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Is there a need for the end of the earth in FE?

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Tom Bishop

Is there a need for the end of the earth in FE?
« on: January 11, 2007, 07:00:52 PM »
Dear reader,

As demonstrated by Samuel Rowbotham et. all, the world is undeniably flat.  One interesting question remains, however. What is at the edge of the world? Many FE proponents believe there would be a vast abyss of nothingness. The ocean is held in place by a cupping of the UA. Others believe the ice wall extends miles up into atmosphere, keeping it in. The majority believe the ice wall is actually Antarctica, stretched round the world, with its features intact.

The current FE model is as shown:



The landmass on the rim is Antarctica. The land of Antarctica extends hundreds of miles towards the rim before coming to a end. At this point we have no data. It is assumed the world ends completely. Looking over the edge will reveal the blackness of space.

While this idea is a strong possibility, I propose the possibility of Antarctic ice simply continuing indefinitely, just like the vastness of space does. This would turn the current coin model into an a flat plane model, which stretches indefinitely. Using this model no laws of physics are broken by the edge of the earth. There is no question of the atmosphere leaking outward into space.



This plane of the earth is accelerating upward by UA, simulating gravity. This is identical to the FE model. The acceleration was caused by the big bang, which is still happening everywhere in the universe.

Using this model we can explain why Antarctic explorers never saw the end of the earth on their excursions. This also explains why many Antarctic explorers went missing. The ones who did survive either followed their compass back to the north pole, or got lost somewhere along the way and made a course adjustment, coming back around in a semi-circle.

What do you think? Are there any pros or cons to this flat earth model I propose?
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 07:11:47 PM »
I think you're a fucking moron for supporting the second idea at all. That really shows how 12th century your feeble mind really is.

The world is not undeniably flat. Gimme solid proof, scientific and mathematical first before you make such claims.

Secondly, do you really think it's possible to have the world stretch on past "the edge"? Then what would the need for the Ice Wall be or even the gaurds?

Your silly theory has so many holes, it's not even funny.

Also, if the second model were even valid, that means the entire earth would take up the entire plane of the universe itself. Which is easily proved false by default with both physics, and common sense. If the plane kept going indefinitely, then how would we see any planets behind us in the orbital line up? None of the planets could follow their orbits either anyway.

The Antarctic explorers went missing because their equipment was inadequate for the time they did their exploration. I'd like to see you use early 20th century technology in the frigid environment of the ice continent.

The Big Bang is not happening everywhere in the universe. It is happening at the EDGE of the universe, big difference.

You're new model is complete fail. At least I could see some plausibility in the flat edged earth, but this new idea is ridiculous. It seriously defies ALL logic and physics, be them of RE or FE.

Do yourself a favor and go get laid, or ride a bike.. or... something..

God dammit, you make my head hurt.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 07:17:18 PM »
Hara,

You need to stop acting so high and mighty. As we've said to lesser posters in the past, the is the Flat Earth Society. Nobdy here is obligated to provide you with proof of anything. In this community, it is commonly accepted that the earth is flat. If you wish to discuss alternatives to this theory, you need to provide the proof. You were going along fine (although the constant fraks detract from your posts) discussing parts of the theory, but now you're just making demands and belittling people.

To save you some time: ALL the evidence of Flat Earth has been posted on this site. If you use the search function, and not just browse the first 5 threads in this forum, you may even see something you havent read before. Nobody is going to respond to you making demands, and even less if you talk down to people.

If you like, you can provide us with evidence of a round earth, and we'll be happy to discuss that with you.
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 07:19:27 PM »
If this were in fact the case, the universal accelerator idea would seem to be very unlikely, as an infinite earth has infinite mass and would require an infinite amount of energy every second to maintain a constant acceleration. It seems much more likely that gravity exists, and of course the gravity of an infinite plane pulls everything directly upwards, and gravitational forces would naturally cause it to maintain its shape the same way that gravitational forces cause the earth in the round-earth model to remain round.
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 07:27:05 PM »
Remember, your applying RE model physics to FE model physics, and that just wont do. These FE'ers are pretty picky when it comes to what laws they wish to obey and which they wish to disregard.

I belittle people because even though it is a society for FE people, that doesn't mean they are right. I have browsed most of the other sections last night, and started my arguments afterwards. I have provided proof, and even come to a few good conclusions using proper logic, gathering, and reason.

Now I'd like to be shown some real proof just as I shown you all, that the earth is indeed as flat as you say it is. Read my last most recent post as to my regards for reproducing the model in the actual universe.
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Re: Is there a need for the end of the earth in FE?
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 07:29:23 PM »
Quote from: "Tom Bishop"
Dear reader,

As demonstrated by Samuel Rowbotham et. all, the world is undeniably flat.  One interesting question remains, however. What is at the edge of the world? Many FE proponents believe there would be a vast abyss of nothingness. The ocean is held in place by a cupping of the UA. Others believe the ice wall extends miles up into atmosphere, keeping it in. The majority believe the ice wall is actually Antarctica, stretched round the world, with its features intact.


I'm not sure about that first part.  I have read the book online and there is little to no quantitative results from his experiments.  They very testable, and I think it would be interesting to put some modern day rigorous experiments behind the book.  

As for the rest of your idea, I actually think it's really cool, honestly. I find it much more believable that the "circular disk" idea.  If we just don't know all that space is there then it basically doesn't exist to us.  Stupid limited human mind.  

Everything humanity has thought about life and existence, and the world (and et cetera...), has been wrong before, so why should we think it is right this time?
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Re: Is there a need for the end of the earth in FE?
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 07:32:30 PM »
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Everything humanity has thought about life and existence, and the world (and et cetera...), has been wrong before, so why should we think it is right this time?


Because our technology which helps us understand the environment we live in grows at an exponential rate. And the tools we use become more and more accurate. I'd say that's a pretty good reason.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 07:32:50 PM »
I had an idea similar to this when I first came here, too. I proposed that it would also rule out the idea of a conspiracy, because when flying out into space, the infinite plane would--when observed from a distance--turn out looking like a sphere (it's just that when you got around to the "other side," it wouldn't be "the other side," it would be an entirely new side, if you will...).

I only left out a few things which didn't make sense on the model, because I couldn't come up with any ideas. One of which was how to emulate the acceleration component for gravity, which is a pretty big problem. I came up with some random stuff that kinda really didn't make sense, but that's really the only problem with the idea, as well as sattelites (I.E. why sattelites don't disappear entirely when they fly 'around' the 'globe').

But anyways...I'll try to find that thread...I made it quite a while ago. *shrug*


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Tom Bishop

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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 07:34:05 PM »
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If this were in fact the case, the universal accelerator idea would seem to be very unlikely, as an infinite earth has infinite mass and would require an infinite amount of energy.


Many scientists believe the Big Bang happened everywhere at once, and is still happening. You can see this acceleration by studying distant galaxies and measuring their relative speeds. Stephen hawking believes in an accelerating universe. One possibility for this acceleration is what scientists call "Dark Energy," an invisible force pushing the universe apart. In this case simply substitute UA for Dark Energy.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_universe

Since the Big Bang happened everywhere at once, and is still happening, one would suppose the Big Bang is capable of infinite energy. Certainly a possibility for an event capable of creating an entire universe, unlimited in power and scope.

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Likely gravity exists.


If gravity existed in my model wouldn't an infinite mass create an infinite pull, resulting in a black hole? Even if it didn't, certainly life could not exist with gravity that surpasses Jupiter's.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 07:37:33 PM »
You want to know why there's 'no data' for what's at the edge of the flat earth, yet there's plenty of data for what's at the 'edge' of the round earth? Because, *gasp*, the world isn't flat.

Doesn't this even strike you as a possiblity?
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Re: Is there a need for the end of the earth in FE?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 07:50:09 PM »
Quote from: "Hara Taiki"
Quote from: "EvilToothpaste"
Everything humanity has thought about life and existence, and the world (and et cetera...), has been wrong before, so why should we think it is right this time?


Because our technology which helps us understand the environment we live in grows at an exponential rate. And the tools we use become more and more accurate. I'd say that's a pretty good reason.


Exponential?  There is no limit to exponential growth.  In that sense, there is an infinite amount of knowledge we've never come across yet.  

I'm not saying we don't know anything right now.  Obviously we do, with computers and particle accelerators and what not.  I'm just saying that we do not KNOW what what we don't yet know.  Circular, I know.  Sue me.

If what we know is finite, then what we do not know is infinite.   (Is that how the quote goes?)
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 07:53:10 PM »
I guess, but that would support what I said about our technology exponentially expanding. With endless knowledge comes endless power.
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 07:54:21 PM »
The end of the world is Ragnarok, when the God have the final battle between good and evil. Thor, praise be upon him, will lose his life to the mighty Ice Giant, and his father, Odin, will also fall victim to the monumental clash. They will release dead warriors from Valhalla to fight their last battle. But like the Phoenix, a new age will rise from the ashes.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 07:54:32 PM »
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You want to know why there's 'no data' for what's at the edge of the flat earth, yet there's plenty of data for what's at the 'edge' of the round earth? Because, *gasp*, the world isn't flat.

Doesn't this even strike you as a possiblity?


It is a possibility, Circle.  But . . .

[sigh]

you can't PROVE it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 07:57:25 PM »
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I guess, but that would support what I said about our technology exponentially expanding. With endless knowledge comes endless power.


Yes, I don't disagree with you as a whole, just a few of the things you said.  

But we are never going to know everything.  Thus our knowledge will always be finite.  a.k.a. not-endless
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2007, 08:00:11 PM »
See, that's the paradox of both the human mind and the universe. If knowledge is infinite, then we of course will never know everything, because we'll always be discovering something new. This also opens up (going to go REAL off topic here) the possibility of expanding the human mind itself. We're bound to keep evolving, if we dont kill each other in the process, and so will the human brain. It will be able to hold the amount of data that we have collected about our environment as we keep on moving along.

So my statement stays true, with unlimited knowledge comes unlimited power.
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