How do flat earthers explain the observation of Jupiter's moons by amateurs?

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DonaldC

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Uh no no and no.

As for as The Bedfords level experiment, it was demonstraded to have had bad controls. Alfred Russel Wallace, a surveyor bet Rowbotham and won. If done properly you will not get the figure you state for the distance to the sun. The CH tower thread shows Pongo cannot do any real math. Kansas? The band or state? Oi vey.

There are a few discredited experiments for FET, whilst RET has a plethora of experiments and data.

From Wikipedia:

Summary of evidence for a spherical earth[edit]
These are given in an order which approximates how they were observed historically:

When at sea it is possible to see high mountains or elevated lights in the distance before lower-lying ground and the mast of a boat before the hull. It is also possible to see further by climbing higher in the ship, or, when on land, on high cliffs.
The sun is lower in the sky as you travel away from the tropics. For example, when traveling northward, stars such as Polaris, the north star, are higher in the sky, whereas other bright stars such as Canopus, visible in Egypt, disappear from the sky.
The length of daylight varies more between summer and winter the farther you are from the equator.
The earth throws a circular shadow on the moon during a lunar eclipse.
The times reported for lunar eclipses (which are seen simultaneously) are many hours later in the east (e.g. India) than in the west (e.g. Europe). Local times are confirmed later by travel using chronometers and telegraphic communication.
When you travel far south, to Ethiopia or India, the sun throws a shadow south at certain times of the year. Even farther (e.g. Argentina) and the shadow is always in the south.
It is possible to circumnavigate the world; that is, to travel around the world and return to where you started.
Travelers who circumnavigate the earth observe the gain or loss of a day relative to those who did not. See also International Date Line.
An artificial satellite can circle the earth continuously and even be geostationary.
The earth appears as a disc on photographs taken from space, regardless of the vantage point.
Several of these arguments have alternative explanations by themselves. e.g. the shadow thrown by a lunar eclipse could be caused by a disk-shaped earth. Similarly the north-south movement of stars in the sky with travel could mean they are much closer to earth. However, the arguments strengthen each together.


A rotating oblong spheriod, is the Earth's shape.
This fact explains day/night, the Foucault Pendulum, Coriolis Effect, Tides, and more.
FET is incapable of describing any of these without repeated ad hoc ideas floated without an iota of evidence. Aether this, bendy light that.

If FET wants to supplant RET it has to better explain these phenomena and the emperical evidence better than RET does.
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mikeman7918

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Math does not show that the Earth is flat.

Yes it does. Trig proves that the Sun is about 3000 miles away. This is in our wiki.

What about Sunsets?  How does that make any sense at all in FET?
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neimoka

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Math does not show that the Earth is flat.

Yes it does. Trig proves that the Sun is about 3000 miles away. This is in our wiki.
Does your wiki also mention how the numbers only work out on equinox?

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Dinosaur Neil

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Math does not show that the Earth is flat.

Yes it does. Trig proves that the Sun is about 3000 miles away. This is in our wiki.
Does your wiki also mention how the numbers only work out on equinox?

Except that the position the sun rises and sets at on the equinox disproves the rest of the theory because it's due east/west everywhere, which can't happen on flat earth. I expect one of the Standard Trolls will now invoke aether as an "explanation". Fortunately I think I've blocked them all.
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Slemon

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Except that the position the sun rises and sets at on the equinox disproves the rest of the theory because it's due east/west everywhere, which can't happen on flat earth. I expect one of the Standard Trolls will now invoke aether as an "explanation". Fortunately I think I've blocked them all.

Aether does it!
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Dinosaur Neil

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Except that the position the sun rises and sets at on the equinox disproves the rest of the theory because it's due east/west everywhere, which can't happen on flat earth. I expect one of the Standard Trolls will now invoke aether as an "explanation". Fortunately I think I've blocked them all.

Aether does it!

Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!  >:(
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FlatAllTheWay

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Simple. Jupiter is a sphere and it has moons. It is moving upward along with the Earth, so it is always in the same position for observation. Not many FE'ers deny the existence of other planets. You'd know this if you paid attention.

But don't you think it's funny how Jupiter's Moon's follow Kepler's laws of planetary motion?  Why would the aether do that?

Jupiter is in a galactic lane that is influenced by gravity, hence the sphere. Aether just pushes Jupiter upward.

I am not asking what, if anything, pushes Jupiter.  I am asking what pushes its moons.  Are you saying aether pushes the moons around Jupiter?  If so, please give us a formula that describes this motion.
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