International Space Station

        I've been reading over these forums for about a week now, I'll start by saying that I firmly believe that the Earth is round, but I'm always up for an honest debate.  I won't pretend to be a scientist; my math skills barely got me through calculus 2, so I can't begin to argue about advanced physics or complicated math theories.  I can, however, share first hand experiences.

    I currently attend Washington University in St. Louis, the University has two observatories, the Crow and Tyson telescopes.  Using NASA's skywatch software to track the stations next pass, my class was able to spot the station on more than one occasion.  I could clearly make out the object that I was seeing, It looked exactly like NASA said it does.  We were able to watch it for a few minutes.  Without magnification it was nothing more than a faint dot darting across the sky.

    It seems to me that by using NASA's software, a group of people spread out across the globe could continue to watch it for an extended period of time.  I would imagine that it would be visible at all times, barring Earth's weather affecting your vision.  I'm curious as to what this object could be if it wasn't something orbiting the Earth.  Anyone with a decent telescope and a nice viewing spot can see it.  I'm not trying to start an argument, It's been a lot of fun reading this forum and learning about both sides of the argument, but I'm curious how visible things orbiting the Earth (the space station, satellites) are explained.

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Skywatch 2.0 = http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/index.html
Washington University Observatories = http://physics.wustl.edu/Overview/Docs/Observatory.php

Here's the one I took of the space station.

Ya, it orbits 240 miles above the Earth, for years now.  How is that possible in the flat earth model?  If this was already explained, I apologize, but I tried searching.  If it has been explained, I would really appreciate a link.  Thanks.

Ya, it orbits 240 miles above the Earth, for years now.  How is that possible in the flat earth model?

How do you know its 240 miles up? how do you know its orbiting? I have actually seen the alleged ISS transits many times. While they are spectacular, it doesnt do very much to prove the shape of the earth.

If it isn't orbiting, then it's been in some kind of sustained flight for years now, you can see it many times, all day from some point on the Earth.

It's probably a stratellite.

Here's the one I took of the space station.

=)


Classic stuff.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites can't orbit the Earth.  The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites.

I read that in the FAQ, and then searched pseudolites, and they were described as ground based units doing GPS functions.  I didn't realize that anything like a strattelite was in production, thanks for the clarification, I now understand how you think it's possible.

Great! Pictorial proof that shatters FET and you still stubbornly make up ad hoc, undocumented and impossible machines. 

Here's the one I took of the space station.

Does that mean you've converted?

Ya, it orbits 240 miles above the Earth, for years now.  How is that possible in the flat earth model? 

In the FE model, while sustained space-flight is not possible, space-flight is possible.

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites can't orbit the Earth.  The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites.

I read that in the FAQ, and then searched pseudolites, and they were described as ground based units doing GPS functions.  I didn't realize that anything like a strattelite was in production, thanks for the clarification, I now understand how you think it's possible.

Tad seems to me to be a keeper. 

Quote from: tad284 on August 07, 2008, 05:10:11 PM

Ya, it orbits 240 miles above the Earth, for years now.  How is that possible in the flat earth model?

How do you know its 240 miles up? how do you know its orbiting? I have actually seen the alleged ISS transits many times. While they are spectacular, it doesnt do very much to prove the shape of the earth.

If you believe in physics it does. 

We do and it doesn't.

We do and it doesn't.

I'm not going to even argue with you. 

You should give it up altogether, you aren't very good at it.

You should give it up altogether, you aren't very good at it.

I'm not good at it? What physics would allow the ISS to orbit above a flat earth? 


On topic, I asked this before.  The ISS can be seen and balloons / stratellites cannot explain it. 

Why is that then?

Why is that then?

What is the supposed speed of the ISS? 

I don't know, because I don't particularly care about that. If you do... *disguises a laugh, fails*

Q: "What about satellites? How do they orbit the Earth?"

A: Since sustained spaceflight is not possible, satellites can't orbit the Earth.  The signals we supposedly receive from them are either broadcast from towers or any number of possible pseudolites.

I read that in the FAQ, and then searched pseudolites, and they were described as ground based units doing GPS functions.  I didn't realize that anything like a strattelite was in production, thanks for the clarification, I now understand how you think it's possible.

This is all old material, and you will get the same old answers:

• You cannot ask these people to do a coordinated experiment because they know they will get demolished. If all the five true FE'rs did get out and verify that the information provided by NASA is correct about ISS's orbital trajectory, they would have to admit that it either moves at tens of times the speed of sound or that there are hundreds of stations.
• They accept the photo taken by one of them as real, but they do want to understand that nothing with that shape can move through the air at supersonic speeds.
• They will talk endlessly about stratellites, which can be specialized balloons (like dirigibles) or solar powered planes, but they do not admit that these cannot fly at even moderate speeds.

The other answer you will get is "so what? I looked at the horizon and I it seemed flat to me." Of course, if you have any aspirations as a scientist, you have to accept indirect evidence, as the one about the ISS, as valid evidence of the existence of orbital vehicles, and eventually, as evidence that every piece of "FE theory" is a castle of cards in a windy day.