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Why are most FEers on this board atheists?

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Winure

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Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« on: July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM »
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?  I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?  For things to work out that way, wouldn't a god be required?  What I'm saying is, nature doesn't happen in a way that favors our planet, sorry, plane in such a way that everything exists so that it can?  Does that make sense to anybody?  I'm not sure I articulated my thoughts clearly.  Regardless, given what I said, how would it make sense for atheists to believe this?
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 11:19:30 PM »
Assuming there is no god/creator and the RE model, isn't nature, in a way, favoring out planet by ours being the only one able to sustain life?
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 11:22:24 PM »
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?

Technically everything is revolving above us, but more or less, although I wouldn't presume that what we see above us embodies everything in the universe.  

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I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?

In what way?

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Quote from: wise on August 21, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
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Winure

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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 11:30:20 PM »
I thought you'd say that.
We're the only planet that sustains life that we know of.  It's not unlikely that with the vastness of our universe there are other planets with conditions similir to ours that also can sustain life.  Or maybe, other forms of life don't require the same conditions that we do.
And maybe you're right, and we are the only life forms in the universe.  That still doesn't refute the point that similir conditions to ours elsewhere in the universe couldn't one day support life.
Either way, life is a rare phenomenon, but not something as unlikely as the whole universe revolving around us.

Also, you're doing something I don't like very much.  Instead of answering my question, you ask your own and ignore mine.  You're perfectly at liberty to ask me anything you like, but it would help your cause more if  
you'd answer mine first.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 11:33:36 PM »
I'd answer your question if it made any sense at all. The shape of the Earth and the existence of a Creator are completely independent variables.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 11:35:44 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on July 06, 2009, 11:22:24 PM
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?

Technically everything is revolving above us, but more or less, although I wouldn't presume that what we see above us embodies everything in the universe.  

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I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?

In what way?



Are you saying that there are other planes?  Perhaps.  Do they also have seemingly engineered spotlights on them or just us?  That sounded kind of nasty but I didn't mean it to.

In what way, you ask?  Well, they shine directly at us, and no where else so that they can give us light, correct?
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 11:39:19 PM »
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:35:44 PM
Are you saying that there are other planes?

Other planes, perhaps, and who knows what else.

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In what way, you ask?  Well, they shine directly at us, and no where else so that they can give us light, correct?

Well, the sun nourishes life on our planet and nowhere else, correct?  Does that mean that RE science demands a Creator too?

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Quote from: wise on August 21, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2009, 02:19:03 AM »
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?

Incorrect. For infinite-Earth theorists, there are millions of square miles of uninhabitable ice and possibly other melted havens just like Earth.

Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
  I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?

No, wrong again. The placement of celestial bodies provides no evidence that there is any teleological arrangement.

Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
  For things to work out that way, wouldn't a god be required?  What I'm saying is, nature doesn't happen in a way that favors our planet, sorry, plane in such a way that everything exists so that it can? 

Wrong a third time. The same barmy argument is used by globular creationists, but it's deeply flawed. Of course the Earth is ideal for human life - it's not because some giant all-powerful being planned it that way, it's because human life EVOLVED in the environment of Earth, so of course humanity is well suited to the conditions of the Earth. If conditions had been different, we would have evolved differently, or not at all.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2009, 02:23:29 AM »
Quote from: J. McIntyre on July 07, 2009, 02:19:03 AM
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?

Incorrect. For infinite-Earth theorists, there are millions of square miles of uninhabitable ice and possibly other melted havens just like Earth.

Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
  I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?

No, wrong again. The placement of celestial bodies provides no evidence that there is any teleological arrangement.

Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
  For things to work out that way, wouldn't a god be required?  What I'm saying is, nature doesn't happen in a way that favors our planet, sorry, plane in such a way that everything exists so that it can? 

Wrong a third time. The same barmy argument is used by globular creationists, but it's deeply flawed. Of course the Earth is ideal for human life - it's not because some giant all-powerful being planned it that way, it's because human life EVOLVED in the environment of Earth, so of course humanity is well suited to the conditions of the Earth. If conditions had been different, we would have evolved differently, or not at all.

My thoughts exactly. Honestly, we make it pretty clear that this is not a religious theory, so I don't know why people are so insistent.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2009, 05:28:29 AM »
How did the sun and moon form so that their spotlight shined directly at us.
REers know how our sun and the other stars form and how planets form.  There are millions and other planets and millions more suns, we were just one that happens to support life.  But even if Earth was taken away, our solar system would still function the same way, with the other planets still revolving around the sun.  However, if the Flat Earth were to be taken away, the sun and moon would look silly, hanging there, shining their lights directly downwards at nothing.
Am I making sense?  Probably not.  I wish someone smarter than me was doing this instead.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2009, 05:31:41 AM »
Quote from: Winure on July 07, 2009, 05:28:29 AM
How did the sun and moon form so that their spotlight shined directly at us.

Because if they had formed elsewhere, life would have formed elsewhere and not here.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2009, 05:47:10 AM »
That is not explaining "how"

Try again.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2009, 05:50:28 AM »
Quote from: d00gz on July 07, 2009, 05:47:10 AM
That is not explaining "how"

Try again.

Please stop derailing the thread. I answered the question at hand; Winure clearly wanted to know why the Sun and Moon happen to be above us, and not the precise details of their formation.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2009, 05:57:18 AM »
I'm not derailing the thread, you didn't answer the question. You answered some other, simpler question that you made up to avoid looking silly for not being able to explain something as fundamental as the existence of the sun.

Read the question and try again, if you can.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2009, 06:02:54 AM »
Quote from: d00gz on July 07, 2009, 05:57:18 AM
I'm not derailing the thread, you didn't answer the question. You answered some other, simpler question that you made up to avoid looking silly for not being able to explain something as fundamental as the existence of the sun.

Read the question and try again, if you can.

You are derailing the thread, because if you have any sort of reasoning skills at all it would have occurred to you that the question was related to the subject raised in the OP, meaning the "how" was related specifically to how they ended up where we are, and not the process of their formation which is completely unrelated to the topic. I have reported your post and hopefully a moderator will come and clear this shit up.
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Quote from: Ævan on August 11, 2013, 01:18:20 PM
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2009, 06:08:25 AM »
The OP mentions nothing of the sort. You appear to have interpreted it that way.

Good for you. Telling on people, very mature.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2009, 06:12:10 AM »
Quote from: Waste of Mind on July 06, 2009, 11:19:30 PM
Assuming there is no god/creator and the RE model, isn't nature, in a way, favoring out planet by ours being the only one able to sustain life?

To the best of our knowledge, the earth is the only planet to currently sustain life.  However, other planets and moons, even within our own solar system, appear to have (or have had) conditions that are (or were) compatible with supporting life.  That life has not been found elsewhere does not mean that it doesn't exist elsewhere, only that out ability to search for extraterrestrial life is very limited at this time.  Life on our own little world has been found to be surprisingly adaptive to very harsh environments.  I believe that it's very foolish to think that we are truly alone in the universe.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2009, 11:42:13 AM »
Quote from: d00gz on July 07, 2009, 06:08:25 AM
The OP mentions nothing of the sort. You appear to have interpreted it that way.

Good for you. Telling on people, very mature.

The facility is there for a reason, and you are derailing the thread. The topic title and OP make it clear that he is asking about their formation as pertains to atheism and religion, and not looking for a detailed explanation. If you want to have a debate about that, then I suggest doing so in a thread where that is under discussion (and there are at least two active at the moment).
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2009, 01:54:26 AM »
Nothing about abiogenisis requires a defined shape in which life can form; be it a sphere, a plane, or even a svelte tetrahedron.  Thus, the highly debated shape of this world, whatever it be, is not an irreplaceable component for the formation of life.  If there is life elsewhere -- odds say there is -- there is nothing stopping it from living on a normal spherical planet caught in a heliocentric orbit.
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Re: Why are most FEers on this board atheists?
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2009, 03:31:55 PM »
Quote from: Winure on July 06, 2009, 11:08:43 PM
In the FE model of the universe everything revolves around the Earth, correct?  I mean, the sun, moon, stars, etc. are all for our benifet, correct?  For things to work out that way, wouldn't a god be required?  What I'm saying is, nature doesn't happen in a way that favors our planet, sorry, plane in such a way that everything exists so that it can?  Does that make sense to anybody?  I'm not sure I articulated my thoughts clearly.  Regardless, given what I said, how would it make sense for atheists to believe this?

Does everything that is unique require the explanation that god made it? I would argue it does not. Mind you, the earth is the only place where life has been found. Does that mean a god made people. There are many intelligent people who do not agree.
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