Gleason's map has a patent on it?

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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It doesn't show and pieces accurately. And no this isn't what Google Earth use.

Quote from: charm on February 22, 2016, 09:28:12 PM

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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It doesn't show and pieces accurately. And no this isn't what Google Earth use.

I wonder who is using it. Do you have an idea?

Google doesn't use satellite images, those are just zoomed into aerial from a sphere shape. But the outline of the map itself doesn't match up with Gleason?

Quote from: LeMadScientist on February 22, 2016, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: charm on February 22, 2016, 09:28:12 PM

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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It doesn't show and pieces accurately. And no this isn't what Google Earth use.

I wonder who is using it. Do you have an idea?

Google doesn't use satellite images, those are just zoomed into aerial from a sphere shape. But the outline of the map itself doesn't match up with Gleason?

Google earth uses low earth orbit satellites,  aerial photography,  drones,  balloons,  even kites.  Whatever they can get.  Depending on how far you zoom.

The Gleason map is useless in the Southern Hemisphere.   Nothing works.

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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The "Universal planisphere complete guidance and computer system" is a "circular slide-rule" type of hand "computer" for doing navigational calculations. If it not something related at all to modern digital computers.
For the basic map it does use the 1892 Gleason's Projection, but there is no indication that is for anything other than navigation on or above a globe.

There is an interesting note:

from http://www.google.com/patents/US3858334
Thus, for example, the same application of straight-line navigational procedure using azimuthal equidistant projections set forth above is equally as valid when applied to spacecraft navigation. Once the astronauts position as it relates to the fixed background of the sky objects is determined, Houston Control Center is in a position to determine a straight-line course'to bring the spaceship to a predetermined location on Earth or on the moon and fix the time of arrival of the spacecraft at the location.

The author sure believed in a globe and space travel!

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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Yes, the Gleason Map has a patent, dated 1892, so I guess it has lapsed!

Quote from: charm on February 22, 2016, 09:28:12 PM

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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http://www.google.com/patents/US3858334

The "Universal planisphere complete guidance and computer system" is a "circular slide-rule" type of hand "computer" for doing navigational calculations. If it not something related at all to modern digital computers.
For the basic map it does use the 1892 Gleason's Projection, but there is no indication that is for anything other than navigation on or above a globe.

There is an interesting note:

Quote from: Eisenhauer William A

from http://www.google.com/patents/US3858334
Thus, for example, the same application of straight-line navigational procedure using azimuthal equidistant projections set forth above is equally as valid when applied to spacecraft navigation. Once the astronauts position as it relates to the fixed background of the sky objects is determined, Houston Control Center is in a position to determine a straight-line course'to bring the spaceship to a predetermined location on Earth or on the moon and fix the time of arrival of the spacecraft at the location.

The author sure believed in a globe and space travel!

Thanks! I'm going to trust you aren't lying about this. 

Another dumb thread by the FE'ers.

Another dumb thread by the FE'ers.

Sokarul collects urine.

Quote from: charm on February 22, 2016, 10:13:39 PM

Quote from: LeMadScientist on February 22, 2016, 10:00:23 PM

Quote from: charm on February 22, 2016, 09:28:12 PM

Why on flat earth is a flat earth map more accurate than a round map? It's being used for computers, is this what NASA uses to zoom in with on google earth maps?

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http://www.google.com/patents/US3858334

It doesn't show and pieces accurately. And no this isn't what Google Earth use.

I wonder who is using it. Do you have an idea?

Google doesn't use satellite images, those are just zoomed into aerial from a sphere shape. But the outline of the map itself doesn't match up with Gleason?

Google earth uses low earth orbit satellites,  aerial photography,  drones,  balloons,  even kites.  Whatever they can get.  Depending on how far you zoom.

The Gleason map is useless in the Southern Hemisphere.   Nothing works.

you are correct when you say that, "Google earth uses low earth orbit satellites,  aerial photography,  drones,  balloons,  even kites", Because that is what I've read too. However, US patent US 497917 A. Is for a 'Time Chart' that children or anyone can use to see what time it is in different parts of the world. The patent also says, "On the face of the map proper, and within another circle (still toward the center) is laid out the continents, principal islands, rivers and cities of the world; their latitudes and longitudes corresponding to the latitudes and longitudes of all other first class geographical globe maps or charts of the world." I have looked into this map and it is the bases for many other scientific devices of the time. Without having a real device and only using a printed version off the internet, I have compared the eastern and western cities of Australia and as close as I can tell it is correct in the sense of lat lon compared to Google earth. I believe the map is accurate in the southern hemisphere as well as the northern hemisphere. However, the grid is not straight as on other maps. The grid lines are angled out from the center and this makes things look much larger then they actually are in mostly the southern hemisphere. If we are talking navigation and the lat lon is accurate, how does this matter if the earthly entities are out of proportion to what we know in the real world?

I believe the map is accurate in the southern hemisphere as well as the northern hemisphere.

You must be the only person in the world to believe that.

If we are talking navigation and the lat lon is accurate, how does this matter if the earthly entities are out of proportion to what we know in the real world?

The shapes of the continents are all wrong and the distance, especially in the Southern hemisphere, are way out.  The only distances that are correct are measured from the centre point.

If you want to use it for your round the world yacht trip, then good luck with that...

Quote from: Yendor on February 24, 2016, 06:32:02 AM

I believe the map is accurate in the southern hemisphere as well as the northern hemisphere.

You must be the only person in the world to believe that.

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If we are talking navigation and the lat lon is accurate, how does this matter if the earthly entities are out of proportion to what we know in the real world?

The shapes of the continents are all wrong and the distance, especially in the Southern hemisphere, are way out.  The only distances that are correct are measured from the centre point.

If you want to use it for your round the world yacht trip, then good luck with that...

tell me jimmy, would you use a globe for your round the world yacht trip? It is the same difference. The Gleason map, like a globe is not meant for navigation. You should realize that jimmy.

However, the grid is not straight as on other maps. The grid lines are angled out from the center and this makes things look much larger then they actually are in mostly the southern hemisphere. If we are talking navigation and the lat lon is accurate, how does this matter if the earthly entities are out of proportion to what we know in the real world?

And therefor we know this map layout is inaccurate in it's depiction of the world if it is indeed flat.  Any east-west distance would require a continuously variable scale from the north pole to the south.  Actually, only direct north/south distances on that map match reality.

A flat map of a flat Earth should not have any distortion of real features.

Quote from: Yendor on February 24, 2016, 06:32:02 AM

However, the grid is not straight as on other maps. The grid lines are angled out from the center and this makes things look much larger then they actually are in mostly the southern hemisphere. If we are talking navigation and the lat lon is accurate, how does this matter if the earthly entities are out of proportion to what we know in the real world?

And therefor we know this map layout is inaccurate in it's depiction of the world if it is indeed flat.  Any east-west distance would require a continuously variable scale from the north pole to the south.  Actually, only direct north/south distances on that map match reality.

A flat map of a flat Earth should not have any distortion of real features.

Like i said in my earlier post, "US patent US 497917 A. Is for a 'Time Chart' that children or anyone can use to see what time it is in different parts of the world." Did you look at the patent?
It is just a tool intended for children to see what time it is in different parts of the world. Because it was designed to be a real teaching device, wouldn't you think it would be accurate as far as lat lon goes? The patent even states, "On the face of the map proper, and within another circle (still toward the center) is laid out the continents, principal islands, rivers and cities of the world; their latitudes and longitudes corresponding to the latitudes and longitudes of all other first class geographical globe maps or charts of the world." If that was not true, I'm sure the patent office would not have issued it a patent. This device is also used as the foundation for other scientific devices.

Yendor, I notice you are not quoting this from the patent:

The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

So Gleason himself talks about the how he created the map by projecting from a globe, and why he has done it that way.  Gleason is in no doubt that that the earth is a globe and his map a is merely a 2D representation of it, with all the usual problems that come with projections.

Why are you making ludicrous claims for the Gleason map that Gleason himself clearly didn't believe?

Yendor, I notice you are not quoting this from the patent:

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The map is not so extorted as to lose the relative latitude and longitude of any places on the land or sea, but retains all latitudes and longitudes of places agreeing with other recognized authors; and as the proper relations of continents and countries all stand in their relative position to each other, they are thus impressed upon the mind of the student. The extorsion of the map from that of a globe consists, mainly in the straightening out of the meridian lines allowing each to retain their original value from Greenwich, the equator to the two poles.

So Gleason himself talks about the how he created the map by projecting from a globe, and why he has done it that way.  Gleason is in no doubt that that the earth is a globe and his map a is merely a 2D representation of it, with all the usual problems that come with projections.

Why are you making ludicrous claims for the Gleason map that Gleason himself clearly didn't believe?

Please go back and read what I wrote. I never wrote anything that contradicts what you just  wrote. I never claimed it was a map of the flat earth. I just said the lat lon was correct as close as I could tell because I was using a copy from the internet. I also said that the grid went at an angle, so this makes things look much larger then they actually are in mostly the southern hemisphere. I simply said it was a teaching device so children could tell what time it was around the world. Show me where I made ludicrous claims and I will surely apologize to you personally.

The question I would have would be : "Why was a patent awarded for Gleason's Map ?"

It seems to be just a carbon copy of "The Unipolar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection"of the globe ?

Maybe Gleason did the projection himself, but the method he used would have probably been the same and the results the same ? There is a note that he attributes it as a projection of  " On the projection of J.S. Christopher of the "Modern" (sic) [Morden] College, Blackheath, England." Notice he mis-spelled "Morden" as "Modern" ?
Was this done on purpose ?

 it certainly isn't an accurate map of "The World As It Is" and most certainly not "The New Standard Map Of The World"? And not "Scientifically and Practically  Correct."

I suppose by a bit of stretching (pun intended) you could say it was correct if you used a different scale of miles for each degree of longitude or latitude  ?

In all fairness to Gleason, I don't think he intended his map to be an accurate map of a flat earth, but just a flat map made from a projection of the globe ?

The very fact that Gleason noted that his map was a projection should be an indication that Gleason knew the earth was a globe and not a flat disc ?

Claiming Gleason's Map is an accurate map of a flat earth is no different than claiming that The Unipoloar Azimuthal Equidistant Projection, the Bipolar Projection or the UN Logo is an accurate map of a flat earth ?

It seems that if this is The Flat Earth Society Forum Website, the FES would be claiming that Gleason's Map was an accurate map of a flat earth, and that Gleason's Map was proof that the earth was a flat disc ?