Delete Me will you?!?

What the heck folks? That was a perfectly valid post. I didn't curse anyone out. I didn't do anything except explain what the idea of devils advocate means. And point out that anyone who believes or even tries to support this theory is an... Idiot.

And you know what. Why don't we debate some of the ideas in the Bible while we're at it since its such an old book it must be right about everything. You know what I equate the bible too? Fiction. I'm not saying the guys in the book didn't exist. All the evidence points to someone being the basis for these characters. Thats cool. But you expect me to believe the water to wine and the walking on water and the ressurection. Well I have some hard news to break to you. The bible wasn't written at the time of Jesus Christ. And the bible was written by Man. Therefore It cannot be the word of God. Man is falliable and driven by his own desires even when he is faithful to the Lord. Look at the the child molester priests. The scholars who wrote the bible put their own ideas in it. Don't even get me started on the books of the bible that were written at the same time as the rest and EXCLUDED because the early church thought them heretical. If they were all the word of God well... God is really hypocritcal. And must forget alot of what he says.

And while we're debating. Lets of course hit the FE theory. You do realize that the original Theory of FE was created before mathematics and physics took hold? Before most people even had a clue what those ideas entailed? Yeah. So Ignorance is bliss. And those people and the people who support this theory now are blissfully ignorant. *logical karate chop of doom*

A double-post? Yarr, methinks ye be wantin' to walk the plank with such crude behaviour.

And point out that anyone who believes or even tries to support this theory is an... Idiot

I imagine that's why our thread was deleted.[/quote]

i take it people are alittle toucy on this site, the man is clearly speaking the truth. has anyone actualy read the bible? i am seeing this as a calm debate so dont shoot me down for starting trouble. in another poast it gose on about how the world is flat and the "goverment" wont let people see it. i mean is that a joke? do you people actualy beleve that? i mean how would michael palin have made his documentory following the jurny of willy fog? shorely people would know by now! you guys should chek out the national geographic web site, intresting stuff!

i also notice that that topic is locked, dont want anyone breaking the "worlds flat" bubble eh? as your doctor i prescribe a heavy dosage of bill hicks.

And you know what. Why don't we debate some of the ideas in the Bible while we're at it since its such an old book it must be right about everything. You know what I equate the bible too? Fiction. I'm not saying the guys in the book didn't exist. All the evidence points to someone being the basis for these characters. Thats cool. But you expect me to believe the water to wine and the walking on water and the ressurection. Well I have some hard news to break to you. The bible wasn't written at the time of Jesus Christ. And the bible was written by Man. Therefore It cannot be the word of God. Man is falliable and driven by his own desires even when he is faithful to the Lord. Look at the the child molester priests. The scholars who wrote the bible put their own ideas in it. Don't even get me started on the books of the bible that were written at the same time as the rest and EXCLUDED because the early church thought them heretical. If they were all the word of God well... God is really hypocritcal. And must forget alot of what he says.

Oh!  A "Christian Scholar"!  Got any proof to back your claims up, or are you going to act like the FES and claim that it's all just a conspiracy?  Chances are you pulled this information off of a website that says "TRUTH", but doesn't back anything up with facts.  This is part of the reason why I blow off people who claim to know the Bible, but don't.  Anyway, I don't know what this has to do with the Flat Earth Society, but I just had to say my piece.  There are a lot of people on this board who only know half-truths and pull the rest of their information out of their butts.  It's quite sad.

Oh!  A "Christian Scholar"!  Got any proof to back your claims up, or are you going to act like the FES and claim that it's all just a conspiracy?  Chances are you pulled this information off of a website that says "TRUTH", but doesn't back anything up with facts.  This is part of the reason why I blow off people who claim to know the Bible, but don't.  Anyway, I don't know what this has to do with the Flat Earth Society, but I just had to say my piece.  There are a lot of people on this board who only know half-truths and pull the rest of their information out of their butts.  It's quite sad.

Pardon me. Did you completely miss the point of my expouding about the bible? I was, to put it bluntly, being SARCASTIC. I have no idea what you think you were reading but lets look at it from my angle.

I am an Athiest. I don't look at the Bible as a book of truth. I look at it as a book of fiction with some historical facts thrown in but mostly made up information and situations to support a blossoming religion (at that time period).

I try very hard not to deal in half truths. But when arguing about the Bible my viewpoint will always be wrong in the eyes of the faithful who worship said book. It is the "Word of God" to them. They don't take into account all the little hypocrisies in the bible. They don't think about the men who wrote the bible. They believe that the books in the Bible were written by the apostles of Jesus. I haven't seen much if any proof to support that theory. They don't realize that the King James version of the bible is actually not very old. That the Bible wasn't written in English or whatever language originally. That in fact if you go back to some of the oldest Biblical texts, there are many discrepancies in translations. There are stories which are added. And stories which are left out. The Holy Church does not acknowledge the existence of other books of the Bible that were written around the same time as the standard Biblical chapters but weren't included because the Church said they were heretical. If in fact all the books of the Bible were given to man by God then who is the Church to say which books are correct? And if books portray events differently, I.E. The Book of Judas, which is confirmed to be an authentic biblical text, why then did the early Church order them confiscated and destroyed.

Look. These aren't debatable questions because you have to completely deny the truth of the assertions above in order to debate their feasiblity. And if you believe those assertions above are wrong, then you haven't studied much outside of the Bible. And let me repeat myself once more.

To only base your knowledge on the knowledge contained in the Bible is ignorance. And Ignorance is bliss. Therefore you are blissfully ignorant and not worth debating.

Its a vicious logical cycle.  

Flat Earth Theory- There is no theory. Nor a hypothesis. Its a Rant. An opinion. And absolutely false. To say otherwise even for the sake of stirring up trouble is...----   Let me think of what any teacher I ever had would say; from philosophy, to english, to math, to geology.---- "stupid."

Forum Admins--- If you delete or lock this post what am I suppose to think? If this is a forum for debate then I am providing unbelievable fodder. Granted I may not debate viewpoints of people who do not support their assumptions with facts. But the reality is your forum is based on what I said above. A bogus theory. Hogwash. Why not debate something, or talk about something with some actual substance. If you say we don't have to, or we are playing the Devils Advocate, then I feel you are completely copping out. As should most everyone else who participates here.

Well, you've made two mistakes:

1)  The canonical FE theory of these fora is not based on the Bible, but on that of the Flat Earth Society founded in the 19th century and dissolved recently (2001, was it?) at the death of its last president.

2)  It is you, not we, who are ranting.  And Angry.  Keep it up and your threads will end up in the appropriately-named receptacle for such commentary.

-Erasmus

The canonical FE theory of these fora is not based on the Bible, but on that of the Flat Earth Society founded in the 19th century and dissolved recently (2001, was it?) at the death of its last president.

I understand its not based on the Bible. It was based in brain of well... Someone not completely in touch with reality.

It is you, not we, who are ranting. And Angry. Keep it up and your threads will end up in the appropriately-named receptacle for such commentary.

Oh, I wholly admit to ranting. I have no problem with ranting. But I do my ranting well. And it makes Sense. In fact my opinions make sense. And I'm not ranting wholly inappropriately. And while I may exude a sense of anger it isn't confrontational anger. It is dispersed anger. Anger towards people who would believe or attempt to support this attrocious theory. Anger towards people like the Person I quoted in my last post who just didn't seem to get what it was I was talking about. Anger towards people who can't find answers for themselves and towards forum admins dissapearing posts.  And anger towards people who take religion on faith. *sigh* It isn't really an angry post. Its just disgruntled. lol.

I am an Athiest. I don't look at the Bible as a book of truth. I look at it as a book of fiction with some historical facts thrown in but mostly made up information and situations to support a blossoming religion (at that time period).

I can respect that you are an Atheist.  I can respect your opinion too.

I try very hard not to deal in half truths. But when arguing about the Bible my viewpoint will always be wrong in the eyes of the faithful who worship said book.

BTW, I don't worship the Bible.  I worship Christ.  The Bible contains some of the words of Christ, which I hold as truth.

They don't take into account all the little hypocrisies in the bible. They don't think about the men who wrote the bible. They believe that the books in the Bible were written by the apostles of Jesus. I haven't seen much if any proof to support that theory. They don't realize that the King James version of the bible is actually not very old. That the Bible wasn't written in English or whatever language originally.

What "hypocrisies" are you referring to?  Also, do you have proof supporting the contrary?  I realize that the Bible was not originally written in English.  That isn't up for debate.  As for how old the King James version is, how old are you claiming it really is?  Also, do you have any proof of this?

That in fact if you go back to some of the oldest Biblical texts, there are many discrepancies in translations. There are stories which are added. And stories which are left out. The Holy Church does not acknowledge the existence of other books of the Bible that were written around the same time as the standard Biblical chapters but weren't included because the Church said they were heretical.

Do you know Hebrew?  Have you translated the text yourself?  Do you realize that what you have just said is heresay?  Where are your sources?

If in fact all the books of the Bible were given to man by God then who is the Church to say which books are correct?

Not all of the books were given to man by God.  Most of them were written by people who lived during the days when Jesus walked the earth.  They witnessed the miracles and His teachings, such as the Epistles (since you already appear to be an expert at the subject, you should already know which books of the Bible are the Epistles).  Also, what do you mean by "correct"?  If you are referring to documentation of the laws of the time, everything in the Bible is historically correct.  If they are not, please disprove which accounts are wrong and never happened.

And if books portray events differently, I.E. The Book of Judas, which is confirmed to be an authentic biblical text, why then did the early Church order them confiscated and destroyed.

Ah, now I recognize your style of argument.  You are leaning towards "conspiracy".  Must be a flat earther.  Do you happen to have any proof of this?  Also, who has "confirmed" this Book of Judas as authentic Biblical text?  If you have read the Bible, you would know that Judas was the disciple who betrayed Jesus prior to the crucifiction.  He later hanged himself from a tree when he realized what he had done.  He was a very disturbed individual.  Some modern-day Christians equate what he did with the works of Satan.  If he had, in fact, written a book, I could see why it would be left out of the Bible (assuming that you actually have proof of its existance).

Look. These aren't debatable questions because you have to completely deny the truth of the assertions above in order to debate their feasiblity. And if you believe those assertions above are wrong, then you haven't studied much outside of the Bible. And let me repeat myself once more.

To only base your knowledge on the knowledge contained in the Bible is ignorance. And Ignorance is bliss. Therefore you are blissfully ignorant and not worth debating.

Its a vicious logical cycle.

Deny the truth?  I deny any of your so called "truth" when you don't have any proof to back up your claims.  Documentation is key.  Cite your sources.  Show me that you have done the research.  Then we'll talk.