flatearth.ws/horizon-dip



https://flatearth.ws/bonneville

Sun sets

Dip of the horizon

Lunar eclipse

Solar eclipse

Boats disappear bottom up

Polaris (North Star) blocked by earth’s curvature in the southern hemisphere

South means something

Simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate

Tides

Comets

Jupiter and its moons

International Space Station

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Apple Scruff

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2024, 12:50:23 AM »
Shrugs..


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain


https://flatearth.ws/horizon-dip



https://flatearth.ws/bonneville

Sun sets

Dip of the horizon

Lunar eclipse

Solar eclipse

Boats disappear bottom up

Polaris (North Star) blocked by earth’s curvature in the southern hemisphere

South means something

Simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate

Tides

Comets

Jupiter and its moons

International Space Station

How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.



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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2024, 02:26:24 AM »
How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.
What do you need to have explained?

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2024, 05:33:37 AM »
Shrugs..


https://flatearth.ws/pontchartrain


https://flatearth.ws/horizon-dip



https://flatearth.ws/bonneville

Sun sets

Dip of the horizon

Lunar eclipse

Solar eclipse

Boats disappear bottom up

Polaris (North Star) blocked by earth’s curvature in the southern hemisphere

South means something

Simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate

Tides

Comets

Jupiter and its moons

International Space Station

How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.



I didn’t know I posted about the bridge.

Care to address what was posted..

Can you explain the lake Pontchartrain power line towers already provided.  Or dip of the horizon, or why a simple dial star atlas of the southern hemisphere is accurate in predicting the southern hemisphere’s night sky.  You know, not ignoring what was already provided. 

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2024, 05:44:47 AM »

How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.


?  You mean the “Hong Kong-Zhuhai-Macao bridge” and not the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge?

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Apple Scruff

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2024, 05:48:07 AM »
How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.
What do you need to have explained?

What were the size of the struts/pillars that was built to cover the curvature of the earth, they must have been massive. ;D

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2024, 05:49:45 AM »
How do you explain the Danyang–Kunshan Grand Bridge.
What do you need to have explained?

What were the size of the struts/pillars that was built to cover the curvature of the earth, they must have been massive. ;D


Dude.  You didn’t provide a picture of the bridge you posted about.  You provided a picture of the wrong bridge.


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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2024, 05:59:53 AM »


What


You your realize you posted blatantly false arguments in like three threads now.

The wrong photo of a bridge in this thread.


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What else could they be hitting ?

Real sprite




vs your sprite?




From your video.  Space and stars above the “dome”?



The blow wasn’t you I guess Apple Scruff, but what’s a lie among flat earther’s.  Highlights how flat earth is based on lies and false arguments.


Stars and planets can be observed through the Moon:


What’s the time stamp for a planet?

Anyway.

This guy is using extreme zooming.  You don’t need to extreme zoom for stars.  You need long exposure/correct exposure to make stars visible.

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HOW TO SEE AND PHOTOGRAPH GEOSYNCHRONOUS SATELLITES



This photo was taken from my yard on September 12th at 10:23 p.m. The Amazonas series are Spanish telecommunications satellites; the Echostars are used by DISH Network.
Bob King

https://skyandtelescope.org/observing/how-to-see-and-photograph-geosynchronous-satellites/


The steaks are stars.  No extreme zooming by the size of the trees.


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The Milky Way in El Chaltén, Argentina near Laguna Torre. 20mm, f/2.8, 30s, ISO3200.

https://lightmindedtours.com/photographing-a-starry-night-sky/


This?  And the extreme zooming.  You can tell by the way the moon becomes pixelated.



Extreme zooming is what you do when you want to find pixel noise.

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Hot, Dead, or Stuck: Defining Pixel Problems

https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/what-is-a-hot-pixel-and-how-can-you-remove-one/

You posted a video of a guy extreme zooming and getting confused by pixel noise/ pixel problems.  Sorry, he wasn’t finding stars. If the image was exposed long enough to resolve stars, the moon would be white washed with overexposure.


This is my own image.  Where are any stars.



The moon is too bright so there isn’t any stars in the image because the stars are under developed.  About any photo of the moon where the moon is correctly exposed is not going to be a long enough exposure to render stars visible in the image.

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Re: Proof of flat earth
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2024, 03:21:16 PM »
What were the size of the struts/pillars that was built to cover the curvature of the earth, they must have been massive. ;D
So what you want explained is your wilful misrepresentation?

Again, highlight just what you think the issue is.
Try it with a diagram.
As a reminder, bridges are not built as perfectly straight lines, nor are such large bridges built as a single span.

So again, what needs to be explained?
What do you mean by your pure BS of "cover the curvature of the earth"?
Just what needs to be covered?