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Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #120 on: April 25, 2007, 09:03:57 AM »
I've not made any comments about the new debate and didn't even start it. How can anyone have made a counter-argument?

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2007, 09:11:05 AM »
I'm in your brains, eatin your conceptz.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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Dioptimus Drime

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2007, 09:13:19 AM »
Like I said if you wanted to start a new debate you should have just said so or started a new thread. The things you're saying have nothing to do with the OP. You've changed it into a argument over the definition of a religion. The lad's mother and even the bloody founders of the whole thing admit it's a joke; a parody. Is that not enough for you?

What makes me laugh is if that stupid brat hadn't brought up the first amendment in the article you wouldn't even be arguing about it. Funny how you follow and preach the constitution like it's some kind of....hmm..religion? Take the blinkers off and take a look at what really happened. Next time you harp on about "fundies" take a look in the mirror first. After you've done that carry on with your petty argument about what defines a religion. Maybe you could start a new thread then I might be willing to have a DEBATE.

It's not a new debate because you haven't WON anything. Debates aren't meant to be won or lost. ::)

And if you would've read my arguments AT ALL, you would see that I'm not debating about the first amendment at all whatsoever, I'm debating on the question as to why religion is touched with more delicacy than anything else and why religious garbs should be allowed at all in schools, especially if some are and others are not.

It's not a new debate, it's the same debate, only it has shifted to another topic relating to the same incident, so why would I start a new thread? You seem to not be wonderfully attuned to the means of debating at all, and apparently you're unwilling to approach it with a level of maturity that is wholly expected in a respectful debate.

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EvilToothpaste

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #123 on: April 25, 2007, 09:14:32 AM »
So you are enforcing a strict adherence to the topic so as to avoid counter-arguments?  Convenient!
I like this person.

I hope I'm not hearing sarcasm ... so I'll expound on my leading question:  the current debate is still within the topic. 

I've not made any comments about the new debate and didn't even start it. How can anyone have made a counter-argument?
A counter-argument to your "on-topic" argument, not the "new debate". 

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #124 on: April 25, 2007, 09:14:38 AM »
Shifted to a new topic = new debate.

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Dioptimus Drime

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #125 on: April 25, 2007, 09:17:05 AM »
Shifted to a new topic = new debate.

::)

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #126 on: April 25, 2007, 09:18:10 AM »
So you are enforcing a strict adherence to the topic so as to avoid counter-arguments?  Convenient!
I like this person.

I hope I'm not hearing sarcasm ... so I'll expound on my leading question:  the current debate is still within the topic.

It was sincere. Your points are bulletproof. The emotional responses just validate them.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #127 on: April 25, 2007, 09:20:46 AM »
Well I'm just glad we're all agreed that this is a new debate.

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #128 on: April 25, 2007, 09:23:00 AM »
Well I'm just glad we're all agreed that this is a new debate.

Your tactics are sorely lacking in cognitive, well thought out planning. You pulled this on me about 2 or 3 weeks back, and the result was the same. Eventually, you were drowned out by your copy/pasta and moved on.

Bets are on the table, kids.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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EvilToothpaste

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #129 on: April 25, 2007, 09:26:58 AM »
Well I'm just glad we're all agreed that this is a new debate.

You win, or something. 

Let's get back to the topic. 

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #130 on: April 25, 2007, 09:30:53 AM »
We're not all forum warriors with tactics you know. Planned? I don't plan these things out I just post and respond. Your "tactics" are very well planned though; very well thought out. That's why your posts are so incredibly boring and unoriginal. You're like every idiot I've ever come across all rolled into one person. That's why I ignore you until you can't resist ignoring me. The same pattern, the same result: I post, you ignore me again because you have nothing further to add than the initial pseudo-philisophical outburst.

You're entitled to your opinion though, however flawed it may be. Do me a favour and crawl back under your rock though because it's too much effort having three morons attacking me in one thread. Having said that the thread is over anyway now that we're all in agreement.

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Kasroa Is Gone

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #131 on: April 25, 2007, 09:31:26 AM »
Well I'm just glad we're all agreed that this is a new debate.

You win, or something. 

Let's get back to the topic. 

Gladly, though I've nothing further to add so I'll quietly leave.

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #132 on: April 25, 2007, 09:31:55 AM »
Oi fuckface the cab, you'll go crazy if you stay in this thread
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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2007, 09:35:12 AM »
We're well past that, my peachkin.  :-*
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2007, 09:55:26 AM »
Gladly, though I've nothing further to add so I'll quietly leave.

I love how in the last three pages this guy only argued that we had started a new debate.  A mind-eating paradox, if you ask me. 

He gets a gold star. 

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EvilToothpaste

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #135 on: April 25, 2007, 09:56:10 AM »
Kidding aside, the problem with your logic is that the constitution gives provisions regarding the protection of religious freedoms, and does not specify what constitutes a religion. Do you really trust the United States government to define what is a real religion, and what is not? Are you comfortable with them saying that Christianity is the only true religion, everything else is a cult, and cults don't need to be given any protection in the context of the first amendment? Are you really comfortable with that?

Of course you aren't. So unless you are prepared to allow the first amendment protection of religious freedom to be completely meaningless, you have to allow anything with a remote claim to being a religion to be just as valid as anything else. So yes, Scientology, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Unicornism, and Last Thursdayism all have to be as valid as Christianity when it comes to their being respected by government institutions, public schools are government institutions, and students are required by law to be there.

I think Skeptical had a great point here that was maybe glossed over.

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #136 on: April 25, 2007, 09:59:06 AM »
Hmmm.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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Dioptimus Drime

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #137 on: April 25, 2007, 10:12:20 AM »
We're not all forum warriors with tactics you know. Planned? I don't plan these things out I just post and respond. Your "tactics" are very well planned though; very well thought out. That's why your posts are so incredibly boring and unoriginal. You're like every idiot I've ever come across all rolled into one person. That's why I ignore you until you can't resist ignoring me. The same pattern, the same result: I post, you ignore me again because you have nothing further to add than the initial pseudo-philisophical outburst.

You're entitled to your opinion though, however flawed it may be. Do me a favour and crawl back under your rock though because it's too much effort having three morons attacking me in one thread. Having said that the thread is over anyway now that we're all in agreement.

Why is it that when debating with you, it always drags off-topic into a swirling pit of argumentative, infantile foolishness? I can often disagree with people and have an intelligible debate with them without it degenerating into useless squabble (see earlier in this thread: I was debating with midnight, but I still love that motherfucker), and yet you always seem to move the thread into a nosedive. Learn how to debate, for God's sakes. But I suppose that the "thread is over" because obviously "you won the debate" a long time ago, you are free to leave. ::) Don't expect respect from me for doing so, though.


Kidding aside, the problem with your logic is that the constitution gives provisions regarding the protection of religious freedoms, and does not specify what constitutes a religion. Do you really trust the United States government to define what is a real religion, and what is not? Are you comfortable with them saying that Christianity is the only true religion, everything else is a cult, and cults don't need to be given any protection in the context of the first amendment? Are you really comfortable with that?

Of course you aren't. So unless you are prepared to allow the first amendment protection of religious freedom to be completely meaningless, you have to allow anything with a remote claim to being a religion to be just as valid as anything else. So yes, Scientology, the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Unicornism, and Last Thursdayism all have to be as valid as Christianity when it comes to their being respected by government institutions, public schools are government institutions, and students are required by law to be there.

I think Skeptical had a great point here that was maybe glossed over.

Indeed, it's best we get back onto the topic. I was trying to convey this point, too, though I'd wager skeptical scientist summed it up far more concisely. :P

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #138 on: April 25, 2007, 10:14:31 AM »
We're not all forum warriors with tactics you know. Planned? I don't plan these things out I just post and respond. Your "tactics" are very well planned though; very well thought out. That's why your posts are so incredibly boring and unoriginal. You're like every idiot I've ever come across all rolled into one person. That's why I ignore you until you can't resist ignoring me. The same pattern, the same result: I post, you ignore me again because you have nothing further to add than the initial pseudo-philisophical outburst.

You're entitled to your opinion though, however flawed it may be. Do me a favour and crawl back under your rock though because it's too much effort having three morons attacking me in one thread. Having said that the thread is over anyway now that we're all in agreement.

Yes, this is an ingoring you post. LOL what a primate.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #139 on: April 25, 2007, 10:47:19 AM »
midnight = forum troll, just ignore him. When he has something to add to the conversation other then "OMFG U STARTED A NEW TOPIC!" or him trying to pick apart the way you debate (a tell-tale sign that someone has a weak or no argument in the first place), then respond to him.


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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #140 on: April 25, 2007, 10:49:07 AM »
You mean Captain Mustachio, not Midnight.  At least in this case... :-X

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Midnight

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Re: Student suspended for wearing pirate regalia
« Reply #141 on: April 25, 2007, 10:53:02 AM »
Midnight is everywhere. There is no escape. The flying Brilliance Monster bade it my mission.

Flay Bishop. Jihad.
My problem with his ideas is that it is a ridiculous thing.

Genius. PURE, undiluted genius.