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General Questions
« on: November 13, 2015, 06:00:36 AM »
1. Why are NASA etc. orchestrating this conspiracy?
2. What evidence do you have that space exploration is fake? (You can go and watch the rockets take off)
3. What about people who have traveled across Antarctica?
4. Why can't you see the edge of the world? (Why is there a horizon?)
5. Why isn't it day and night at the same time everywhere in the world?
6. How can you travel all the way around the world by plane in a straight line?
7. Is there anything on the other side of the Earth?
8. What happens at the edge?
9. You say that you only believe what you can experience, but doesn't that have some quite troubling consequences for everyday life, eg. how do you know the world exists outside the room you are in, when you are not observing it?
10. In the absence of direct experience, why don't sound mathematical theories suffice?
11. What about bubbles. By observing bubbles we can see that a sphere is the natural shape for formless matter to take as it is the strongest one. (There are no vertices/corners)

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 12:46:19 PM »
I've got a feeling the conspiracy nuts aren't taking any actual questions today

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 03:39:13 PM »
Seriously, how about a reasonable number of questions? Or even using the search function?

1, 2, 3 rely on the Earth being flat, 4, 5, 6, are in the FAQ, 9 is bizarrely philosophical and irrelevant to a lot of FEers, 10 and 11 are meaningless until you make ceratin assumptions (ie: theories being relevant, the forces at play forming the Earth comparing to those on a bubble), 7 and 8 have FE answers and DE answers, the latter taking too long to explain.
For an example clear answer, 1: space travel is impossible under the Dual Earth FET, it started for political gain, now no one wants to admit to being the first to have failed. There's no Flat Earth conspiracy, just a space travel conspiracy.
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Re: General Questions
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2015, 02:27:52 AM »
Seriously, how about a reasonable number of questions? Or even using the search function?

1, 2, 3 rely on the Earth being flat, 4, 5, 6, are in the FAQ, 9 is bizarrely philosophical and irrelevant to a lot of FEers, 10 and 11 are meaningless until you make ceratin assumptions (ie: theories being relevant, the forces at play forming the Earth comparing to those on a bubble), 7 and 8 have FE answers and DE answers, the latter taking too long to explain.
For an example clear answer, 1: space travel is impossible under the Dual Earth FET, it started for political gain, now no one wants to admit to being the first to have failed. There's no Flat Earth conspiracy, just a space travel conspiracy.

You failed to answer his generally acceptable questions. You blatantly ignore the first 2 and 3, refer him to somewhere else for 4-6, ignore 9 (you can at least explain why it irrelevant).

You say there are answers to 7 and 8, but you never gave them.

You only attempted number one.

I've noticed this trend among people on the forum. People ask clear cut questions and they never get clear responses in return.
"It isn't that they can't see the solution. It is that they can't see the problem."

The brilliant G. K. Chesterton

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2015, 02:57:25 AM »
Seriously, how about a reasonable number of questions? Or even using the search function?

1, 2, 3 rely on the Earth being flat, 4, 5, 6, are in the FAQ, 9 is bizarrely philosophical and irrelevant to a lot of FEers, 10 and 11 are meaningless until you make ceratin assumptions (ie: theories being relevant, the forces at play forming the Earth comparing to those on a bubble), 7 and 8 have FE answers and DE answers, the latter taking too long to explain.
For an example clear answer, 1: space travel is impossible under the Dual Earth FET, it started for political gain, now no one wants to admit to being the first to have failed. There's no Flat Earth conspiracy, just a space travel conspiracy.
re. 1 - we launch and use satellites successfully.

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 03:22:07 AM »
re. 1 - we launch and use satellites successfully.

A claim you are incapable of justifying every time you bring it up. I'd have thought you'd have learned by now. Just because you want to say something doesn't make it true.


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You failed to answer his generally acceptable questions.
Yes. As I said, it remains a tedious and lazy argument from exhaustion.

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You blatantly ignore the first 2 and 3, refer him to somewhere else for 4-6, ignore 9 (you can at least explain why it irrelevant).
I addressed the first 1-3: the answers follow from the Earth being flat. For 4-6, if he did not read the FAQ he is wasting everybody's time. 9 doesn't even address FET, how is it not irrelevant?!

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You say there are answers to 7 and 8, but you never gave them.
Because there is a search function and I see no point handholding lazy idiots who couldn't even read an FAQ.

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I've noticed this trend among people on the forum. People ask clear cut questions and they never get clear responses in return.
Often because they're so profoundly ignorant of the most basic aspects of FET it's a waste of time given they've demonstrated a lack of interest in learning the model.
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Re: General Questions
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2015, 01:38:52 PM »
What's under the flat earth if that's what we live in?
Scripture, facts, science, stats, and logic is how I argue.

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 05:09:03 PM »
What's under the flat earth if that's what we live in?

What makes you think that anyone has been under the flat Earth to see what it consists of? 

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2015, 04:51:13 PM »
Seriously, how about a reasonable number of questions? Or even using the search function?

"1, 2, 3 rely on the Earth being flat"- That's a circular argument; you are using the assumption that the earth is flat in order to disprove arguments against the world being flat.
"9 is bizarrely philosophical and irrelevant to a lot of FEers"- Why is it irrelevant?
"10 and 11 are meaningless until you make ceratin assumptions (ie: theories being relevant, the forces at play forming the Earth comparing to those on a bubble)"- The assumption is that maths is correct. Do you guys question that too?
"7 and 8 have FE answers and DE answers, the latter taking too long to explain."- That's convenient
"For an example clear answer, 1: space travel is impossible under the Dual Earth FET, it started for political gain, now no one wants to admit to being the first to have failed. There's no Flat Earth conspiracy, just a space travel conspiracy."- Where's your evidence of failure?
The fact that you got so angry at me asking some common sense questions suggests that you are struggling to answer them but lack the open-mindedness to admit you are wrong. Remember, Abraham Lincoln said that the sign of a great man is that he can admit that he is wrong, but then again he thought the world was round.

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2015, 01:14:06 AM »
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That's a circular argument; you are using the assumption that the earth is flat in order to disprove arguments against the world being flat.
Uh, no. The answers are trivial under the FE model: they result from it. If we know the world is flat for separate reasons, the conclusions are simple (such as the more detailed answer I gave for 1).

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Why is it irrelevant?
Not all FEers hold it. Read.

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The assumption is that maths is correct. Do you guys question that too?
Not the assumption. Read.

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That's convenient
Note the sig rather than mocking. I'm not going to write pages and pages to explain a model to someone too lazy to even use a search function.

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Where's your evidence of failure?
Results from FET.

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The fact that you got so angry at me asking some common sense questions suggests that you are struggling to answer them but lack the open-mindedness to admit you are wrong. Remember, Abraham Lincoln said that the sign of a great man is that he can admit that he is wrong, but then again he thought the world was round.
Same to you. I get angry when [expletive] like you come in, can't be bothered to do something as simple as use the search function, and whine about the same [expletive]EVERY OTHER NEWBIE on this site complains about. Are you really arrogant enough to think that in all the years this forum has been running, no one else has been smart enough to ask those quetsions?
They've been answered a ridiculous amount of times, the simple fact is you're not interested in any kind of honest discussion, because that would require learning the FE model: which you have evidently not even tried to do.

How do youe xpect me to react when yet another moron comes along and asks the same pathetic questions that have been asked hundreds of times before?! If you were interested in learning FET, you'd have seen the answers by now. the fact is you're not, you're just trying to mock it.
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Re: General Questions
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2015, 02:21:57 PM »
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That's a circular argument; you are using the assumption that the earth is flat in order to disprove arguments against the world being flat.
Uh, no. The answers are trivial under the FE model: they result from it. If we know the world is flat for separate reasons, the conclusions are simple (such as the more detailed answer I gave for 1).

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Why is it irrelevant?
Not all FEers hold it. Read.

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The assumption is that maths is correct. Do you guys question that too?
Not the assumption. Read.

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That's convenient
Note the sig rather than mocking. I'm not going to write pages and pages to explain a model to someone too lazy to even use a search function.

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Where's your evidence of failure?
Results from FET.

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The fact that you got so angry at me asking some common sense questions suggests that you are struggling to answer them but lack the open-mindedness to admit you are wrong. Remember, Abraham Lincoln said that the sign of a great man is that he can admit that he is wrong, but then again he thought the world was round.
Same to you. I get angry when fuckwits like you come in, can't be bothered to do something as simple as use the search function, and whine about the same bullshit EVERY OTHER NEWBIE on this site complains about. Are you really arrogant enough to think that in all the years this forum has been running, no one else has been smart enough to ask those quetsions?
They've been answered a ridiculous amount of times, the simple fact is you're not interested in any kind of honest discussion, because that would require learning the FE model: which you have evidently not even tried to do.

How do youe xpect me to react when yet another moron comes along and asks the same pathetic questions that have been asked hundreds of times before?! If you were interested in learning FET, you'd have seen the answers by now. the fact is you're not, you're just trying to mock it.

I notice you are still failing to answer my questions, and I think that you just proved my point about the anger. Also, you need to brush up on what a circular argument is, because yours is as round as the Earth.

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2015, 11:44:29 PM »
I notice you are still failing to answer my questions, and I think that you just proved my point about the anger. Also, you need to brush up on what a circular argument is, because yours is as round as the Earth.
And you're ignoring everything I say. When you're dealing with an intentionally irritating and ignorant petulant child who somehow thinks they're the fount of all knowledge, anger is pretty justified. How about you read and consider my actual argument than what you want it to be?
You seem to be of the opinion that the only possible way to determine that the Earth is flat is through what your tiny little mind could arrive at. is it really that hard to consider otherwise? If we know it to be flat for separate reasons, then there's no circular argument whatsoever.
Claiming I didn't answer your question when I addressed nearly every point, and demonstrated the fallacy in demanding an answer for the others. Outright liar, then, you'll fit right in among REers.
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Re: General Questions
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2015, 12:17:20 AM »
I took 5 mins to check the answers too see how helpful would they be for me. Here are my results.

1, 2, 3 rely on the Earth being flat,
1: ok, the Earth is flat, so everyone has to do something to hide it.
2: How does it rely? You can send a toy-rocket to the space (~100km altitude).
3: How does it rely? 

4, 5, 6, are in the FAQ, 
4: Expect the explaination is based on flawed argument about the horizon/viewing distance/perspective.
5: Expect the 3000 miles/5000 km stated in FAQ does not work for the FE model. It was showed to be wrong.
6: Expect FAQ changes straight line to travelling east/west. I noticed every FE believer does the same thing...

9 is bizarrely philosophical and irrelevant to a lot of FEers,
To most people, I believe.

10 and 11 are meaningless until you make ceratin assumptions (ie: theories being relevant, the forces at play forming the Earth comparing to those on a bubble)
Sounds fine.

7 and 8 have FE answers and DE answers, the latter taking too long to explain.
Why did you skip the answer to them in FE model and refer only to DE as being too long?

For an example clear answer, 1: space travel is impossible under the Dual Earth FET, it started for political gain, now no one wants to admit to being the first to have failed. There's no Flat Earth conspiracy, just a space travel conspiracy.
Why it is impossible in common FET? Your answer refer to the other (Dual Earth FET) model only.

Feel free to provide (or not, it is up to you) more details.


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Re: General Questions
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2015, 12:24:10 AM »
2, 3: there are more than the direct implications of Earth shape. The surroundings would clearly vary between models as well, Antarctica proving a good example. Toy rockets have been discussed multiple times: they're ambiguous at best.

4, 5, 6: and yet even you are rejecting it without reading it. Do you always make claims about what you don't know?

7, 8, 1: why should I spend time defending a model I don't hold?
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Re: General Questions
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2015, 02:26:23 AM »
2, 3: there are more than the direct implications of Earth shape.
Direct how? You just repeat the same thing without providing an actual answer.

The surroundings would clearly vary between models as well, Antarctica proving a good example.
I agree with. I have seen at least two-three different explainations.

Toy rockets have been discussed multiple times: they're ambiguous at best.
The same toy rockets or baloons are used by FE believers to support "the horizon is flat" or "there is a hot spot under the Sun". My point is that they somehow work in favour of FE (no ambiguity), but against RE (ambiguous). At least from some FE believers point of view.

4, 5, 6: and yet even you are rejecting it without reading it. Do you always make claims about what you don't know?
I read them. Do you always make claims about what you do not know?

7, 8, 1: why should I spend time defending a model I don't hold?
Why do you spend time answering questions about the model you do not hold? Especially when wiki/FAQ section does not describe your model.

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Re: General Questions
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2015, 08:25:23 AM »
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Direct how? You just repeat the same thing without providing an actual answer.
The clarification being in the rest of the same sentence. Kinda pointless to cut it off.

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My point is that they somehow work in favour of FE... At least from some FE believers point of view.
There you go. There are trolls on this forum.

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I read them. Do you always make claims about what you do not know?
Then reference what is said, rather than what you expect to be said.

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Why do you spend time answering questions about the model you do not hold? Especially when wiki/FAQ section does not describe your model.
Questions are relevant to FET as a whole. The FAQ provides answers, some of which are relevant to both: regardless, the point was simply to show the clear lack of any interets in FET on hcoles' part. They're making the same arguments that've been done countless times because apparently he's arrogant enough to think that everyone else must have been too stupid to think of them. It's tedious.
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