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silvermoon

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The earth is clearly flat...
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2007, 02:56:39 AM »
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein. He was sure the earth is round, no doubts. You need new physics to explain the FE-model..
Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible?? Can you explain this acceleration? I suppose no, your explanations are like "It must be so, otherwise our FE-model doesnt work"..
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BOGWarrior89

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2007, 09:18:04 AM »
Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein. He was sure the earth is round, no doubts. You need new physics to explain the FE-model..
Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible?? Can you explain this acceleration? I suppose no, your explanations are like "It must be so, otherwise our FE-model doesnt work"..


Simple: we're all in the same reference frame, so, to us, there is no diference in acceleration, but someone in a different frame of reference would see something very different.
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Masterchef

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2007, 09:24:13 AM »
Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein.

I think you should don't talk about English.

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He was sure the earth is round, no doubts.

Really, was he a friend of yours?

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You need new physics to explain the FE-model..

Because Einstein believed the Earth was round, we can't use his theories? We don't need new theories, especially if the old ones can be applied to a Flat Earth.

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Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

Unless of course it doesn't exist. Which it doesn't.
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TheEngineer

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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2007, 09:47:20 AM »
Quote from: "silvermoon"

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible??


1.  Circular motion.
2.  Relativity prevents it.
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EvilToothpaste

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Seriously...
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2007, 09:49:06 AM »
I think there's going to have to be a tutorial on relativity stickied in the "information repository."
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Sanirius

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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2007, 09:50:18 AM »
Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein. He was sure the earth is round, no doubts. You need new physics to explain the FE-model..
Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible?? Can you explain this acceleration? I suppose no, your explanations are like "It must be so, otherwise our FE-model doesnt work"..


it is possible to keep approachin a point without ever reaching it.
for example: take one meter, then split it in half, and again, and again and again..... you can keep going forever. there's allways something left to split in half
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2007, 12:26:44 PM »
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Ok all you raging RE'ing lunatics out there.  How about tackling this brain buster.  So, we all know that the equivlence principle of general relativity states that mass and energy curve space time, which means that the "gravitational force" we feel is nothing more than a tendancy to follow a straight path.  As a result gravitational fields have equivlent accelerating refrence frames, at least in a differential limit.  Additionaly, it is a result of classical electrodynamics that accelerating charged particles radiate.  So, why do charged objects held motionless in a gravitational field not radiate?  Indeed, I did a quick calculation and found that they should produce ultra low RF radiation in earth's field, which is not detected.  why? WHY? Therefore the earth is flat.  Or how about this argument, you cannot disprove that government officials put computer chips inside of our heads, which make us percieve a round earth.  You also cannot disprove that flying purple monkys on crack created the universe.  Flat-earth forever...


I can't answer most of it as i dont claim to know that much about physics yet, but if government officials put computer chips inside everyone's heads, why do you not perceive the earth as round? If the government was able to conceal a conspiracy for so long, I doubt they'd be foolish enough to not properly test these computer chips before they put them into people's heads. Another thing, how would this government be able to stick such a chip into everyone's heads when they are born?
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anti-matter

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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2007, 09:56:49 PM »
Hey, "Me"  ... I don't actualy believe that garbage.  I was  simply playing devils advocate.  To tell the truth I am a physics student.  However, that general relativity paradox is an actual paradox that I learned in my general relativity class.  It does have a solution and a rather beutiful one at that.  I'll keep my mouth shut for a bit though and see if you guys can figure it out.  After observing this site for a few days, I have been reminded about the importance of education.  With a solid foundation in the natural sciences no one would ever believe this trash.  Actually, on both sides I have observed a large amount of incorrect science.  Physics is truly beutiful and I encourage everyone to study it for themselves, whether in academia or independently.
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silvermoon

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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2007, 10:08:20 PM »
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Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein.

I think you should don't talk about English.

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He was sure the earth is round, no doubts.

Really, was he a friend of yours?

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You need new physics to explain the FE-model..

Because Einstein believed the Earth was round, we can't use his theories? We don't need new theories, especially if the old ones can be applied to a Flat Earth.

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Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

Unless of course it doesn't exist. Which it doesn't.


Show me where I talk about english!
Yes, Einstein IS a friend of mine! He is not dead! This is only a lie told by the conspirators..
You need new physics because this we have doesnt work in FE-model!
Science is no religion. One day, gravity will be explained as well. Einstein just told me that right now!
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silvermoon

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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2007, 10:09:52 PM »
Quote from: "Sanirius"
Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein. He was sure the earth is round, no doubts. You need new physics to explain the FE-model..
Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible?? Can you explain this acceleration? I suppose no, your explanations are like "It must be so, otherwise our FE-model doesnt work"..


it is possible to keep approachin a point without ever reaching it.
for example: take one meter, then split it in half, and again, and again and again..... you can keep going forever. there's allways something left to split in half

Your example doesn work in the case of "accelerating to infinity"
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silvermoon

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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2007, 10:11:38 PM »
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Quote from: "silvermoon"

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible??


1.  Circular motion.
2.  Relativity prevents it.

I told you on other thread, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD THE RELATIVITY! So, dont talk about it!
Another FEer confirmed that the earth doesnt move circular, and you all FEers are the same opinion!
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silvermoon

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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2007, 10:12:57 PM »
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Quote from: "silvermoon"
Oh, I think you should dont talk about Einstein. He was sure the earth is round, no doubts. You need new physics to explain the FE-model..
Gravity cant still be explained, but one day it will be, for sure!

You can accelerate infinitely without reaching the light velocity ever?!? :shock: How is this possible?? Can you explain this acceleration? I suppose no, your explanations are like "It must be so, otherwise our FE-model doesnt work"..


Simple: we're all in the same reference frame, so, to us, there is no diference in acceleration, but someone in a different frame of reference would see something very different.

Yes, but what he sees depends on how/if he moves
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anti-matter

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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2007, 10:31:55 PM »
Silvermoon, I agree with you that a FE is bogus, but I think you might have over-looked two things. 1:  An object moving in a circular path with unchanging speed is accelerating towards the center of the circle. Therefore it is possible to accelerate forever without reaching the speed of light.  Now limit yourself to linear motion and suppose that a constant force is being applied to you.  As you speed up, your mass will increase.  Indeed, as you approach the speed of light your mass goes to infinity.  Thus, this "push" just doesn't cut it anymore and, while you are still accelerating, you will never reach the speed of light.  However, it is impossible to accelerate uniformly in a line forever, as presented by the FE theory, because you would theoreticaly surpass the speed of light, which is impossible.  It is a subtle diffrence.
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silvermoon

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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2007, 11:26:02 PM »
Thats right, but if the earth is moving circular, the center of the circle is out of the system (somewhere in space). They argue that we feel this acceleration, so we dont move with constant speed in a circle, we really accelerate constantly..So they explain why you are landing back on earth when you jump.. :lol:
Accelerating in a circular movement (not to the center) will also reach light speed...but  gigantic forces have to keep you in the orbit till that...
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BOGWarrior89

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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2007, 11:45:26 PM »
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As you speed up, your mass will increase.  Indeed, as you approach the speed of light your mass goes to infinity.  Thus, this "push" just doesn't cut it anymore and, while you are still accelerating, you will never reach the speed of light.  However, it is impossible to accelerate uniformly in a line forever, as presented by the FE theory, because you would theoreticaly surpass the speed of light, which is impossible.  It is a subtle difference.


Quick Question: Will you observe your mass to go up?  Kinda like, "If an electron could weigh itself, what would the scale say when it was moving at 95% the speed of light?"

Answer: The same as the rest mass of the electron.
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anti-matter

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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2007, 11:58:21 PM »
That's correct.  What I meant to say is this.  Say you have an electron.  You measure its mass while it is at rest in your refrence frame.  Suppose this mass, called the rest mass, is M(e).  Now, the electron speeds up with respect to your refrence frame.  To you, it will appear as if the electron's mass is increasing.  However, in the electron's refrence frame it is clearly at rest and its mass is M(e).
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