government conspiracy

Quote from: the Wiki

Place of the Conspiracy in FET
The existence of 'The Conspiracy' is a consequence of the FET. Virtually no one begins with 'The Conspiracy' and develops a belief in the Flat Earth Theory. Flat Earthers starts with the knowledge that the earth is flat, as they believe that all the evidence which they are personally able to collect and verify confirms this fact. As a consequence all the evidence to the contrary, much of which they are unable to personally test/verify is viewed as being false. The existence of such a huge quantity of false information indicates the existence of the conspiracy.

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the FET is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

One simply comment, it is absolutely impossible for any one person or even a small group of (not very dedicated) investigators to determine the shape of the earth, the motion of the sun, moon planets and the stars and all other aspects of the earth.

Nevertheless "The FET (Flat Earth Theory) is an obvious truth", Wow, now we know!

Oh they're going on that tour.  I like this:

P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The RET (Round Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the RET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the RET is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

So we come to the conclusion that RET is the actual truth and that the FET is actually a conspiracy!  (Common ask me for unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET, that would be even more fun than this)

...ask me for unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET,

Please provide unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET.

Quote from: gg1gamer on December 30, 2016, 11:56:07 PM

...ask me for unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET,

Please provide unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET.

I knew you would be the one asking.  But family is coming over for new years eve in 2 hours and i still have a shitload of things to do so I'll do it first thing tomorrow after i wake up (expect that to be in the afternoon).

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 31, 2016, 02:09:08 AM

Quote from: gg1gamer on December 30, 2016, 11:56:07 PM

...ask me for unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET,

Please provide unverifiable evidence that contradicts FET.

I knew you would be the one asking.  But family is coming over for new years eve in 2 hours and i still have a shitload of things to do so I'll do it first thing tomorrow after i wake up (expect that to be in the afternoon).

Hey, you slow pitched a fatty over the plate.   

Happy New Year !!!

Unverifiable proof is my favorite kind of proof.  I can't wait.

Unverifiable proof is my favorite kind of proof.  I can't wait.

The earth is a Globe because light bulbs are Globes - see
Surely that proves it by example.

Quote from: jroa on December 31, 2016, 03:49:55 AM

Unverifiable proof is my favorite kind of proof.  I can't wait.

The earth is a Globe because light bulbs are Globes - see

25 Watt Vintage Edison G125 Round Squirrel Cage Bulb

Surely that proves it by example.

Yes, I know! Do not plant higher flora on the lower decks.

Have you forgotten that plates are flat? 

Have you forgotten that plates are flat?

I don't know where plates come into it, pancakes maybe. I certainly don't live in a plate.

But, I was trying to oblige with your "favorite kind of proof", the unverifiable kind.

So just to be clear the following is evidence provided by FEers that contradicts the obvious truth that the earth is a globe and that i can't personally verify/test.  According to the wikis logic it is thus false.

It's actually harder to find then i thought but the obvious one:

sandokhans advanced flat earth theory.  I can't personally test anything of it (i admit i didn't read everyone of his post but i did read 10 random posts in there and i couldn't personally test a single one of them).  According to the wikis logic, wait let me copy paste it here first (i did change Flat for Round everywhere):

Essentially the reasoning boils down to -
P1) If personally unverifiable evidence contradicts an obvious truth then the evidence is fabricated
P2) The RET(Round Earth Theory) is an obvious truth
P3) There is personally unverifiable evidence that contradicts the RET
C1) The unverifiable evidence that contradicts the RET is fabricated evidence

P4) If there is large amounts of fabricated evidence then there must be a conspiracy to fabricate it
P5) There is a large amount of fabricated evidence (see C1)
C2) There must be a conspiracy to fabricate it.

So P1 and P2 check. It is personally unverifiable and contradicts the obvious truth of a round earth.  Euhm, P3 also check because it is just 1 and 2 combined.  So C1 is true.  Next we go to P4, also check because there is a lot of evidence in that thread.  And well, P5 is just repeating what C1 says so check. And last but not least C2 is a conclusion and we can check that as well.

So we can conclude that sandokhans advanced flat earth theory is part of a large conspiracy to make us believe that the earth is flat when it is actually round.  (My best guess as to the people behind it: a group of all the top religious leaders from all over the world.)

Next on the list:  Inkey argument that there are GPS towers in the African safari and that these towers make GPS work. 
For starters, he said that they were visible in a documentary.  For all i know that documentary was photoshopped.  So no verifiable evidence so far.  We thus have to believe him on his word that there are towers all across the globe (earth, flat disc, ...).  I can't personally verify this, it is thus false according to the wikis logic.

Now i thought let me check the FAQ in the debate subsection, they'll have some 'evidence' that i might be able to use.  But nope, not a single grain of evidence is provided in the FAQ.  They do refer to the following pdf (not directly i had to find it via google) http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/library/books/Earth%20Not%20a%20Globe%20(Samuel%20Rowbothan).pdf
I didn't even bother reading it, if one checks the date: 1865.   I did browse through it quickly what i did and didn't see was rather interesting.  I mostly saw text with here and there an illustration and handful of tables with some data in them.  What i didn't see:  an experiment with first a systematic review next the hypothesis after this the explanation/description of the actual experiment.  Next one would expect the raw data, or a reference to this raw data.  Hell i would be happy with a graph of the raw data.

So next i went to the FAQ on the homepage.  They send me to the Books section where i could find, and i quote, "a great selection of books that further detail proof of the planar Earth."
Once i got to the books section however i only found there to be 14 books.  Which is nothing compared to the number of books out the round earth.
I browsed through the 3 most recent books (1972, 1957,1940) and again didn't come across anything remotely resembling data from an experiment.

Conclusion: it's rather hard to find evidence for a FE because there hardly is evidence out there.  From what i've seen there are only people telling tales about a FE.  Feel free to share raw data from an experiment that proves the flatness of the earth, i'd love to actually see some data for a change i've grown tired of reading tales.