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sandokhan

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rabinoz

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Re: GPS
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2016, 12:48:25 AM »
You think that changing the venue will work for you?

It won't.

You simply haven't studied the missing orbital Sagnac effect, even though I posted the best available bibliography so that you'd be able to properly understand the issues involved.

If you are replying to me, I did not change any venues! In case it escaped your eagle eyes, I was replying to your post.

The GPS satellites (which do orbit at a much lower altitude using the Biefeld-Brown effect) are one of the most direct proofs of the fact that the Earth does not orbit the Sun: the missing orbital Sagnac effect.
The Sagnac Effect depends not only on the angular velocity, but on the area of the loop traversed.

In the meantime, I  have no idea which part of Discworld[1] you live on, but I live on the Globe.

That Globet does not have a Sun, Moon, Shadow Object, Nibiru or Jupiter orbiting 15 to 20 km overhead.
 
That Moon is at a distance from Earth that has been verified by numerous quite independent measurements.

The distance to the Sun was a bit harder to determine accurately, but the has been known to be many times the diameter of the earth for many centuries.

GPS, Galileo, GLONASS etc  GNS Systems work fine at altitudes from 20,180 km (12,540 mi) to 23,222 km.

Have you ever wondered why you have never managed to convince anyone of your ideas?

I'd say to give Terry Cratchett my best regards when you see him next, but I'm afraid he's deceased.
So go chase some other victim with your weird ideas!

Have a nice day.

[1] Well, Discworld is flat and has a sun that does rise in the east from behind the horizon and set in the west behind the horizon.

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rabinoz

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Re: GPS
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2016, 01:19:23 AM »
N. Ashby's catastrophic hypotheses have been debunked a long time ago...


http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Clock_Behavior_and_theSearch_for_an_Underlying_Mechanism_for_Relativistic_Phenomena_2002.pdf

http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Ronald_Hatch/Hatch-Relativity_and_GPS-II_1995.pdf
I'll leave all that stuff to some physicist much more knowledgeable in relativistic phenomena than I.

But, it's funny that nowhere in all that discussion can I find any doubt thrown in the Heliocentric Globe model. Ronald Hatch seems to just take the accepted cosmology.

Maybe you can now find some papers that support your model for the universe.

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Re: GPS
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2016, 04:32:55 PM »
I'm a newbie and a convert to the flat earth model, so please show some patience towards me.  I looked at "sandokhan's" - "the missing orbital Sagnac effect" and didn't understand it. Why couldn't GPS work using blimps?  The same for internet cable?  Many have seen cigar shaped "UFO's" in the sky including me.  Why couldn't these cigar shaped objects be blimps stationed at intervals able to send and receive information?
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Re: GPS
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2016, 05:06:18 PM »
I'm a newbie and a convert to the flat earth model, so please show some patience towards me.  I looked at "sandokhan's" - "the missing orbital Sagnac effect" and didn't understand it. Why couldn't GPS work using blimps?  The same for internet cable?  Many have seen cigar shaped "UFO's" in the sky including me.  Why couldn't these cigar shaped objects be blimps stationed at intervals able to send and receive information?

Trigonometry.

There's apps you can get that reads the raw gps data on your phone to verify this.

 If there were blimps acting as gps sources on a flat earth what we'd expect to see is every source at a pretty low angle always visible but possibly with varying signal strengths.

What we actually do see is 24 signal sources at varying angles that seem to disappear as they sink below the horizon in a manner consistent with a round earth.
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Re: GPS
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2016, 05:16:17 PM »
How did he even make the jump from GPS to the Tunguska event? That's kind of impressive.

Whenever things go badly for our esteemed swami, you'll get something like...

I have very bad news for you: you are going to have to explain the Tunguska event.

... when it's, of course, completely irrelevant to the topic at hand; an obvious attempt to deflect the conversation from what is being discussed.

It's apparent that "Tunguska" means "I have no meaningful answer" in sandokhanese and an excellent example of "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit."

It happens all the time and is part of the mystique here.

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