Sunsets

*I do not believe in the flat earth theory, however I will if there is sufficient evidence*

My question is, how do you explain sunsets?

If I know the sun sets below the horizon,
and MY horizon is a portion of the earth,
then this must mean that when the sun sets, it is below me from MY perspective.

This does not work with a spotlight sun
Please explain

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

How would you explain the sun and the flat earth?

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

And they would be unable to defend their claims in any honest, rational way.
They need to explain why the sun appears to set below the horizon, complete with light from the sun going upwards.

*I do not believe in the flat earth theory, however I will if there is sufficient evidence*

My question is, how do you explain sunsets?

If I know the sun sets below the horizon,
and MY horizon is a portion of the earth,
then this must mean that when the sun sets, it is below me from MY perspective.

This does not work with a spotlight sun
Please explain

FEers claim that the atmosphere has special even unexplainable attributes:

• it bends light, so that objects appear in the line of sight but are not, e.g. at/near horizon: eye - foreground object like cities or mountains - sun; more than the maximum 0.5 degrees of atmospheric refraction near the horizon; or for the effect of illumination from below during sunrise and sunset, e.g. clouds or even the moon; in summer on the southern hemiplain south of 23 degrees south the sun appears during sunrise south of your east and/or disappears during sunset south of your west, although the sun circles physically north of you above the earth and therefore could not be south of you
• it reddens the light because of scattering, especially the bent light (see above); without the bending the light at rise or set would be less red, because compared to looking straight up the light would then only travel about 3 times as much through the atmosphere, instead of hundreds of times
• it zooms light, so that sun, moon, stars, etc. always have the same sizes, even when they are further away, i.e. at rise in the east or set in the west
• it amplifies light, so that sun, moon, stars, etc. always have the same brightness (except near the horizon, when the light is less bright and more red), even when they are further away and their light is zoomed by the atmosphere; it also amplifies indirect sunlight before sunrise and after sunset, otherwise the sky would be pitch black without a direct visible sun

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

*I do not believe in the flat earth theory, however I will if there is sufficient evidence*

My question is, how do you explain sunsets?

If I know the sun sets below the horizon,
and MY horizon is a portion of the earth,
then this must mean that when the sun sets, it is below me from MY perspective.

This does not work with a spotlight sun
Please explain

FEers claim that the atmosphere has special even unexplainable attributes:

• it bends light, so that objects appear in the line of sight but are not, e.g. at/near horizon: eye - foreground object like cities or mountains - sun; more than the maximum 0.5 degrees of atmospheric refraction near the horizon; or for the effect of illumination from below during sunrise and sunset, e.g. clouds or even the moon; in summer on the southern hemiplain south of 23 degrees south the sun appears during sunrise south of your east and/or disappears during sunset south of your west, although the sun circles physically north of you above the earth and therefore could not be south of you
• it reddens the light because of scattering, especially the bent light (see above); without the bending the light at rise or set would be less red, because compared to looking straight up the light would then only travel about 3 times as much through the atmosphere, instead of hundreds of times
• it zooms light, so that sun, moon, stars, etc. always have the same sizes, even when they are further away, i.e. at rise in the east or set in the west
• it amplifies light, so that sun, moon, stars, etc. always have the same brightness (except near the horizon, when the light is less bright and more red), even when they are further away and their light is zoomed by the atmosphere; it also amplifies indirect sunlight before sunrise and after sunset, otherwise the sky would be pitch black without a direct visible sun

....and it does all this ONLY to the sun and the moon. And even only to certain extents with regards to the moon. Because reasons.

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

Yeah, but they claim the earth is flat, so I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they think.

Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 23, 2018, 03:28:04 PM

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

Yeah, but they claim the earth is flat, so I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they think.

Then why bother with the debate section of the forum?

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

There we go, no assumptions just good ol’ video evidence

Waste of time to argue this.  It cannot happen on a flat Earth, therefore anyone brining it up must be discredited or some other completely unbelievably dumb idea needs to be proposed like vanishing point that appears to set but doesn't.  Bendy light, magic unicorn turds, space pizza magic etc.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 25, 2018, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 23, 2018, 03:28:04 PM

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

Yeah, but they claim the earth is flat, so I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they think.

Then why bother with the debate section of the forum?

Just a flying visit.  I could ask you the same. You think the world is round and rarely make any attempt to convince anyone that it's flat.

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on May 25, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 25, 2018, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 23, 2018, 03:28:04 PM

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

Yeah, but they claim the earth is flat, so I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they think.

Then why bother with the debate section of the forum?

Just a flying visit.  I could ask you the same. You think the world is round and rarely make any attempt to convince anyone that it's flat.

The earth is flat. I don't care to convince anyone of it. 

Stop spamming debate with this crap. If you need to rant about FE you know where you're allowed to do it.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 26, 2018, 11:38:46 AM

Quote from: Space Cowgirl on May 25, 2018, 09:03:59 AM

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on May 25, 2018, 08:25:56 AM

Quote from: Curiouser and Curiouser on May 23, 2018, 03:28:04 PM

Quote from: sphereearthsheep on May 23, 2018, 11:43:01 AM

If I know the sun sets below the horizon, ...

Quite a few FE would argue you have made an assumption which is not true.

Yeah, but they claim the earth is flat, so I wouldn't really be too concerned about what they think.

Then why bother with the debate section of the forum?

Just a flying visit.  I could ask you the same. You think the world is round and rarely make any attempt to convince anyone that it's flat.

The earth is flat. I don't care to convince anyone of it. 

Stop spamming debate with this crap. If you need to rant about FE you know where you're allowed to do it.

If you don't care to convince anyone of it, why does it say "Official FE recruiter" in your signature?

I don't get the spotlight idea...the shining of the sun is omnidirectional. Afaik, there are no natural sources of light which are not omnidirectional.

Further, if the sun is a spotlight, it should also appear flat to us....so as it goes about its proposed orbit, it should appear as a circle when directly overhead, and as an ellipse when it is not.

I don't get the spotlight idea...the shining of the sun is omnidirectional.

The fact, that we observe clear shadows requires that the nearer the light source, the more narrow the light beam needs to be.

With an omnidirectional light source circulating only 3’000 miles above the earth surface there would be no day and night.

Afaik, there are no natural sources of light which are not omnidirectional.

E.g. neutron stars and black holes could generate a focused beam, incl. visible light. But to have one of these only 3’000 miles away would be deadly, even with a diameter of only a few miles.

Further, if the sun is a spotlight, it should also appear flat to us....so as it goes about its proposed orbit, it should appear as a circle when directly overhead, and as an ellipse when it is not.

Maybe another property of the atmosphere (besides high-degrees bending, zooming, amplifying, etc.) could be transforming of light, so that the shape of the sun (and moon) always appears to be a circle.

With a spherical sun only 3’000 miles above the earth, sunspots would appear different when observed from different locations on earth.

E.g. neutron stars and black holes could generate a focused beam, incl. visible light. But to have one of these only 3’000 miles away would be deadly, even with a diameter of only a few miles.

Did not know about Pulsars emitting a beam light. Learned something new today! thanks.