Very Large Array Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

I am not sure what you expect these FE guys to say here. I had a similar kind of thread before, and the best thought they came up with was rainwater collector

I do not believe that any physical artifacts placed on the Earth's surface offer any demonstrable proof to its shape. Admittedly, it would be rather costly waste of space were they merely props, aimed at duping the population of the world, but by the same token, 'Space Mountain' at Disney Land is a very costly attempt at making me suspend my disbelief to feel I am in space for 30 seconds.

That said, Space Mountain has yet to deliver cosmological observations, deep space data and information on black holes, so I am going to hold the opinion that this array does serve some cosmological purpose beyond that of conspiracy, or indeed rainwater collection.

I do not believe that any physical artifacts placed on the Earth's surface offer any demonstrable proof to its shape. Admittedly, it would be rather costly waste of space were they merely props, aimed at duping the population of the world, but by the same token, 'Space Mountain' at Disney Land is a very costly attempt at making me suspend my disbelief to feel I am in space for 30 seconds.

That said, Space Mountain has yet to deliver cosmological observations, deep space data and information on black holes, so I am going to hold the opinion that this array does serve some cosmological purpose beyond that of conspiracy, or indeed rainwater collection.

Well in my thread (http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php/topic,58262.0.html), it is very simple to demonstrate what the dishes are for. I showed pictures of meshed satellite TV dishes and yet these guys argued that they were simply rainwater collectors.

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 21, 2013, 11:15:44 PM

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

Wow.

Quote from: Pongo on April 22, 2013, 02:17:56 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 21, 2013, 11:15:44 PM

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

Wow.

Don't start that. Breakfast foods exist!

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

Well, it is a little different. Breakfast foods do not present evidence regarding the Earth's shape. A radio array on the other hand, does.

Dishes in the desert at least offer a few positions that present evidence. It is either:

A) A real radio array, providing deep space and cosmological data as reported.
B) Not a real radio array, in which case the reported deep space and cosmological data is fabricated.

If A is proved true, then this raises a spear for those that maintain the Earth is round to present further questions regarding the size of the universe, and its mechanics, such as Universal Acceleration etc. It would throw such positions maintained by Flat Earth proponents regarding the distance between our planet and other universal bodies into question.

If B is proved true, then this lends ammunition for those that seek evidence of a conspiracy, or fabrication of other space related material, such as the ISS and indeed the Moon landings. It also brings any other deep space data collected from other sites into question.

I can guarantee that any position maintained regarding an explanation for breakfast food would leave the shape of the Earth safely out of intelligent question.

Quote from: Rama Set on April 22, 2013, 03:06:26 PM

Quote from: Pongo on April 22, 2013, 02:17:56 PM

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 21, 2013, 11:15:44 PM

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

Wow.

Don't start that. Breakfast foods exist!

Implying that the picture in the OP is fake?

Oh, its likely real. Proof of existence isn't proof of function. Like the Cartesian said, they might well just collect rain for all we know.

Oh, its likely real. Proof of existence isn't proof of function. Like the Cartesian said, they might well just collect rain for all we know.

Except that there is a dearth of evidence for it being a Radio Array. By all means use the pathetic tactic of extending your conspiracy.

Quote from: Googleotomy on April 21, 2013, 11:15:44 PM

What explanation does the FES have on the VLA Radio Astronomy site in New Mexico ?

Has this been discussed before ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_Large_Array

There is an array of dishes on the desert. I don't know what you're looking for me to explain here. This is like me asking, "What explanation do round-earthers have for breakfast foods?"

And you became a moderator.... how?

So the crux of the OP's question is, "How does astronomy work on a flat-earth?" Not, "Explain this seemingly unrelated thing in relation to a flat-earth." Astronomy is simple, people look into space, or listen for light if you will, and make erroneous conclusions with their data. It's basically reverse microxenobiology but without any aliens.

As far as breakfast foods existing, they are all relative and can in fact be consumed at any time of the day or night. Thus negating the limiting time restrictions of their name and, quite frankly, themselves as well.

No, the crux of the OP is more "This is a radio array that is reported to give data on things impossible in the FE model. What is it if not what it is reported to be?"

Sadly, the general theme of discussions in this vein stray into boundaries of "Well, it can't be a radio array, because that's pointless, because we live on a Flat Earth."

Discussions are nonsense in light of such an argument, which is why I refrain from taking part in them.

I can, however, argue that breakfast foods, while redundant due to reasons you specified, are not linked in any way to the shape of the Earth.

I still do not see how a radio array proves the shape of the Earth.  No one said that radio waves do not exist on a flat Earth.  They are likely collecting something.  Perhaps EW creates some sort of radiation or stars give off a small amount.  It is also possible that they are not collecting anything and the project is just another way of funneling money into the pockets of the conspiracy, though I think the people there do believe they are doing something meaningful. 

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

You are correct, Jroa. No collection of dishes in the desert can conclusively prove the shape of the Earth. Just as no photograph can prove the existence of a flat / round Earth.

Of greater importance is what it is officially reported to be. In this instance, it is reported to be a radio array collecting deep space and cosmological data. This is either true, or a lie. If it is a lie, then it must be something different; either a prop to mislead, or actually serving an unknown purpose. Generally, some deeper evidence beyond "It must be a lie, because it wouldn't work on a flat Earth, and the Earth is flat" or "We are told it is a radio array collecting data, so it must be," would be appreciated.

At best, we can speculate either side of the fence as to its purpose - there is interest in that, however, so continue on!

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal.  This means that there is a lot of dense air to disperse the signal and it will be essentially dead before it reaches my receiver. 

You are correct, Jroa. No collection of dishes in the desert can conclusively prove the shape of the Earth. Just as no photograph can prove the existence of a flat / round Earth.

Of greater importance is what it is officially reported to be. In this instance, it is reported to be a radio array collecting deep space and cosmological data. This is either true, or a lie. If it is a lie, then it must be something different; either a prop to mislead, or actually serving an unknown purpose. Generally, some deeper evidence beyond "It must be a lie, because it wouldn't work on a flat Earth, and the Earth is flat" or "We are told it is a radio array collecting data, so it must be," would be appreciated.

At best, we can speculate either side of the fence as to its purpose - there is interest in that, however, so continue on!

I agree and I would be interested in finding out what it is.  I am glad that we at least agree that either way, it does not prove the shape of the Earth.

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 01:53:59 AM

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal.  This means that there is a lot of dense air to disperse the signal and it will be essentially dead before it reaches my receiver.

Thank you for confirming that the earth is indeed round

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 02:43:23 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 01:53:59 AM

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal.  This means that there is a lot of dense air to disperse the signal and it will be essentially dead before it reaches my receiver.

Thank you for confirming that the earth is indeed round

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 03:58:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 02:43:23 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 01:53:59 AM

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal.  This means that there is a lot of dense air to disperse the signal and it will be essentially dead before it reaches my receiver.

Thank you for confirming that the earth is indeed round

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 03:58:23 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 02:43:23 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 01:53:59 AM

There is actually a relationship between radio array and flat earth. If you accept the fact that radio array is used to capture radio waves emitted by celestial objects and that the earth is flat then why can't radio array "see" celestial objects located above the other hemisphere. In round earth, this is because those objects are blocked the earth.

But what explanation does FE have?

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal.  This means that there is a lot of dense air to disperse the signal and it will be essentially dead before it reaches my receiver.

Thank you for confirming that the earth is indeed round

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

If you are going to quote me, at least quote the next part where I explain why it would not work, unless you can show that it can?

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:16:50 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

If you are going to quote me, at least quote the next part where I explain why it would not work, unless you can show that it can?

I am quoting how you would point the dish to do it which shows that actually deep down you, you do believe in round earth.

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:16:50 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

If you are going to quote me, at least quote the next part where I explain why it would not work, unless you can show that it can?

I am quoting how you would point the dish to do it which shows that actually deep down you, you do believe in round earth.

Yeah, yeah.  Pointing the dish, but leaving out the part about the dense air that the radio waves can not pass through is a little dishonest, don't you think?

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:30:24 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:16:50 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

If you are going to quote me, at least quote the next part where I explain why it would not work, unless you can show that it can?

I am quoting how you would point the dish to do it which shows that actually deep down you, you do believe in round earth.

Yeah, yeah.  Pointing the dish, but leaving out the part about the dense air that the radio waves can not pass through is a little dishonest, don't you think?

Yes the pointing the dish bit. Indeed

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:33:21 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:30:24 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:18:47 AM

Quote from: Cartesian on April 23, 2013, 04:16:50 AM

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

Great!  Now show an example of that configuration.   

This

Quote from: jroa on April 23, 2013, 04:14:05 AM

If I am in the US and I point a dish antennae towards the sky above Chile, the angle of the dish will be very low.  In fact, it would be almost horizontal. 

If you are going to quote me, at least quote the next part where I explain why it would not work, unless you can show that it can?

I am quoting how you would point the dish to do it which shows that actually deep down you, you do believe in round earth.

Yeah, yeah.  Pointing the dish, but leaving out the part about the dense air that the radio waves can not pass through is a little dishonest, don't you think?

Yes the pointing the dish bit. Indeed

You have yet to prove that that configuration actually exists.  I can play with geometry too, and make any shape I want.

You have yet to prove that that configuration actually exists.  I can play with geometry too, and make any shape I want.

I am really curious to see how you can provide me with a drawing of a horizontal angled dish in US which points to a star above Chile

I just got home and I am tired.  I will give you a visual in 8 or so hours. 

I just got home and I am tired.  I will give you a visual in 8 or so hours.

Take your time jroa. Sleep well