Help me construct a flat earth model

There was a flat earther who stated all planets and sun are basically discs, not spherical objects, so I wanted to create a model to explain the phases of the moon - which are impossible in practical terms.
The guy has a very severe mental retardation, so he couldn't answer my questions, so I ask you people, maybe you can help me out.
I am not a flat earther, I am only curious if is there any possibility for your ideas.

So here is the disc of the earth, 249 units in size, coresponding to 24.900 km. Where do I put the sun and the moon? What shape do they have and how are they aimed?
I make the model, you guys correct it, by the time we are done with all this, we may find out if the earth is indeed flat or not.

Australia is wrong, please fix it, why do you guys just stretch and squash our country to fit your models?

Ok, give me a good map, then. This is the cylindrical projection from NASA sweeped on a disk, what did you expect?
I am all good with approximations, If you want to nitpick, then provide me the data.
For now we are setting up the moon and the sun - as you see, shape of any landmass is completely irrelevant. We can come back to that later, if is essential for the model.

Well, you'll need a map first.

If you're not a flat earther, then you must know that it's impossible to create a model, for obvious reasons.

Well, you'll need a map first.

Why do I need a map now, when my concern is how and where I place the sun and the moon relative to the disc of the Earth?
I can change it later 77 times, if you want to, but at this moment my concern is only the moon and the sun.

If you're not a flat earther, then you must know that it's impossible to create a model, for obvious reasons.

Well, I can be wrong. There is a very small chance, but I can be. So why not to make the experiments? If their view is right, it should be extremely simple.

so I wanted to create a model to explain the phases of the moon - which are impossible in practical terms.

When one observes the phases of the moon he sees the moon's day and night, a shadow from the sun illuminating half of the spherical moon at any one time.

The lunar phases vary cyclically according to the changing geometry of the Moon and Sun, which are constantly wobbling up and down and exchange altitudes as they rotate around the North Pole.

When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun, This is called the First Quarter Moon. When the observer looks up he will see a shadow cutting the moon in half. The boundary between the illuminated and unilluminated hemispheres is called the terminator.

When the moon is below the sun's altitude the moon is dark and a New Moon occurs.

When the moon is above the altitude of the sun the moon is fully lit and a Full Moon occurs.

The time between two full moons, or between successive occurrences of the same phase, is about 29.53 days (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average. This denotes the cycle of alternating altitudes.

Why does the moon look the same to everyone?

Q: Why does the moon and the phases look the same to everyone one earth regardless of where they are?

A: It doesn't. The phase you see varies depending on your location on earth. In FET this is explained by the different observers standing on either side of the moon. On one side it is right-side up, and on the other side it is upside down.

Imagine a green arrow suspended horizontally above your head pointing to the North. Standing 50 feet to the South of the arrow it is pointing "downwards" towards the Northern horizon. Standing 50 feet to the North of the arrow, looking back at it, it points "upwards" above your head to the North. The arrow flip-flops, pointing down or away from the horizon depending on which side you stand.

The lunar phase varies depending on where you stand on a Round Earth as well. Here is the RET explanation for why the moon turns upside down when you stand on either side of it:http://web.archive.org/web/20070218184023/http://www.seed.slb.com/qa2/FAQView.cfm?ID=1137

There you go then

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Well, you'll need a map first.

Why do I need a map now, when my concern is how and where I place the sun and the moon relative to the disc of the Earth?
I can change it later 77 times, if you want to, but at this moment my concern is only the moon and the sun.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab

If you're not a flat earther, then you must know that it's impossible to create a model, for obvious reasons.

Well, I can be wrong. There is a very small chance, but I can be. So why not to make the experiments? If their view is right, it should be extremely simple.

Also if you're setting out to make a model to explain lunar phases, can't you see the necessity for a geographically accurate map?

There you go then

In your answer the moon is considered spherical.

When the moon and sun are at the same altitude one half of the lunar surface is illuminated and pointing towards the sun

This can happen only on a 3 dimensional object. a disc will be fully lit or fully shaded, very few inbetweens and the shape would be different.

So I still have no idea where to put the moon and the sun, how they wobble, nothing.

Also if you're setting out to make a model to explain lunar phases, can't you see the necessity for a geographically accurate map?

Lunar phases are observed from anywhere on earth, irrelevant which continent you are, land or ocean. I can pick a point on the plane of the earth, look in the direction in the moon and I should be able to simulate the phases. So I don't have to care about the shape of the land masses at all. Later we can discuss everything, but for now I need a model to work with.

You see an image, but I am actually building a simulation. In the end all should work together if the flat earth is right. For comparison, maybe later today I will build the heliocentric spherical model.

The sun, if we follow the FET specifications, is about 32 miles in diameter and transits over the earth at a height of 3.000 miles. https://wiki.tfes.org/Sun.
The moon has the same size and is at the same distance of the earth as the sun.

Their trajectories are a bit more of a mistery to me. I'd guess they follow the ecuator, altering their path and moving closer and farther form the north pole as the stations go. How, I don't know.
Then there's the problem of how can the sun keep the Antartic continent lit up while maintaining the night/day cicle in the rest of the globe during the couple weeks around Christmas.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab

Well, you'll need a map first.

Why do I need a map now, when my concern is how and where I place the sun and the moon relative to the disc of the Earth?

Well, wherever you place the sun it must match the know day-night cycle for a particular location on the planet.  For this you need a map.

If you are not bothered about matching the day-night cycle then you slap the sun wherever you like.  Someone recently created a model which involved most of Europe in permanent darkness...

The moon is perhaps even more problematic.  I've no idea where you'd even start with that.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab

Well, you'll need a map first.

Why do I need a map now, when my concern is how and where I place the sun and the moon relative to the disc of the Earth?
I can change it later 77 times, if you want to, but at this moment my concern is only the moon and the sun.

Quote from: JimmyTheCrab

If you're not a flat earther, then you must know that it's impossible to create a model, for obvious reasons.

Well, I can be wrong. There is a very small chance, but I can be. So why not to make the experiments? If their view is right, it should be extremely simple.

First off, people can not live on just one side of the FE as demonstrated here:
(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66457.0)

The above indicates that the Sun and Moon have to go around the EDGE (the TRUE equator) of the disk. So you have to start out with a correct model. A model with people living on just one side does not have a SINGLE POINT S.Pole above which is the S. Celestial Pole (the center of southern star trails).

So you CAN NOT have a correct placement of the Sun and Moon on a single sided FE however hard you try.

BTW, a dual Earth would (1) have a single point S.Pole that is MANDATORY for pictures of the southern star trails and (2) Australia and S.America would be better proportioned another VERY important thing and (3) the distances on the south disk would be better.