I heard the earth is spherical? :/

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2009, 06:02:04 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2009, 10:17:16 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2009, 11:07:21 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Do you mean besides the obvious contribution of pointing out when you claim that something is fact without support? Why, yes, I do and have.

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2009, 11:15:19 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Do you mean besides the obvious contribution of pointing out when you claim that something is fact without support? Why, yes, I do and have.

Well, post the data from the experiments.  Or do something to demonstrate that these people you speak of produce anything resembling experimental data relevant to the discussion.  Otherwise you're post had no value; it was nonsensical.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2009, 11:52:28 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Do you mean besides the obvious contribution of pointing out when you claim that something is fact without support? Why, yes, I do and have.

Well, post the data from the experiments.  Or do something to demonstrate that these people you speak of produce anything resembling experimental data relevant to the discussion.  Otherwise you're post had no value; it was nonsensical.
My post demonstrates that hundreds of people everyday see this clear and convincing evidence that RET is the better model.

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2009, 11:53:20 PM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Do you mean besides the obvious contribution of pointing out when you claim that something is fact without support? Why, yes, I do and have.

Well, post the data from the experiments.  Or do something to demonstrate that these people you speak of produce anything resembling experimental data relevant to the discussion.  Otherwise you're post had no value; it was nonsensical.
My post demonstrates that hundreds of people everyday see this clear and convincing evidence that RET is the better model.

Let's see the data supporting that statement then.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2009, 12:10:53 AM »
So at sea level, the horizon is 3 miles away. You're saying light bends enough to be noticed over 3 miles but not over 1 mile?

That's right.  We can even form an equation based on this very observation so we can approximate the path the light has taken during that 3 mile distance.  Of course we'd need some more accurate data for the calculation to be more than a very rough estimate.  It would be best if we had more than one point of data.
An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.
Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

And what data have these great scientists collected?
Again, you attack a strawman. I never said great scientists were involved, for example.

Well, I wasn't attacking a strawman, I was being sarcastic, to emphasize the fact that you incorrectly stated their activities as "experiments".
Do you have any evidence to support your "fact"?

Do you have anything of value to contribute?
Do you mean besides the obvious contribution of pointing out when you claim that something is fact without support? Why, yes, I do and have.

Well, post the data from the experiments.  Or do something to demonstrate that these people you speak of produce anything resembling experimental data relevant to the discussion.  Otherwise you're post had no value; it was nonsensical.
My post demonstrates that hundreds of people everyday see this clear and convincing evidence that RET is the better model.

Let's see the data supporting that statement then.
You need only look up the number of people who work in any building described. Take the Sear Tower, for example. 10,000 people work in that building alone with a great view of Lake Michigan. Reference: www.searstower.org/news.html. You can imagine that every day a good number of them change floors and have the opportunity to conclude this experiment.

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #67 on: March 20, 2009, 12:30:19 AM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #68 on: March 20, 2009, 12:44:56 AM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #69 on: March 20, 2009, 01:34:50 AM »
Are you implying that they published their data?

I don't think he said that. Please stop being so dishonest.
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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #70 on: March 20, 2009, 10:35:27 AM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #71 on: March 20, 2009, 12:01:35 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?

Are you implying that that's what he's implying? Please stop being so dishonest.

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #72 on: March 20, 2009, 12:27:05 PM »
he wasn't implying anything. he simply said that there are people who could do this experiment every day

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #73 on: March 20, 2009, 12:35:10 PM »
Then where is their data? What results do these experiments get?
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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #74 on: March 20, 2009, 12:41:39 PM »
he wasn't implying anything. he simply said that there are people who could do this experiment every day

No, he clearly stated that a specific group of people are performing a specific experiment every day to determine whether or not light actually bends.  It was this experiment:

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An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.

And this is his response:

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Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

Since it's clearly a data-gathering exercise described in the first case, I want to see evidence that the people of which he speaks have actually collected any data.  Otherwise he's spouting nonsense as usual, as described above.  

The fact that you treated his statement so seriously is precisely the reason it was necessary for him to be called out on it.  There's very little substance to most of what this troll posts; he's made it like his job to discredit this forum because he's incapable of thinking any way but literally and he's gotten it into his head that we're a dangerously subversive influence.
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Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #75 on: March 20, 2009, 03:34:57 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No.

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2009, 03:38:19 PM »
he wasn't implying anything. he simply said that there are people who could do this experiment every day
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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2009, 03:40:04 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No.

Then where is it?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2009, 03:48:50 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No.

Then where is it?

It's an ad hoc experiment with anecdotal data and subjective results.
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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #79 on: March 20, 2009, 03:53:00 PM »
he wasn't implying anything. he simply said that there are people who could do this experiment every day

No, he clearly stated that a specific group of people are performing a specific experiment every day to determine whether or not light actually bends.  It was this experiment:

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An example would be to find an offshore platform of known distance from shore and height above sea level and note how much is visible from different heights at the same point on the shore.  Having access to a scissor lift, or cherry picker would be ideal for such an experiment.

And this is his response:

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Excuse, but every day this experiment is done by people moving between floors tall buildings of our port cities.

Since it's clearly a data-gathering exercise described in the first case, I want to see evidence that the people of which he speaks have actually collected any data.  Otherwise he's spouting nonsense as usual, as described above.  

The fact that you treated his statement so seriously is precisely the reason it was necessary for him to be called out on it.  There's very little substance to most of what this troll posts; he's made it like his job to discredit this forum because he's incapable of thinking any way but literally and he's gotten it into his head that we're a dangerously subversive influence.

oh, i see what you mean. i guess the better way to put it wuold be, there are probably people doing this experiment everyday, without control conditions, without recording any data, or publishing any results.

but in the end i see no point in arguing this, since everyone agrees that the further things are the smaller and further over the horizon they are/appear.

the ideal experiment would be to vary both your hight and distance from the object since fe hypothesizes that the light travels on a curved path instead of a straight line. start at the highest point and the furthest distance you can go and still see the object, move forward in incriments and measure how much lower you have to go to see the same amount of the object (and i say measure how much lower since the hight of the ground certainly varies in both models, and i suppose the best way to do this would be to use 2 vantage points at a time and a level to measure the drop from one to the next), then plot these points and see what shape the line takes.

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Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #80 on: March 20, 2009, 03:54:14 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No.

Then where is it?

It's an ad hoc experiment with anecdotal data and subjective results.

And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No but I'm guess your what? 90? Cause you just so darn mature </sarcasm>

Re: I heard the earth is spherical? :/
« Reply #81 on: March 20, 2009, 04:03:55 PM »
And what data have those thousands of people collected?
Are you implying that they published their data?

No, are you implying that there is no data?
No.

Then where is it?

It's an ad hoc experiment with anecdotal data and subjective results.

kind of like how most of fet is an ad hoc hypothesis.