Sun Speed

If the Sun circles above the FE, at the northern solstice it would be travelling at approx 980 km/hour. Whereas at the southern solstice it needs to be at about 1,630 km/hour to get around in 24 hours. This is around a 60% variation. One would have thought that this variation would have been noticed by now.

If the Sun circles above the FE, at the northern solstice it would be travelling at approx 980 km/hour. Whereas at the southern solstice it needs to be at about 1,630 km/hour to get around in 24 hours. This is around a 60% variation. One would have thought that this variation would have been noticed by now.

I knew the sun had to change speed. I am curious how they are going to answer it that makes sense.

It is likely that the sun changes altitude slightly.  We know that different altitudes have different velocities.  This is why the sun and moon have slightly different orbital periods. 

I thought both were 3000 km away?

Nobody said it is exactly 3000 km all the time.  Just like when RE scientists give you the distance from the Earth to the sun, it is just an average. 

Nobody said it is exactly 3000 km all the time.  Just like when RE scientists give you the distance from the Earth to the sun, it is just an average.

To quote, you, i believe, when presented with a piece of evidence that you think fits too nicely into RE:

that's convenient

Quite convenient, in fact. 

Quite convenient, in fact. 

So, i suppose since altitude has nothing to do with the period of rotation around an object, I suppose your theory also maintains that the orbit of the sun grows and shrinks to accommodate the slower movement?

The sun moves in many mysterious ways.  The growing and shrinking of the orbital diameter is only one of these ways, but it does also account for the seasons. 

The sun moves in many mysterious ways.  The growing and shrinking of the orbital diameter is only one of these ways, but it does also account for the seasons.

it probably won't be until next week (on account of needing to get prepared for finals until tuesday) but I'll look at doing some math and some pictures, and see how much sense they make once you see it on paper.

The difference in speed is 40% not 60% as I stated. 980 is about 60% of 1630.
Apologies for my error.  Can a variation in altitude account for this?
My question is, why hasn't this variation been noticed?
The second question is, what are the variations in altitude to make this possible?
These are not answers I have not been able to research out.

RE'ers will tell you the various distances of the Earth from the Sun at any given time.

Nobody said it is exactly 3000 km all the time.  Just like when RE scientists give you the distance from the Earth to the sun, it is just an average.

It is given as an average but the exact distance is also known at all times.

I agree with Jroa.  The sun and moon change altitude as they circle the Earth.  It explains the Perihelion and Aphelion of the sun and Perigee/Apogee of the moon.

I agree with Jroa.  The sun and moon change altitude as they circle the Earth.  It explains the Perihelion and Aphelion of the sun and Perigee/Apogee of the moon.

How and what changes the altitude of the sun? I am sure you must know since you make the claim.

What would the variation in altitude be between Northern Equinox and Southern Equinox?

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 28, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

I agree with Jroa.  The sun and moon change altitude as they circle the Earth.  It explains the Perihelion and Aphelion of the sun and Perigee/Apogee of the moon.

How and what changes the altitude of the sun? I am sure you must know since you make the claim.

What causes gravity?  Is it a boson?  Is it bendy space time?  Is it a force?  Oh, you don't know, so it must not be real, according to your logic. 

We know the distance round the 2 tropics is the same.  What is it according to fe theory/measurements?

When did you measure the distances around both tropics to verify that they are the same?

Quote from: Starman on April 28, 2014, 05:09:13 AM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 28, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

I agree with Jroa.  The sun and moon change altitude as they circle the Earth.  It explains the Perihelion and Aphelion of the sun and Perigee/Apogee of the moon.

How and what changes the altitude of the sun? I am sure you must know since you make the claim.

What causes gravity?  Is it a boson?  Is it bendy space time?  Is it a force?  Oh, you don't know, so it must not be real, according to your logic.

Question with another question is not the right answer. You first!

When did you measure the distances around both tropics to verify that they are the same?

As first asked, what are the FE distances?

Quote from: jroa on April 28, 2014, 07:38:41 AM

Quote from: Starman on April 28, 2014, 05:09:13 AM

Quote from: EarthIsASpaceship on April 28, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

I agree with Jroa.  The sun and moon change altitude as they circle the Earth.  It explains the Perihelion and Aphelion of the sun and Perigee/Apogee of the moon.

How and what changes the altitude of the sun? I am sure you must know since you make the claim.

What causes gravity?  Is it a boson?  Is it bendy space time?  Is it a force?  Oh, you don't know, so it must not be real, according to your logic.

Question with another question is not the right answer. You first!

So, just because you can not figure out the question mark, your question is somehow better than mine? 

How gravity works and how whatever-swings-the-FE-sun about works are both unknowns, sure. However:

The hypothesis of universal gravitation immediately and totally predicts all celestial and orbital behaviours within a very wide range of speeds. It does so precisely enough to enable a vast new tract of science and technology. Outside those ranges, special and general relativity can be used to make precise predictions, these are precise enough to predict celestial motion right out to almost the largest of scales. With relativity comes not only a working model of most of the heavens but global timekeeping to a trillionth of a second and all the science and technology that enables.

The implied question, which is a fair one, is: what predictions can be made with the hypothesis that the sun moves "mysteriously", or that its orbit "changes".

Or in other words: is there an FE model which can predict the observed movement of a celestial body across the sky? Or do the movements (which are all predicted by RE models) just get filed under "mysterious"? And finally - is that really a satisfactory answer?

Uh, excuse me, but gravity does not work all the time.  It only works within a limited frame of reference.  That is why scientists needed to make up things like dark energy and dark matter.  Gravity falls apart when you get into large scales of reference. 

The hypothesis of universal gravitation immediately and totally predicts all celestial and orbital behaviours within a very wide range of speeds.

Subsitute "make up" with hypothesise, and you're dead right.

I think you quoted the wrong person. 

Ok, so what's happening here. Is the implication that variations in gravity cause the suns differing heights. But, FE doesn't have gravity it has continuous acceleration. Perhaps the eddies of the UA force cause the variations. What is UA? You get less info about UA than you do about gravity

I think you quoted the wrong person.

Not at all. Your whole post was pointing out something I had already written. Repeating the part you (presumably) missed, with emphasis seemed reasonable.