ISS, and other questions

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2011, 03:10:53 PM »
My god tom is so wrong on all of these points I cannot be arsed and  too drunk

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2011, 03:30:23 PM »
Watch me, Tom. I can pick apart your posts, too.



Big difference. The fact that it's a lens just makes it easier to take videos with.

Yet my argument was that it was hard to track moving bodies with telescopes. I didn't say anything about camera lenses.
What is your point? A lens is a series of glass elements that focus light onto an imaging sensor. It's got a barrel and everything, just like a telescope does. And you can mount it on a tripod.

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It's also easy to focus on a plane looking through a sheet of glass. Looking at a plane through a sheet of glass wouldn't compare to looking at it through a telescope.
You couldn't be more wrong about this. If anything, a telescope is a "sheet of glass".



As shown here, a modern telescope has only 3 optical elements (4 if you count the objective piece). Any modern lens has at least 8 elements or more, including aspherical and anti-reflective elements to prevent against aberrations from the light diverging.



As you can see, it's actually the telescope that's simply a "sheet of glass"; the lens is a piece of technology. Don't confuse that.
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Also, with the right equipment (a very sturdy tripod), it might even be easier to shoot a video of a plane in the distance because it would appear to move slower than one flying straight above you.

No. The slightest tremors and movements of your hand prevent you from tracking far off moving bodies.

Clearly not.



And if it were out in the distance, with the right kind of tripod, you can get the plane in view with ease. It's much easier to focus on something not moving a lot, than something that is moving a lot. Right?
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If you have a camera at the business end, then what's the difference?

Looking through a telescope exaggerates the slight movements of your hands and decreases precision of movement.
True. So do lenses. The difference is, telescopes tend to be larger and longer than telephoto lenses. The whole idea of a telephoto lens is that its actual length is shorter than the focal length. So what's your point? Tripods will solve the "precision of movement" problem.

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A plane in the distance would be easier to track because it would appear to move more slowly than a plane directly overhead.

It would be harder to track because the telescope is focused on an extremely small area of the sky, which you need to track with millimeter precision.

Again, telescopes and lenses are basically the same thing, except lenses are made with more glass and refine the light before it reaches the image sensor.

Also, tripods.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2011, 03:44:01 PM »
Apparently you're also drunk. A telescope is not a sheet of glass. Neither is it a camera lens. A telescope can magnify a body hundreds of times its size. A typical Newtonian can reach 300-500x magnification. I've never seen any camera lens which could do that.

The shaking occurs while on a tripod. No one uses a telescope without a tripod. You still have to hand guide it. The imprecise movements and slight shakes of your hand touching the telescope makes everything in the distance look like an earthquake of immense proportions is occurring. This is why it's tracking the movement of a plane by hand guiding the telescope is not doable.
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2011, 03:56:16 PM »
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A telescope can magnify a body hundreds of times its size. A typical Newtonian can reach 300-500x magnification. I've never seen any camera lens which could do that.
My lens, with a teleconverter, is already close in league with your telescope with a magnification of 100x. Anything above 300x or so is a waste due to impurities in the atmosphere.

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No one uses a telescope without a tripod. You still have to hand guide it.
Not necessarily. Some tripods have knobs instead of a stick, and some yet are electronically guided. In the latter case, you may never have to touch the tripod.

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This is why it's tracking the movement of a plane by hand guiding the telescope is not doable.
Again, the video I showed you clearly demonstrates that this is possible. Maybe not with a telescope, but with a lens of sufficient focal length.

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2011, 04:02:06 PM »
Hello, I've been lurking here for awhile.  I've just joined.   :)

I did a quick search on YouTube and found the following:







There's more where that came from:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=airplane+filmed+on+telescope&aq=f

I simply could not believe that no one had ever filmed an airplane with a telescope.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2011, 04:07:12 PM by webbess10 »

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #35 on: June 17, 2011, 10:45:46 PM »
Now that his argument has been completely obliterated, Tom will either backpedal more, or abandon the thread just like he always does.
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2011, 01:17:04 AM »
I get the feeling they just state things without giving any proof, and upon finding out their wrong, running with their tails between their legs.

Call me paranoid, but is this a role-playing website?
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2011, 08:04:31 AM »
I get the feeling they just state things without giving any proof, and upon finding out their wrong, running with their tails between their legs.

You catch on pretty quick.
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2011, 06:40:59 PM »
Call me paranoid, but is this a role-playing website?

If you haven't noticed, they're all doing this to get a rise out of the visitors, and some have even openly admitted to being devil's advocates for this "Flat Earth Theory". Most of it is just practice in rhetoric and argument; the rest is just for lulz.

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2011, 01:16:27 AM »
The ISS and Shuttle are clearly being filmed in an underwater pool. Note the numerous bubbles throughout this video:



You can even see the scuba divers helping the astronauts if you look at the video monitors in mission control at the beginning of this video:



Note the first video comment "lol @ the scuba divers in the beginning"

You do realize those arent air bubbles right? Those are dust particles.....Almost the same kind that can be spotted in a dark room  using any camera that has a flash.....
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2011, 10:16:57 AM »
some people here seem to think that NASA are the only body involved in the ISS. its international hence the name, there are numerous space agencies involved from around the world including the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Russian Federal Space Agency (RKA), the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), the Canadian Space Agency (CSA), and the European Space Agency (ESA).

I suppose they are all in the conspiracy as well?

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i cant work out which of you are trolls and which of you are trolls trying to troll the trolls, and which of you are the trolls trying to troll the trolls that are trolling the trolls.

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2011, 06:55:07 PM »
some people here seem to think that NASA are the only body involved in the ISS. its international hence the name, there are numerous space agencies involved from around the world including the American National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), the Russian Federal Space Agency (RKA), the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA), the Canadian Space Agency (CSA), and the European Space Agency (ESA).

I suppose they are all in the conspiracy as well?

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-Air bubbles that have appeared in numerous videos purporting to be space videos do not equate to conspiracy.  Those floating air bubbles equate to fact.
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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #42 on: July 08, 2011, 07:03:17 PM »
some people here seem to think that NASA are the only body involved in the ISS.

When we say NASA, all the rest is implied.

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elliotuk

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2011, 01:38:20 PM »
some people here seem to think that NASA are the only body involved in the ISS.

When we say NASA, all the rest is implied.

there are 15 different nations involved in the ISS, are all the governing bodies from these 15 countries all involved in the cover up too then?
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i cant work out which of you are trolls and which of you are trolls trying to troll the trolls, and which of you are the trolls trying to troll the trolls that are trolling the trolls.

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elliotuk

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2011, 01:46:50 PM »
theres a good view of the underwater pool that the ISS is filmed in at 6:40-7:50 in this vid

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also around 8:00 in this one:

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i cant work out which of you are trolls and which of you are trolls trying to troll the trolls, and which of you are the trolls trying to troll the trolls that are trolling the trolls.

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Re: ISS, and other questions
« Reply #45 on: July 09, 2011, 09:19:24 PM »
theres a good view of the underwater pool that the ISS is filmed in at 6:40-7:50 in this vid

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also around 8:00 in this one:

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All I saw was smudges and reflections on a window as the camera swung outside.  Those would be really strange 'bubbles' if they travelled back and forth and around.  Dunno if squeegee kids are really common up there but looks like there might be a need.

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