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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2007, 02:39:56 PM »
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And isn't it strange how it doesn't matter what culture you are, you know what music is?



what does that have to do with anything
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2007, 02:44:44 PM »
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More for like 30000 years, our civilization is about 8000 years old

I was going by the records, give or take a thousand. We have record of Egyptians being around in about 4,000 B.C. Then again, the time of actual civilization can be disputed forever, but who actually knows?

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« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2007, 02:49:44 PM »
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Spot on. I think it's highly unlikely (simply from the lack of fossil evidence) that dinosaurs ever mastered metalwork. They certainly wouldn't have had an industrialised society.


Possible, but I did read something in the link about dinosaurs possibly reaching the moon (i.e. creating spacecraft, which really can almost only be built out of metal), and also bringing upon their own destruction via technology. What technology made of wood and stone could have the power to destroy an entire world of civilized creatures?

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« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2007, 02:53:17 PM »
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Dunno how many times it has split but most European languages (if not all) are based on Latin. Hence why alot of them sound alike.


Related, but not based on, if by "based on" you mean "derived from".  While the Romans were Romanizing, there were already Hellenes, Germans, Norse, Angles, Poles, Rus, et al. who, while not speaking Latin or a language descended from Latin, probably were speaking something.  All those peoples' languages evolved into languages that are spoken today, like Greek, German, Norwegian, English, Polish, and Russian.  Sure, many of those languages (including Russian, btw), show striking similarities to Latin, they are not based on Latin.

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Japanese and Chinese are very similiar,


You know what other languages are similar to Japanese?  Finnish and Magyar (Hungarian).

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Russian is a language all it's own I think,


Not really.  It's related to Polish, Finnish, Serbo-Croatian, and Latin just to mention some non-obvious European ones.
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« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2007, 03:05:23 PM »
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Possible, but I did read something in the link about dinosaurs possibly reaching the moon (i.e. creating spacecraft, which really can almost only be built out of metal), and also bringing upon their own destruction via technology. What technology made of wood and stone could have the power to destroy an entire world of civilized creatures?

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I'm pretty sure I never suggested dinosaur space travel. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #35 on: January 11, 2007, 04:01:02 PM »
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I'm pretty sure I never suggested dinosaur space travel. Correct me if I'm wrong.

You're right, but I know I wasn't making stuff up.  :?  I read somewhere suggesting it. Nevertheless, I revert to my latter question: What object, made of wood and stone could completely destroy all traces of dinosaur life?

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« Reply #36 on: January 13, 2007, 10:36:01 AM »
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You're right, but I know I wasn't making stuff up.  :?  I read somewhere suggesting it. Nevertheless, I revert to my latter question: What object, made of wood and stone could completely destroy all traces of dinosaur life?

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I never made that implication either. I believe the dinosaurs were probably killed by an extinction level meteor.
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« Reply #37 on: January 13, 2007, 11:31:57 AM »
Dinosaurs didn't even have the physical bodies to perform complicated mechanical construction. How can you think they had a civilization?

Also note that if they were civilized, there would be wars. I haven't heard of any fossils turning up with bullet wounds in the bone structure (inevitable even if they didn't have wars). Or any other type of wound caused by anything other then teeth and natural disasters.

Now what I HAVE heard is that there is a Sphinx on Mars. What if humans had originally started on Mars, and escaped whatever disaster occured there to settle on Earth but technology failed in transit and we ended up starting all over again on Earth? Mars has alot of rust on it after all.

How did similar technology spring up world wide at almost the same time? Back before people knew a North America/South America existed?
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2007, 05:02:25 AM »
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Dinosaurs didn't even have the physical bodies to perform complicated mechanical construction. How can you think they had a civilization?


But they did. Bifurcating/Trifurcatuing claw structures combined with sufficient intelligence are more than enough to perform complex manual operations. I know this because in one of my Flat Earth seminars I taped some of my fingers together (in a similar configuration to the hands of dinsoaurs) and demonstrated that writing, hammering, holding a screwdriver and many other tasks could still be accomplished with the same degree of competency.

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Also note that if they were civilized, there would be wars.


Is this a given? There are examples of early human societies where organized war was pretty much a non-issue.


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I haven't heard of any fossils turning up with bullet wounds in the bone structure (inevitable even if they didn't have wars).


Ballistic technology isn't a prerequisite for civilization.

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 Or any other type of wound caused by anything other then teeth and natural disasters.


Even if dinosaurs did engage in war, how would a wound caused by a spear, blade or simple projectile be distinguishable from damage caused by teeth and natural disasters?

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Now what I HAVE heard is that there is a Sphinx on Mars.


This is crazy-talk.

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 What if humans had originally started on Mars, and escaped whatever disaster occured there to settle on Earth but technology failed in transit and we ended up starting all over again on Earth? Mars has alot of rust on it after all.


Conventional space travel is impossible. Also I'm pretty sure you stole this idea from the film "Mission to Mars".

What's more, even if we assume space travel is possible, how would people reach Earth if the technology failed in transit?

Also, if mankind had been sufficiently advanced to travel in space, they would almost certainly have developed a complex system of language and writing. Why then, instead of finding illuminating science textbooks and epic poems on cave walls do we find crude drawings of animals? Technological and philosophical knowledge doesn't just instantly disappear. Unless the first settlers of Earth were all newborn infants, elements of Martian culture and science would have most certainly been passed down through generations.

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How did similar technology spring up world wide at almost the same time? Back before people knew a North America/South America existed?


Quite simply, it didn't. The Egyptians and Babylonians made use of wheels, for example, long before the Native Americans did (I'm not even sure if they ever did until the Trail of Tears brought wheel-technology to America in the 1700's). The orient developed gunpowder and other such technology well in advance of the rest of the world. Examples like this are rife throughout history.
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2007, 06:41:24 AM »
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More for like 30000 years, our civilization is about 8000 years old

I was going by the records, give or take a thousand. We have record of Egyptians being around in about 4,000 B.C. Then again, the time of actual civilization can be disputed forever, but who actually knows?

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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2007, 06:44:40 AM »
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In the Oeral in Russia, tiny peaces of nano tech were found in a gletcher. Estemated to be thousands of years old.


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« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2007, 12:32:16 AM »
A) Re: Smart dinos. Yeah, just do a search for Dogplatter's posts about this.. well... dogplatter and you'll see my (as well as a few others' probably) refutations of a theory so ricockulous it shouldn't even be humored by being debunked.

B) Re: Mars Sphinx. This was actually debunked years ago when they got better pictures of Mars' surface from different angles. It's a simple optical illusion of hills and valleys, not a three-dimensional structure.

Oh, and as for the little planes. Building a toy glider is a far cry from building an actual plane. It's definitely a sign of great insight, but not even close to evidence of some long lost civilization.

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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2007, 06:51:24 AM »
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Oh, and as for the little planes. Building a toy glider is a far cry from building an actual plane. It's definitely a sign of great insight, but not even close to evidence of some long lost civilization.


You could be right. But notice how everything fits a modern airplane? Now maybe the egyptians didnt invent it, maybe the technology was passed to them through generations, originating from an ancient civilisation.
Can you say it couldnt be the truth?

And i dont really think it was dinosaurs, IF there was a civilisation.

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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2007, 09:16:16 AM »
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You could be right. But notice how everything fits a modern airplane? Now maybe the egyptians didnt invent it, maybe the technology was passed to them through generations, originating from an ancient civilisation.
Can you say it couldnt be the truth?


Why would the Egyptians pass down such poignant knowledge as air travel without implementing it?
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« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2007, 09:30:24 AM »
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You could be right. But notice how everything fits a modern airplane? Now maybe the egyptians didnt invent it, maybe the technology was passed to them through generations, originating from an ancient civilisation.
Can you say it couldnt be the truth?


Why would the Egyptians pass down such poignant knowledge as air travel without implementing it?


They didnt pass it down, as we would hava had planes a lot earlier, they may have got it from an older civilisations.. i dunno some old papers with a nice blueprint? And i dont remember any ancient civilisation having industry to build an airplane.

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« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2007, 10:58:21 AM »
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Oh, and as for the little planes. Building a toy glider is a far cry from building an actual plane. It's definitely a sign of great insight, but not even close to evidence of some long lost civilization.


You could be right. But notice how everything fits a modern airplane? Now maybe the egyptians didnt invent it, maybe the technology was passed to them through generations, originating from an ancient civilisation.
Can you say it couldnt be the truth?

Yes, I can say it couldn't be the truth. Look at all of the material that goes into making just one modern airplane, and look at all of the technology required to make that material and put it together, as well as the knowledge and training to fly planes. You're suggesting that all of that existed, and we haven't found ANY evidence of it, except for a little toy.

Not to mention that they could have found dozens of toy gliders over the years, but the only one that would capture normal people's imagination would be one that coincidentally looked like something modern.

If our civilization is destroyed, and a new one starts and grows and evolves and develops to the point of creating more advanced space travel, and their shuttles look like classic UFOs, and if one day they stumbled upon a toy UFO from our time, they wouldn't think we were as advanced as them. They'd just think it was nothing more than a toy.

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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2007, 10:42:27 PM »
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Oh, and as for the little planes. Building a toy glider is a far cry from building an actual plane. It's definitely a sign of great insight, but not even close to evidence of some long lost civilization.


You could be right. But notice how everything fits a modern airplane? Now maybe the egyptians didnt invent it, maybe the technology was passed to them through generations, originating from an ancient civilisation.
Can you say it couldnt be the truth?

Yes, I can say it couldn't be the truth. Look at all of the material that goes into making just one modern airplane, and look at all of the technology required to make that material and put it together, as well as the knowledge and training to fly planes. You're suggesting that all of that existed, and we haven't found ANY evidence of it, except for a little toy.

Not to mention that they could have found dozens of toy gliders over the years, but the only one that would capture normal people's imagination would be one that coincidentally looked like something modern.

If our civilization is destroyed, and a new one starts and grows and evolves and develops to the point of creating more advanced space travel, and their shuttles look like classic UFOs, and if one day they stumbled upon a toy UFO from our time, they wouldn't think we were as advanced as them. They'd just think it was nothing more than a toy.



Or theyll prolly be smart and realize (if our toy looks very much like their UFO) that we were very advanced.
And yes it is possible that they had heavy industry and pilots. Thats just logical if they had planes innit?
I'm just saying it could be true, untill you build a time machine and go back, you cant prove it wrong. (Just like i cant prove it right)

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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2007, 12:38:10 PM »
so why try and prove it
he kinds of equations that they have now are the kinds of equations you would get in an approximation scheme to some underlying theory, but nobody knows what the underlying theory is.

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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2007, 12:39:07 PM »
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so why try and prove it


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« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2007, 12:47:54 AM »
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Or theyll prolly be smart and realize (if our toy looks very much like their UFO) that we were very advanced.
And yes it is possible that they had heavy industry and pilots. Thats just logical if they had planes innit?
I'm just saying it could be true, untill you build a time machine and go back, you cant prove it wrong. (Just like i cant prove it right)

But we aren't advanced enough to build a working "UFO", so if they thought we were they'd be fucking idiots, just like you are for making a similar assumption.

How is it possible they had heavy industry? Where's the evidence? Among the hundreds of thousands of prehistoric artifacts we've discovered, we haven't found a single one that suggests there were any real cultures further than 6-7,000 years ago (hence the term "prehistoric") let alone any advanced enough to build a damn 747.

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« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2007, 09:51:55 AM »
If ancient civilizations had airplanes, why was the geography of their society so obviously restricted to what's accessible by land?  Why didn't they conquer or colonize peoples on other continents?  Where are their runways?  Why didn't they expand rapidly over unnavigable terrain?  Why did they have ethnocentric notions of the shape of the land around them?  Why didn't they have other technology that would be on the logical route from chariots to airplanes, such as steam engines and firearms?  What did they use for fuel?  Where are the tools that they used to build the airplanes?  Where are the pieces of broken-down airplanes?  How come none of these things survived, but little stone or copper replicas did?
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« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2007, 10:13:22 AM »
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If ancient civilizations had airplanes, why was the geography of their society so obviously restricted to what's accessible by land?  Why didn't they conquer or colonize peoples on other continents?  Where are their runways?  Why didn't they expand rapidly over unnavigable terrain?  Why did they have ethnocentric notions of the shape of the land around them?  Why didn't they have other technology that would be on the logical route from chariots to airplanes, such as steam engines and firearms?  What did they use for fuel?  Where are the tools that they used to build the airplanes?  Where are the pieces of broken-down airplanes?  How come none of these things survived, but little stone or copper replicas did?


Maybe they took off in to space? And on purpose cleaned everything up before they left. And they seeded earth on purpose.  :P

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« Reply #52 on: January 17, 2007, 10:31:18 AM »
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Maybe they took off in to space? And on purpose cleaned everything up before they left. And they seeded earth on purpose.  :P


Ah, I see.  I didn't realize you meant for this thread to be the cooperative creation of a fairy tale, rather than a serious discuss of archaeology.  I guess my work here is done!
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« Reply #53 on: January 17, 2007, 10:33:48 AM »
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Maybe they took off in to space? And on purpose cleaned everything up before they left. And they seeded earth on purpose.  :P


Ah, I see.  I didn't realize you meant for this thread to be the cooperative creation of a fairy tale, rather than a serious discuss of archaeology.  I guess my work here is done!


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