3d map of flat and round earth for comparision

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2012, 01:29:13 PM »
How high is "pretty high," I wonder?

Pretty.

Weren't you just warned for low content posting?

My post was not low content. I put you in the right direction for finding the altitude. You say that two miles is not high, I say that it's pretty high. That's 1,624 and a half Michael Jordons, 1,565 Magic Johnsons, and 1,490 Shaquille O'Neils, who are all widely recognized to be pretty tall indeed.

As I recall, 2 miles (10,560 feet) is well below the altitude that is generally recognized as being required to discern the curvature of the round earth.  So, in this case, while 2 miles may seem pretty high, it is, in fact, not high enough.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2012, 02:17:35 PM »
How high is "pretty high," I wonder?

Pretty.

Weren't you just warned for low content posting?

My post was not low content. I put you in the right direction for finding the altitude. You say that two miles is not high, I say that it's pretty high. That's 1,624 and a half Michael Jordons, 1,565 Magic Johnsons, and 1,490 Shaquille O'Neils, who are all widely recognized to be pretty tall indeed.

You're just trolling now Tom. And poorly if I might add. They might be "pretty tall," but on the scale of things they're puny.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2012, 02:57:30 PM »
You're just trolling now Tom. And poorly if I might add. They might be "pretty tall," but on the scale of things they're puny.

What scale?

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2012, 12:58:53 PM »
Just as I thought.

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #34 on: October 01, 2012, 06:20:51 AM »
You're just trolling now Tom. And poorly if I might add. They might be "pretty tall," but on the scale of things they're puny.

What scale?

Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like. You can claim victory for me not answering while I wasn't near a computer if you want Tom. I hope that satisfies you.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #35 on: October 01, 2012, 10:07:31 AM »
Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like.

Those are all different scales. Which one is the scale for "pretty tall" and "puny"?

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2012, 10:16:16 AM »
Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like.

Those are all different scales. Which one is the scale for "pretty tall" and "puny"?

Those people are puny on all of those scales. It's like a single bacteria on a human scale. You can't even see Michael Jordan compared to the Earth, as you can't see a bacterium compared to a human.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #37 on: October 01, 2012, 10:33:24 AM »
Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like.

Those are all different scales. Which one is the scale for "pretty tall" and "puny"?

Which scale do you think is relevant to the discussion?
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #38 on: October 01, 2012, 04:21:33 PM »
Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like.

Those are all different scales. Which one is the scale for "pretty tall" and "puny"?

Which scale do you think is relevant to the discussion?
none and it is derailing the topic after a previous warning for low content....
tom trolls? no way!

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #39 on: October 02, 2012, 06:24:57 AM »
Global, Galactic, Universal. Whichever you like.

Those are all different scales. Which one is the scale for "pretty tall" and "puny"?

Which scale do you think is relevant to the discussion?
none and it is derailing the topic after a previous warning for low content....
tom trolls? no way!

The topic derailed itself. It's ridiculous to think you could use Blender 3d to simulate actually gaining altitude in the real world.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2012, 06:51:15 AM »
"The topic derailed itself. It's ridiculous to think you could use Blender 3d to simulate actually gaining altitude in the real world."

What... the... hell???

Nah... I can't possible have read this phrase, it's too stupid to be real.

Add.: So, it's impossible to simulate gain in altitude on google earth too? AWESOME

Add2.: Also on any flight simulator, don't even try.

Add3.: Nah, nah, don't matter if it's in scale, a 3d simulation is impossiBRU
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2012, 07:02:25 AM »
"The topic derailed itself. It's ridiculous to think you could use Blender 3d to simulate actually gaining altitude in the real world."

What... the... hell???

Nah... I can't possible have read this phrase, it's too stupid to be real.

Add.: So, it's impossible to simulate gain in altitude on google earth too? AWESOME

Add2.: Also on any flight simulator, don't even try.

Add3.: Nah, nah, don't matter if it's in scale, a 3d simulation is impossiBRU

Perhaps I should have been more clear. You can't simulate the human perspective of gaining altitude in any computer simulation as it has it's limitations. Most importantly the fact that your eyes are unconsciously attracted to contrast, the real depth of field, and peripheral vision.
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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2012, 07:34:23 AM »
"Perhaps I should have been more clear. You can't simulate the human perspective of gaining altitude in any computer simulation as it has it's limitations. Most importantly the fact that your eyes are unconsciously attracted to contrast, the real depth of field, and peripheral vision."
- You can simulate a camera of a video or a photo, and you can simulate in 3d the peripheral vision, by using a that special 3d google helmet (that I don't know if there is on sale nowadays). And depth of field don't matter enough here, if at all. Also the "unconsciously attracted to contrast" don't matter since the center of the camera, that matters, is on a straight angle all the time.

The thing it shows, and it's obvious if you think about the diference of a table to a sphere, is that, when someone is looking to the ocean for example (the ocean has to be curved or else Earth is not a sphere) the line of the horizon on a sphere can't reach the 90º degrees angle, never, don't matter the size.
And it is not just a little bellow 90º degrees that we would not perceive on real life, plus the thing that the line of the horizon goes FAST down with the gain in altitude.
By that video we see that, althought we can't analyze if it's right in the middle (I had the impression that it went down just a little bit), we can see that on amost 29 kms of altitude the line is still on 90 or a little less.

Someone here said something on the line of "even on that height we should not see any curvature yet on picture or videos (because of the lack of peripheral vision), so the line is still on that height", but it don't seens correct, on that height the line should have gone WAY below, or else Earth would have to be bigger (and she can't get bigger because of the angle of the Sun).

There is other test that can be done to solve the matter, but I don't know if I will do because I am dispointed by the lack of response on this forum right now. I was expecting more coments on both sides, but what I see most is some dumb, some doubter who don't want to do proper research, and the liers, like you. But I guess I understand why: you research a subject, you test on reality, you see it's real and that people are being tricked, yet, when you show it, people decide to believe on argument from liers and ignore it. So, if this is the reason, I can understand why so little responses/talks in geral, as the old members can see when it's futile to discuss further with certain kind of people.

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Re: 3d map of flat and round earth for comparision
« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2012, 08:48:39 AM »
"Perhaps I should have been more clear. You can't simulate the human perspective of gaining altitude in any computer simulation as it has it's limitations. Most importantly the fact that your eyes are unconsciously attracted to contrast, the real depth of field, and peripheral vision."
- You can simulate a camera of a video or a photo, and you can simulate in 3d the peripheral vision, by using a that special 3d google helmet (that I don't know if there is on sale nowadays). And depth of field don't matter enough here, if at all. Also the "unconsciously attracted to contrast" don't matter since the center of the camera, that matters, is on a straight angle all the time.

The thing it shows, and it's obvious if you think about the diference of a table to a sphere, is that, when someone is looking to the ocean for example (the ocean has to be curved or else Earth is not a sphere) the line of the horizon on a sphere can't reach the 90º degrees angle, never, don't matter the size.
And it is not just a little bellow 90º degrees that we would not perceive on real life, plus the thing that the line of the horizon goes FAST down with the gain in altitude.
By that video we see that, althought we can't analyze if it's right in the middle (I had the impression that it went down just a little bit), we can see that on amost 29 kms of altitude the line is still on 90 or a little less.

Someone here said something on the line of "even on that height we should not see any curvature yet on picture or videos (because of the lack of peripheral vision), so the line is still on that height", but it don't seens correct, on that height the line should have gone WAY below, or else Earth would have to be bigger (and she can't get bigger because of the angle of the Sun).

There is other test that can be done to solve the matter, but I don't know if I will do because I am dispointed by the lack of response on this forum right now. I was expecting more coments on both sides, but what I see most is some dumb, some doubter who don't want to do proper research, and the liers, like you. But I guess I understand why: you research a subject, you test on reality, you see it's real and that people are being tricked, yet, when you show it, people decide to believe on argument from liers and ignore it. So, if this is the reason, I can understand why so little responses/talks in geral, as the old members can see when it's futile to discuss further with certain kind of people.

I don't think I appreciate being called a liar when you haven't even really tested this for yourself, but I'll let that one slide. You built a non-scale model in Blender and called it evidence, when you could have built a scale one (although maybe your computer can't handle that). If that is the case, you can do an experiment with a balloon and a camera for less than $100, which is a whole lot cheaper than a brand new computer. That still wont show any curvature on a spheroid with an average radius of over 6,000 km, which means the average circumference is over 37,680 km. In case that number is too large to fathom, If I drive from my home in Massachusetts to Hartford Connecticut, it's approximately 70 km and takes about a half an hour. If I drive from my home in Massachusetts to the section of the Appalachian Mountain Range that runs through my state, it's between 60-100 km depending on where I go, and takes anywhere from 40 minutes to and hour and a half. I cannot see Boston from the Mountains, and it is a mere 200 km, and it would take about 2 hours or more to get there. Just to give you a bit of a feel for how big Earth is, these distance I talk about are tiny in comparison to the circumference. So when we send a balloon 29 km into the sky... it's not really that far up.
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