Satellite dishes in Norfolk

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 12:44:38 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on July 12, 2016, 12:17:54 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 12:02:32 AM

There are some transmitters over all around the big cities. And the transmitters usually on high points on. For example in Istanbul almost all of the transmitters are on the same mountain that has the 267 metres altitude. If you in 267 metres circle around it, your antenna must be 45 degrees to see it.

I was thinking maybe the sattelites exist but after holliday i changed my idea and now i'm thinking that the sattelites are not exist. Because when i'm travelling in a big city, all of the tv channels seems as perfect and when i was at a secluded place the tv channels don't seems good, insomuch that near of some villages tv channels don't seem. This situation shows there is no sattelites but strong transmitters all over the all big cities.

And GPS sattelites never working on secluded places on Turkey. But when i arrive a city, then GPS starts to working again.

I think its means nothing the angle of antenna, the most important thing if the radio waves arrives the antenna or not. The angle is not so important.

You claim "And GPS sattelites never working on secluded places on Turkey. But when i arrive a city, then GPS starts to working again."

I am sure you must be using a mobile phone as your GPS device. That needs internet coverage to receive the maps, but NOT the GPS location data.

I have a couple of GPS devices with pre-loaded maps and they work anywhere I have been in Australia, New Zealand, Norfolk Island, Switzerland, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and whenever I have been on a ship at sea.

I have used GPS devices numerous time hundreds of miles from any "phone towers"!

Then you say "The angle is not so important." That is completely wrong for microwave dish antennas. These need to be pointed with an accuracy of a degree or even better in the case of large dishes.

Please learn a bit about the topic before make statements like this. It only makes you look foolish when you make claims like this.

You know my principles and incomprehensibly acting as disrespective. Why do you do that?

I was preparing to an answer but i saw you are a bit aggressive. After i ignored you, you blame me escape from reality. No. I'm just waiting for an urban discussion environment. Is it really hard to discuss without rubbish? Or you want be ignored. Anyway.

I want to I will respond it and after that you have been ignored.

Yes i'm using my telephone as GPS but it hasen't internet because i closed my telephone to internet for to get rid of nonsence advertisements. So your theory is wrong. My telephone hasen't internet and using it's own GPS property. When i'm on a city, i'm using my telephone as a GPS navigator and going everywhere with it that showing me my point 100% true second by second. But when i'm on out of the city GPS isin't working.

This proves GPS  waves produced by transmitters on the cities. There is no GPS sattelites.

Now you have been ignored that you deserved it. It was not caused by your ideas. It stemmed from disrespect that actually you don't need to do that. So i don't want to see your malevolent ideas again. Bye bye.

Your experience does not prove how GPS works, talk to others who understand the science and engineering.

I'm an engineer.

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2016, 12:59:35 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 12:44:38 AM

Quote from: rabinoz on July 12, 2016, 12:17:54 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 12:02:32 AM

There are some transmitters over all around the big cities. And the transmitters usually on high points on. For example in Istanbul almost all of the transmitters are on the same mountain that has the 267 metres altitude. If you in 267 metres circle around it, your antenna must be 45 degrees to see it.

I was thinking maybe the sattelites exist but after holliday i changed my idea and now i'm thinking that the sattelites are not exist. Because when i'm travelling in a big city, all of the tv channels seems as perfect and when i was at a secluded place the tv channels don't seems good, insomuch that near of some villages tv channels don't seem. This situation shows there is no sattelites but strong transmitters all over the all big cities.

And GPS sattelites never working on secluded places on Turkey. But when i arrive a city, then GPS starts to working again.

I think its means nothing the angle of antenna, the most important thing if the radio waves arrives the antenna or not. The angle is not so important.

You claim "And GPS sattelites never working on secluded places on Turkey. But when i arrive a city, then GPS starts to working again."

I am sure you must be using a mobile phone as your GPS device. That needs internet coverage to receive the maps, but NOT the GPS location data.

I have a couple of GPS devices with pre-loaded maps and they work anywhere I have been in Australia, New Zealand, Norfolk Island, Switzerland, England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland and whenever I have been on a ship at sea.

I have used GPS devices numerous time hundreds of miles from any "phone towers"!

Then you say "The angle is not so important." That is completely wrong for microwave dish antennas. These need to be pointed with an accuracy of a degree or even better in the case of large dishes.

Please learn a bit about the topic before make statements like this. It only makes you look foolish when you make claims like this.

You know my principles and incomprehensibly acting as disrespective. Why do you do that?

I was preparing to an answer but i saw you are a bit aggressive. After i ignored you, you blame me escape from reality. No. I'm just waiting for an urban discussion environment. Is it really hard to discuss without rubbish? Or you want be ignored. Anyway.

I want to I will respond it and after that you have been ignored.

Yes i'm using my telephone as GPS but it hasen't internet because i closed my telephone to internet for to get rid of nonsence advertisements. So your theory is wrong. My telephone hasen't internet and using it's own GPS property. When i'm on a city, i'm using my telephone as a GPS navigator and going everywhere with it that showing me my point 100% true second by second. But when i'm on out of the city GPS isin't working.

This proves GPS  waves produced by transmitters on the cities. There is no GPS sattelites.

Now you have been ignored that you deserved it. It was not caused by your ideas. It stemmed from disrespect that actually you don't need to do that. So i don't want to see your malevolent ideas again. Bye bye.

Your experience does not prove how GPS works, talk to others who understand the science and engineering.

I'm an engineer.

And the reception of GPS across the earth agrees with the published data for orbiting satellites.

How many satellites does your receiver show it's getting?

Sattelite names nothing but a lie. They are only channel group names that listed by transmitter.

Sattelite names nothing but a lie. They are only channel group names that listed by transmitter.

They change as satellites orbit.  Why should they be a lie?  GPS works in the middle of oceans and elsewhere where there are no mobile or TV masts.  Typically a receiver gets 15 or more US and Russian satellites.

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 01:21:04 AM

Sattelite names nothing but a lie. They are only channel group names that listed by transmitter.

They change as satellites orbit.  Why should they be a lie?  GPS works in the middle of oceans and elsewhere where there are no mobile or TV masts.  Typically a receiver gets 15 or more US and Russian satellites.

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Oceans are flat areas and there is no interference effects to radio waves. So you can watch the tv on ocean. But i'm thinking that can't do that on Antarctica.

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Errm...the satellites aren't in the US and Russia.  There are 30 satellites in constant orbit:

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 03:51:09 AM

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Errm...the satellites aren't in the US and Russia.  There are 30 satellites in constant orbit:

Your drawn is wrong and misleading. Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

To be a missleading of this drawn shows how is sattelites are misleading. You are trying to defend a lie with a missleading. How perfect. 

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab on July 12, 2016, 03:55:51 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 03:51:09 AM

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Errm...the satellites aren't in the US and Russia.  There are 30 satellites in constant orbit:

Your drawing is wrong and misleading. Rounders are usually telling the satellites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US satellites at same time.

To be a misleading of this drawn shows how is satelites are misleading. You are trying to defend a lie with a misleading. How perfect. 

You clearly do not understand how GPS works.  There is no lie.  There are ~24 GPS and ~24 GLONASS satellites in continuous orbits.  Hence the receiver shows the 'visable' ones.

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 04:21:57 AM

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

20.000 kms hohoho ohohoho ohoho. 20.000 kms surely surely. To saying lie is free. 

Quote from: Copper Knickers on July 12, 2016, 04:39:41 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 04:21:57 AM

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

20.000 kms hohoho ohohoho ohoho. 20.000 kms surely surely. To saying lie is free. 

What's the problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Orbital height   20,180 km (12,540 mi)

A lack of understanding and no explanation of how you know they work proves nothing.

Quote from: Copper Knickers on July 12, 2016, 04:39:41 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 04:21:57 AM

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

20.000 kms hohoho ohohoho ohoho. 20.000 kms surely surely. To saying lie is free. 

Try again:

A geostationary equatorial orbit (GEO) is a circular geosynchronous orbit in the plane of the Earth's equator with a radius of approximately 42,164 km (26,199 mi) (measured from the center of the Earth). A satellite in such an orbit is at an altitude of approximately 35,786 km (22,236 mi) above mean sea level.[/b]

Quote from: Triddles on July 09, 2016, 02:31:48 PM

Quote from: inquisitive on July 09, 2016, 12:01:18 PM

Satellite signals do not bounce off moisture.

I'm not sure what the purpose of your post is intended do be. Are you stating that they cannot bounce off moisture, in which case I must refute that: all such signals will be reflected off anything tangible, such as sufficient concentrations of moisture. If you are simply claiming they do not, then it seems a purposefulness post until you explain how you ascertain that.

Satellite signals do not bounce off moisture. The simple fact you receive satellite on a clear day, and just as well on an overcast raining day proves that.

That mistake has been made before.
http://www.tech-faq.com/rainfade.html
The only reason we receive signals on rainy days is that most dishes are fairly strong signal-wise. It is not always the case.

Quote from: Triddles on July 10, 2016, 09:05:49 AM

I don't understand how referring to geostationary satellites is intended as evidence. They only exist if you believe the world is round.

I only noticed this bit when looking for something else.

You categorically state that They only exist if you believe the world is round.

I believe that the earth is a ROTATING GLOBE! Is that close enough to believing that "the world is round".

Therefore satellites exist - YOU said so! And that's all the authority we get your "colourful calorific fields", so it's good enough for me!

I do not understand what you could possible be saying.

Quote from: Triddles on July 09, 2016, 10:00:35 AM

The signals are received by being bounced off of a layer of moisture in the sky, that arcs from horizon to horizon (dipping slightly in the center). At and near the equator, the curve of this moisture means they must point straight up to avoid being scattered, while elsewhere there is less of a curve.

If that was the case it would be really unreliable as you are dependant on special weather conditions to provide the exact amount of thickness to provide the angle. If it was the normal answer of satellites in space then all you have to worry about is cloudy weather.

I do not need special weather conditions, the moisture is always there. The composition of air does not change so much depending on the day. I am not talking about specific weather.

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2016, 01:26:21 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 01:21:04 AM

Sattelite names nothing but a lie. They are only channel group names that listed by transmitter.

They change as satellites orbit.  Why should they be a lie?  GPS works in the middle of oceans and elsewhere where there are no mobile or TV masts.  Typically a receiver gets 15 or more US and Russian satellites.

Did you think how is an antenna gets the channels at same time from Russian and US sattelites  that on the opposite side of the earth?

Oceans are flat areas and there is no interference effects to radio waves. So you can watch the tv on ocean. But i'm thinking that can't do that on Antarctica.

No oceans are not flat areas.

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on July 10, 2016, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Triddles on July 09, 2016, 10:00:35 AM

The signals are received by being bounced off of a layer of moisture in the sky, that arcs from horizon to horizon (dipping slightly in the center). At and near the equator, the curve of this moisture means they must point straight up to avoid being scattered, while elsewhere there is less of a curve.

If that was the case it would be really unreliable as you are dependant on special weather conditions to provide the exact amount of thickness to provide the angle. If it was the normal answer of satellites in space then all you have to worry about is cloudy weather.

I do not need special weather conditions, the moisture is always there. The composition of air does not change so much depending on the day. I am not talking about specific weather.

That's just it. You are relying on the weather to be perfect to provide the exact angle. One foggy morning and your system fails. Satellites are much more reliable than that.

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 05:07:48 AM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on July 12, 2016, 04:39:41 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 04:21:57 AM

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

20.000 kms hohoho ohohoho ohoho. 20.000 kms surely surely. To saying lie is free. 

What's the problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Orbital height   20,180 km (12,540 mi)

A lack of understanding and no explanation of how you know they work proves nothing.

You are talking about some argumant that i already rejected. This is not a proof that you argue the orbital heigh 20,180km ??

Quote from: inquisitive on July 12, 2016, 05:20:09 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 05:07:48 AM

Quote from: Copper Knickers on July 12, 2016, 04:39:41 AM

Quote from: İntikam on July 12, 2016, 04:21:57 AM

Rounders are usually telling the sattelites about 500 miles altitude, but they are seem as 20.000 miles on your drawn. If you draw them on the true place, then we see why the antenna can't see the Russian and US sattelites at same time.

Navigation satellites are in a medium earth orbit of around 20,000 km.

In addition, the satellites are constantly moving relative to the earth's surface so there will be both US and Russian navigation satellites visible from any one place.

20.000 kms hohoho ohohoho ohoho. 20.000 kms surely surely. To saying lie is free. 

What's the problem?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GPS_satellites

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System

Orbital height   20,180 km (12,540 mi)

A lack of understanding and no explanation of how you know they work proves nothing.

You are talking about some argumant that i already rejected. This is not a proof that you argue the orbital heigh 20,180km ??

Good old Intikam and his child like mind. It really is like trying to explain something to a 4 year old, you can even predict the questions he is going to ask.

"How can you see Russian and Amercan satellites at the same time if they are on opposite sides of the Earth?"

"Well Inkitam, satellites are very high in the sky and not directly above the country that launched them."

Quote from: Luke 22:35-38 on July 10, 2016, 10:56:07 AM

Quote from: Triddles on July 09, 2016, 10:00:35 AM

The signals are received by being bounced off of a layer of moisture in the sky, that arcs from horizon to horizon (dipping slightly in the center). At and near the equator, the curve of this moisture means they must point straight up to avoid being scattered, while elsewhere there is less of a curve.

If that was the case it would be really unreliable as you are dependant on special weather conditions to provide the exact amount of thickness to provide the angle. If it was the normal answer of satellites in space then all you have to worry about is cloudy weather.

I do not need special weather conditions, the moisture is always there. The composition of air does not change so much depending on the day. I am not talking about specific weather.

You are acting as if reflection and refraction are unknown. They are well studied and understood phenomenon. The amount of signal reflected from passing from air to water is minimal, there are even calculators you can use online which will tell you the the exact amounts based on variables.

If the signals we are receiving are actually ground based and reflected by moisture, how do satilite receivers work under water? Would the surface of the ocean not reflect the signal back?