Satellite Phones

For DirecTV, I'm 38 deg. You point lower then me in the sky. Are you sure you can't be picking up a signal from a microwave antenna on a building in your area?

I might have the angle wrong, but there is no building top with the LOS of the dish and its tolerance is extremely small.

Quote from: Rodney Baker on July 28, 2014, 12:34:44 PM

For DirecTV, I'm 38 deg. You point lower then me in the sky. Are you sure you can't be picking up a signal from a microwave antenna on a building in your area?

I might have the angle wrong, but there is no building top with the LOS of the dish and its tolerance is extremely small.

You can work out the exact angle from here

The footage of launches definitely is all kinda fishy, isn't it?  Maybe that finally deserves its own topic!

They just use the ionosphere to bounce signals, that's all, algorithms a decoder and you're done.

No flying chunks of metal at an impossible height. No soaring, Sesame Street-style rockets with giant flames bulging around space. No flying penguin "shuttles" going deep into the thermosphere. No international space station with diapered astronauts floating around, wasting time, making YouTube videos about doing nothing and how much of a waste of money it is, making musicals on ukelele.

Quote from: Rama Set on July 28, 2014, 02:16:58 PM

Quote from: Rodney Baker on July 28, 2014, 12:34:44 PM

For DirecTV, I'm 38 deg. You point lower then me in the sky. Are you sure you can't be picking up a signal from a microwave antenna on a building in your area?

I might have the angle wrong, but there is no building top with the LOS of the dish and its tolerance is extremely small.

You can work out the exact angle from here

My dish points at 38.3 degrees then.

In regards to the notion that I may be receiving a signal via ionospheric bounce, I think if that were the case, then you would have a larger tolerance in the dish placement. Perhaps someone who knows more on the subject can elaborate?

The footage of launches definitely is all kinda fishy, isn't it?  Maybe that finally deserves its own topic!

They just use the ionosphere to bounce signals, that's all, algorithms a decoder and you're done.

No flying chunks of metal at an impossible height. No soaring, Sesame Street-style rockets with giant flames bulging around space. No flying penguin "shuttles" going deep into the thermosphere. No international space station with diapered astronauts floating around, wasting time, making YouTube videos about doing nothing and how much of a waste of money it is, making musicals on ukelele.

They do not bounce signals. If they did where are the transmitters and why do dishes need to be accurately aligned?

Quote from: Goth on July 29, 2014, 03:56:58 AM

The footage of launches definitely is all kinda fishy, isn't it?  Maybe that finally deserves its own topic!

They just use the ionosphere to bounce signals, that's all, algorithms a decoder and you're done.

No flying chunks of metal at an impossible height. No soaring, Sesame Street-style rockets with giant flames bulging around space. No flying penguin "shuttles" going deep into the thermosphere. No international space station with diapered astronauts floating around, wasting time, making YouTube videos about doing nothing and how much of a waste of money it is, making musicals on ukelele.

They do not bounce signals. If they did where are the transmitters and why do dishes need to be accurately aligned?

Could be,' signal interference, its possible to cause the received signal to be completely unintelligible.

Quote from: inquisitive on July 29, 2014, 11:37:22 PM

Quote from: Goth on July 29, 2014, 03:56:58 AM

The footage of launches definitely is all kinda fishy, isn't it?  Maybe that finally deserves its own topic!

They just use the ionosphere to bounce signals, that's all, algorithms a decoder and you're done.

No flying chunks of metal at an impossible height. No soaring, Sesame Street-style rockets with giant flames bulging around space. No flying penguin "shuttles" going deep into the thermosphere. No international space station with diapered astronauts floating around, wasting time, making YouTube videos about doing nothing and how much of a waste of money it is, making musicals on ukelele.

They do not bounce signals. If they did where are the transmitters and why do dishes need to be accurately aligned?

Could be,' signal interference, its possible to cause the received signal to be completely unintelligible.

You do not understand how satellite tv works. End of story.

Quote from: Rodney Baker on July 28, 2014, 10:47:39 AM

Septi,

How do you explain sky TV when the directional dishes are pointed towards the sky were no transmitting antennas are located? Do you believe a signal is bounced off the ionosphere to the dishes?

Not just that. You think there's no transmitters located but if you were to go looking you would find that there is. It's just relays and repeaters and boosters, etc. All ground based.

So go looking for some and come back here with pictures you took from your own camera.

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 28, 2014, 11:01:03 AM

Quote from: Rodney Baker on July 28, 2014, 10:47:39 AM

Septi,

How do you explain sky TV when the directional dishes are pointed towards the sky were no transmitting antennas are located? Do you believe a signal is bounced off the ionosphere to the dishes?

Not just that. You think there's no transmitters located but if you were to go looking you would find that there is. It's just relays and repeaters and boosters, etc. All ground based.

So go looking for some and come back here with pictures you took from your own camera.

We are still waiting.

Quote from: Umurweird on July 30, 2014, 03:18:07 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on July 28, 2014, 11:01:03 AM

Quote from: Rodney Baker on July 28, 2014, 10:47:39 AM

Septi,

How do you explain sky TV when the directional dishes are pointed towards the sky were no transmitting antennas are located? Do you believe a signal is bounced off the ionosphere to the dishes?

Not just that. You think there's no transmitters located but if you were to go looking you would find that there is. It's just relays and repeaters and boosters, etc. All ground based.

So go looking for some and come back here with pictures you took from your own camera.

We are still waiting.

Inquisitive, please refrain from posting in FEQ&A unless you are offering either a Flat Earth question or answer.  Thanks. 

Why is it not possible to provide verified pictures of the land based transmitters that transmit the signals received by satellite dishes? With details of location and reciever angles.

Because, transmitters are located everywhere, we have all seen then, and it is very hard to prove exactly what they are transmitting.  I could show you pictures of transmitters, and waste a lot of time giving you their exact locations, but I could not prove, with a picture, exactly what they are transmitting.  Do you agree?

Because, transmitters are located everywhere, we have all seen then, and it is very hard to prove exactly what they are transmitting.  I could show you pictures of transmitters, and waste a lot of time giving you their exact locations, but I could not prove, with a picture, exactly what they are transmitting.  Do you agree?

People who design and install broadcast know exactly how it works.  I could refer you to details of satellite and land transmitters. Satellites dishes have to be accurately aligned and point at a particular satsllite, try it.

Quote from: jroa on July 30, 2014, 01:33:02 PM

Because, transmitters are located everywhere, we have all seen then, and it is very hard to prove exactly what they are transmitting.  I could show you pictures of transmitters, and waste a lot of time giving you their exact locations, but I could not prove, with a picture, exactly what they are transmitting.  Do you agree?

People who design and install broadcast know exactly how it works.  I could refer you to details of satellite and land transmitters. Satellites dishes have to be accurately aligned and point at a particular satsllite, try it.

Really?  I used to be both a cable and dish installer back in my youth, and I could explain to you the small little part of the grand scheme of things that I did, but that does not mean that I understood the whole process.  You seem to think that if a person aligns a satellite dish, then that means that they know everything that takes place in the process of receiving the signal. 

Quote from: inquisitive on July 30, 2014, 01:42:18 PM

Quote from: jroa on July 30, 2014, 01:33:02 PM

Because, transmitters are located everywhere, we have all seen then, and it is very hard to prove exactly what they are transmitting.  I could show you pictures of transmitters, and waste a lot of time giving you their exact locations, but I could not prove, with a picture, exactly what they are transmitting.  Do you agree?

People who design and install broadcast know exactly how it works.  I could refer you to details of satellite and land transmitters. Satellites dishes have to be accurately aligned and point at a particular satsllite, try it.

Really?  I used to be both a cable and dish installer back in my youth, and I could explain to you the small little part of the grand scheme of things that I did, but that does not mean that I understood the whole process.  You seem to think that if a person aligns a satellite dish, then that means that they know everything that takes place in the process of receiving the signal.

They may know that all the maths on setting up the dish involves pointing at a single set of satellites at 28.2E if they are in the UK.  And no dishes point north. 

What do you think the uplink dishes point at?

Similarly how do you think we get live HD pictures from war zones and the middle of oceans?  A link has been provided previously of the equipment used.