The conspiracy

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 12:47:56 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:42:40 PM

So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?

Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.

So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.

I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.

One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.

But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk 

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 01:01:33 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 12:47:56 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:42:40 PM

So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?

Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.

So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.

I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.

One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.

But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk 

Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.

Quote from: midnight on April 11, 2007, 01:06:50 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 01:01:33 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 12:47:56 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:42:40 PM

So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?

Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.

So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.

I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.

One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.

But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk 

Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.

Actually a fine point. Unfortunately, you missed mine. Intel and corporations like it, do not "offshore" where the country in question is not technologically viable to sustain their operations. It is well researched before deployment. Many in my nation have this angry idea about outsourcing, but fail to realize that many of the smartest minds in the fields we all take for granted spring from such places. The problem is that the American Media have perpetuated the "American Dynastic" myth for so many generations, it is incomprehensible, even unthinkable, to many Americans that somewhere else has our technological might. China is a prime example. We decry them as commies, and all that, but their tech is terrifying. Iran is older than China. Technologically speaking, Iran is behind China, but China doesn't NEED American Tech. It has it's own nucleus.

It is a sad fact that what you said at the conclusion of your post, is a reality that is becoming evermore apparent by the day.

I disagree. I think it was done for business reasons, not technological reasons. But, I am not familiar with what they do in that plant.

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 01:23:23 PM

Quote from: midnight on April 11, 2007, 01:06:50 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 01:01:33 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:51:32 PM

Quote from: Jesus Reborn on April 11, 2007, 12:47:56 PM

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 12:42:40 PM

So, my point is in direct opposition to what you were saying, you validate its correctness, and I'm the one being simple-minded?

Fine, if you can attack the U.S from the middle east using an AK47 and/or a simple rocket launcher, than I'll say I was wrong. Until then, I am sticking to what I said.
Basic hand-held weapons aren't "technology". It's not as if the middle east had never seen a gun before, so they aren't introducing new technology. Huge difference. Once again, you can't comprehend that.

So you're saying the United States has not suffered from giving weapons to other nations, and in addition those weapons contain no technologies? Wow, forget the shape of the earth, we may need to take a time-out and explain some basics here.

I never said anything about attacking U.S soldiers. I said the U.S, the actual country of the U.S. And as for technologies, I said "new". Understand the word? The middle east wasn't just a bunch of savages like your media tells you they are.
Open your eyes to the real world and stop warping words just so you can create a debate out of nothing. This is, essentially, what this whole forum is about. It's a place where people like yourself, who have nothing of a life (I admit, I have no life right now, exams, so I come here during my study breaks) and want to do nothing by try to prove to the world you are actually right, when the rest of the world laughs at you. You then, take this into thought as you being the savior (God said: You'll be ridiculed) of our planet and when you 'prove' everyone wrong, you'll be a hero to them, instead of the loser you were your whole life. I don't condone people picking on helpless people, but you are no longer helpless, therefore, you deserve any attack that is thrown your way.

One of the highest-end technology centers on planet earth is in Iran, and is run by Intel, and Cisco. I know this because I have worked in the building.

But the Middle East is 450 years behind all us Bob and Tom folk 

Offshore operations don't warp Iran to the present day. Otherwise, you could contend that the United States is technologically challenged by nearly every country in the world.

Actually a fine point. Unfortunately, you missed mine. Intel and corporations like it, do not "offshore" where the country in question is not technologically viable to sustain their operations. It is well researched before deployment. Many in my nation have this angry idea about outsourcing, but fail to realize that many of the smartest minds in the fields we all take for granted spring from such places. The problem is that the American Media have perpetuated the "American Dynastic" myth for so many generations, it is incomprehensible, even unthinkable, to many Americans that somewhere else has our technological might. China is a prime example. We decry them as commies, and all that, but their tech is terrifying. Iran is older than China. Technologically speaking, Iran is behind China, but China doesn't NEED American Tech. It has it's own nucleus.

It is a sad fact that what you said at the conclusion of your post, is a reality that is becoming evermore apparent by the day.

Exactly. China (and Japan is getting there, too) is actually steps ahead of any other country in technology.
Take automotives for example... America only thinks they are ahead, when in reality, they are fighting for their life to stay in business.

China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.

I disagree. I think it was done for business reasons, not technological reasons. But, I am not familiar with what they do in that plant.

That is a valid reason, indeed. But, again, it was based on the tech-side of that aforementioned business model. INTEL Does not only make CPU products. They are also one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, R&D firms for the IT industry, and they simply cannot sustain an overseas oepration with people "merely placing chips on the conveyor for $1 an hour". It is far more complicated than that.

For a local (American) example, I will offer up Texas Instruments, as a viable example of this behavior. They make MANY things besides chips. A person has to know a large sum more than just "how to enter the fab, de-con, and sit at the table with the trays of chips. Some departments require Class-C security clearance, for ordnance dev, etc.

No company that wants to sustain itself would build such enterprises in a land where the average person is a highschool-dropout equivalent.

In Japan, as was mentioned a minute ago in another post, Technology borders on religious ZEAL to those people. They prize tech achievement above all else. This is a trend that has only heightened with the advent of the net, and access to thought schools outside the mainstream.

China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.

Norway does. China, in fact does. Germany, hands down the largest clusterfuck of minds on the planet, from all branches of human study. Those guys may be chagrined from WWII, but they have their Science nailed tight.

(Without any evidence) I would think the factory in Iran is just to pay the employee less. I doubt it is an R&D facility, or a combination of the two. Please tell me if this is not the case.

Quote from: narcberry on April 11, 2007, 01:56:47 PM

China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.

Norway does. China, in fact does. Germany, hands down the largest clusterfuck of minds on the planet, from all branches of human study. Those guys may be chagrined from WWII, but they have their Science nailed tight.

I'm not saying the United States has the smartest people. I'm saying all known technology is at least in the United States and may be in other places. But as to your reference to WWII, if Hitler didn't hate Jews we could be speaking german today.

China is by no means ahead of the United States. Perhaps one day, thanks to their growing economy. There is not one technology anyone in the entire world possesses that is not available to the U.S. This is not the case for China.

Compare automotive companies. That, in itself, is advancing technology that Ford, GM, etc, etc can't keep up to China (and Japan) in.
The day America makes a vehicle as efficient fuel wise as any Asian company, then they'll be up there with them. But they haven't.

I'm not saying the United States has the smartest people.

Well, that is basically what you inferred. My assumption then is my error.

I'm saying all known technology is at least in the United States and may be in other places.

Incorrect. The National ID design is a basic example. It was 'licensed' from China. China invented it, uses it TODAY, and has plans to enhance it to affect everything from allowing you entry into a public bathroom, to entering your home. It's legally enforced in all the provinces as I sit here. We got the idea, the tech, and the implementation methods from China. The UK got it first from them, and we were the second runners.

Another example is 'nanotech'. We had no nanotech branches until Norway got the ball rolling.

But as to your reference to WWII, if Hitler didn't hate Jews we could be speaking german today.

Or speaking Hebrew, depending on your views.

But I mentioned Germany from the tech standpoint. My point was, WWII is a sore spot for them, on their self-image, but it has not dimmed their monumental Scientific obsession. As a nation, Germany is mighty with science endeavor, and their national GDP is based on the Scientific Industrial matrix. Ours is Defense. That's telling.