What about the South Pole?

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walam006

What about the South Pole?
« on: May 02, 2006, 05:44:28 PM »
OK, let's look at this logically.  The North Pole is supposidely at the centre of the 'flat' earth, right.  
OK, so what happens to the south pole.  I mean, if I'm to use to UN symbol as a model, to south pole (or the entire continent of Antarctica!) isn't accounted for.
Am I to believe that the 'Ice Wall' surrounding the 'flat' earth is Antarctica.  What about the stations on Antarctica.  Why don't the scientists just take a little walk and look over the edge?  What does that say for chartered flights over Antarctica (and yes, they are real.  I live in Australia and, if you wish, you can take a chartered flight over Antarctica.)

Get real, guys!

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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2006, 06:26:07 PM »
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So have the disbelievers of flat earth theory (of which I consider myslef one) basically taken over this forum?


The recent influx of new members (due to the "Farking" of this site) has greatly increased the spam on this forum, and those of us who believe in or play devil's advocate for FE do not have the time or inclination to spend all of our time answering these. We do have lives outside of this forum.


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What about the South Pole?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2006, 08:00:39 PM »
If you FE realy want to prove your theory, why don't you go to Antartica and see the ice wall for yourself. Maybe when you reach the South Pole you will finnaly realize how dumb this theory is
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« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2006, 11:00:37 PM »
One could also, in theory, circumnavigate the entire edge of the south pole and measure the distance taken. If the Earth was actually flat, then we would certainly, without possible doubt, expect the measurement to be eqaul to the size of Earth's perimeter.

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2006, 11:03:48 PM »
that makes me think of something; go to the tropic of cancer, go around the world, see how far you went.  Then go to the tropic of capricorn, go around the world, see how far you went.  When they are pretty much equal, you disprove flat Earth.

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WhiteDUDE

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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2006, 12:03:15 AM »
Arent the north and south poles reversing

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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2006, 01:02:23 AM »
The voyage around the perimeter of "Antarctica" has been attempted and desribed as incomparably longer than a voyage at the corresponding longitude in the so-called northern hemisphere.  (See the informative flat earth book entitled 'Is the Bible From Heaven? Is the Earth a Globe?' for expansion on this.  I photocopied mine at the library through inter-library loan.)
 
  The fact is sphericism is a theory whose advocates twist facts to meet their pre-conceived ideas.  I am primarily thinking of the longitudinal and latitudinal coordinate system followed by Gerhardus Mercator and company.  (I realize latitude lines have predecessors going all the way back to the "climes" even used by ancient flat earthers and which I am hardly disputing.  The modern "fixed" system based on Greenwich is the subject of my ire.)  Since the sixteenth century a lot of people automatically assume the world is spherical just because the model of that school of cartographers indicates all the so-called "exact" distances from any point to another point on their scale of the world.  Small irregularities in this are typically blown off when they are encountered in actual computation of distance.  How about if they were off?

  Two damnable good reasons people for the most part do not believe in unchartered islands and seldom venture to such is they rule out the possibility due to their uncritical acceptance of Mercatorean style models, and modern western education and media systems scoff at it.

  Widespread uncritical assumption that the shape of the world corresponds to some form of Mercator's fabricated system has limited not only thought in the quest for truth and knowledge, but as a consequence also actual exploration of those geographical areas not coming within the bounds of the artificial mercatorean model.

  A prominent example from a relevant and analagous subject:
(The following is not a divergence, but supports the above statements as will be seen.)

  The leading cryptozoologist Loren Coleman wrote a very informative book entitled "Field Guide to Lake Monsters, Sea Serpents, and Other Mystery Denizens of the Deep."  In an appendice of this book, he tackles the question as to why the reporting of sea serpents has been on the decline.  To summarize, the amount of ships going out to sea in the oceans these days is on the decline as well.  It is not the quantity it used to be at its height.  There is less exploration, and that exploration is more specialized research.  The ships that do go to sea these days do not explore like those that did earlier.  The ocean going ships of today follow well travelled ocean shipping lanes which most of the ships use.  The amount of activity in these well defined areas is a repellent to sea serpents and much aquatic life in general including those which are quite unusual to modern men.  Also, disbelief in their existence and the mockery that ensues are hampers to sea serpents ever being reported.  Coleman quotes a navy veteran concerning his observance of a sea serpent in the northern Atlantic while Officer of the Deck on the bridge.  The bridge personnel agreed the monster was not a whale, but the bottom line is that it was never reported.  I myself was in the US Navy until earlier this year attached to a submarine.  On the submarines I have been on (and I stood watch in the Control room), the sonar supervisor made reports to the Officer of the Deck (via an energized circuit).  Whenever the supervisor reported "Conn, sonar detects biologics, bearing ____," everyone always blew it off as a whale.  The most that would happen is the Officer of the Deck would order a course change if it was in our path.  Everyone assumes things without seeing them or investigating.  It is no surprise sea serpent reportings are on the decline.  

  However, Coleman quoted the logbook of the voyage that a handful of guys took on a large raft they built departing Lima, Peru across the Pacific Ocean to the Far East in 1946.  They did not use the usual shipping lanes.  They encountered first hand a great number of gigantic sea serpents and uncommon and gargantuan marine animals.  The well travelled ocean shipping lanes are not the place to see these things, folks.  It's like taking a poll on George Bush's popularity by interviewing his mother.

  By the same token, unchartered islands and seas are not to be discounted merely becuase the world models in most reference books provide no room or thought to the subject.

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 09:09:34 PM »
that makes me think of something; go to the tropic of cancer, go around the world, see how far you went.  Then go to the tropic of capricorn, go around the world, see how far you went.  When they are pretty much equal, you disprove flat Earth.

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2012, 09:27:25 PM »
If you do agree to undertake this experiment, increase your provisions and supplies sevenfold.

I believe that, due to being misinformed about the true nature of the southern, or rimward portion of the earth plane,  many ships have become lost at sea or - at worse - succumbed to the vile temptation of cannibalism.

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2012, 10:09:48 PM »
Well... with today's technology I was thinking fly around the world.  You could do it in a day.  You could follow the sun's path.  You would have a big crossing over the pacific.  Surely you could rely on the sun and not GPS, right?
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« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2012, 10:18:04 PM »
I guess it would be a choice between being adrift at the mercy of the sea - or a swift end as your aircraft runs out of petrol. 

Either way its much too risky for me.

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2012, 08:09:28 AM »
If you do agree to undertake this experiment, increase your provisions and supplies sevenfold.

I believe that, due to being misinformed about the true nature of the southern, or rimward portion of the earth plane,  many ships have become lost at sea or - at worse - succumbed to the vile temptation of cannibalism.


I have yet to hear of a ship traveling around Antarctica that has gotten lost at sea or found themselves in any vile predicament in recent years. Many of my friends have been on the Polar Sea and Polar Star that travel to Antarctica. I myself was on the Polar Sea a while back. It is not exactly hard to sail around Antarctica.

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2012, 12:58:53 PM »
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/23/AR2007112300189.html
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The red-hulled M/S Explorer struck ice, took on water as 154 passengers and crew members scrambled to safety aboard lifeboats and rafts, then went to the bottom. It was the second time this year that an Antarctic cruise ship had to be evacuated. On Jan. 31, a Norwegian ship, the Nordkapp, ran aground near the South Shetland Islands and 370 people aboard were rescued.

http://www.takepart.com/article/2011/02/25/norwegian-ship-lost-antarctica-captain-atv-south-pole
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A 48-foot sailboat with three crewmembers onboard has been lost off the coast of Antarctica for three days and is assumed sunk.  The last heard from the Norwegian-based Berserk was a distress signal sent on February 22 when it was just 18 miles off the coast, in the Ross Sea near New Zealand’s Scott Base.

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2010/s3092121.htm
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A South Korean fishing trawler has sunk near the Antarctic icesheet. Five of the crew have died and another 17 are missing.

http://jalopnik.com/5710216/damaged-us-cruise-ship-limps-through-antarctic-waters
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The Clelia II, an Antarctic cruise ship with 160 people onboard, lost an engine in a severe storm off the coast of Argentina and has to limp to port.

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In 2007, Holland America’s cruise ship MS Prinsendam, sailing in the Antarctic, was hit by two rogue waves causing severe damage to the upper decks. Luckily, no one lost their lives, although 40 people were taken to hospital, upon their arrival in Argentina.
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BoatswainsMate

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Re: What about the South Pole?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2012, 04:15:42 PM »
I had a bit to drink when I said that, ski. I actually don't even remember posting that.