FE ghoul Nathan O.

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FE ghoul Nathan O.
« on: August 22, 2025, 01:47:13 AM »
Who can spot the logical fallacy here?


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bulmabriefs144

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2025, 01:57:26 AM »
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Administrivia/JustAFaceAndACaption

Not interested enough to watch. So, not me.

Next time, explain context a bit more.
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2025, 06:49:04 AM »
Renowned FE debunker SciManDan calls out renowned FE’er Nathan Oakley for claiming that the NTSB “corrects” aircraft pitch indicators to match RE when investigating deadly aircraft crashes.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2025, 03:40:15 PM »
The logical fallacy is Nathan is arguing earth curvature would allow a crashing aircraft more wriggle room to land because earth is curving downward under the plane. But instead, earth is measured as flat.

He's wrong, and he's right.

Earth is not curving away under the aircraft, because the aircraft is flying level, perpendicular to Earth's gravitational pull which is evenly spread over the globe. He's right that Earth is measured as flat for the purpose of an aircraft.

But I can't get over Nathan trying yo look like Telly Savalas and Lex Luthor. He really does come across as a villain, especially with his horrendous British accent.
For the overall shape of Earth to be flat, requires billions of people and billions of pieces of information about Earth to be wrong. Do the maths.

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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2025, 04:24:12 PM »
I would put it differently.

If Earth was Tinyplanet(tm) then Nathan O. might have a point. But the relevant fallacy is failing to progress from the qualitative to the quantitative argument. What is the amount of "wiggle room" that is actually on offer here? A very small amount based on Earth's size, centimeters perhaps, which would have no influence on the outcome of an air emergency.

But yes, Nathan O.'s expression is interesting. There can be little doubt that he is barely keeping the lid on a lot of rage in the way he speaks.

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« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2025, 01:26:35 AM »
Renowned FE debunker SciManDan calls out renowned FE’er Nathan Oakley for claiming that the NTSB “corrects” aircraft pitch indicators to match RE when investigating deadly aircraft crashes.

You still haven't explained a fallacy.

If people are dying because of faulty measurements, it is your moral duty to employ Cromwell's Law and stop making excuses.

If it's more important for you to "be right" than
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I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ, think it possible that you may be mistaken
then those deaths are 100% on your hands.

Just as if a man sails into an "iceberg" in the southern hemisphere, when actually, what happened is that the GPS maps they were looking at  were based on a model instead of comparing to sonar or radar of nearby landforms. Oh goody, and now they're having AI (known for it's G.I.G.O. mistakes) look for icebergs. Not only is the programming of AI built with the automatic assumption (again, no Cromwell's Law) that Earth is a sphere, but these are the same systems that wreck cars.
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According to the most recent NHTSA data, in 2024, there were between 22 and 81 self-driving car crashes each month.
From July 2021 to June 13, 2025, the number of crashes involving ADS (Automated Driving Systems)-equipped vehicles has fluctuated but generally increased.
They go on to say the technology is not yet perfect. Right, when it is perfect, there will be a 100% fatality rate.
As for me, I think I would feel far more safe in a ship with no map at all, that the captain can see directly outside and hear "Land ho!" (She be an honest woman, I say!) than a ship surrounded by GPS forecasts from a RE model but where you can't visually see ahead of you (in the absence of secondary scans). I'd also lay anchor every night in the southern hemisphere, and every time there is mist.

I don't see any fallacy here. What i do see is loads and loads of unclaimed responsibility.

"I could be mistaken. It's time to make planes with the assumption that a model may or may not be correct, and add additional safeguards, instead of doubling down on a philosophy that should have died with the woke Greeks."
This is what you need to say.



When you rigidly defend a theory at the expense of human safety, the deaths are on your hands. He is correct.  Just as if FE were rigidly taught, and people (pffft) started falling off the edge of the Earth, we'd want to correct so that would stop happening.
The joke is because that was what Round Earthers used to say about why the Earth isn't flat.

« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 01:28:42 AM by bulmabriefs144 »
If ρ=m/V, then B=ρsurfobj


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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2025, 07:29:43 AM »
Renowned FE debunker SciManDan calls out renowned FE’er Nathan Oakley for claiming that the NTSB “corrects” aircraft pitch indicators to match RE when investigating deadly aircraft crashes.

You still haven't explained a fallacy.
That’s why you’re supposed to watch the video and decide for yourself if SciManDan’s criticism of Nathan is justified.

If people are dying because of faulty measurements, it is your moral duty to employ Cromwell's Law and stop making excuses.
That’s the job of NTSB investigations, to figure out what went wrong and how to keep it from happening again.  I could be wrong, but I have a feeling that they have yet to find a single incident that was related to the wrong shape of the earth.

Also, what does Cromwell’s rule have to do with anything?
« Last Edit: August 23, 2025, 07:32:07 AM by markjo »
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Torve

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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2025, 10:50:50 AM »


You still haven't explained a fallacy.


Have you watched the video?

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Torve

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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2025, 04:32:19 AM »
Also this old nugget:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RnoS48n5fLg

Nathan lied.

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« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2025, 02:20:55 AM »
I cant bring myself to watch this guys vids. I dont really see the point besides some personal torture test. well no i guess not because squeaky wheel gets a greasin on a well maintained farm. But i am not there yet.

 I suspect that the landscape may be one of untouchable higherups like brian cox, and completely slanderouses like this guy. But in all fairness the higherups, with there power are surely as slanderous as this guy - thinking that michio kaku "a problem with antivaxers" video thumbnail where he seems to be furiously holding up his fingers making the inch in the old "I give you an inch and you take a mile" , so good work, good simon. Maybe your not that bad. Maybe you are though. But maybe your not!

 But my general thinkingwould be that if someone is as rude as this guy.... he just doesnt getit. My take on it is that, as flat earthers, we are showing that there are problems with some of the most basic building blocks of modern science and this guy says he needs you to prove out a working theory of gravity in the language of quantumn physics or something.

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2025, 02:26:06 AM »
Sorry i didnt read the thread or watch the video but this guy making the video i find quite upsetting. I suspect he has cleaned up his act, feeling satisified with all the mud he slung in the last couple years.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2025, 02:29:43 AM by ASFT »

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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2025, 02:39:49 AM »
Sounds interesting, i will have to watch when i dont feel so downtrodden. Do they represent Nathans argument truthfully?

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Torve

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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2025, 07:17:46 AM »
Sounds interesting, i will have to watch when i dont feel so downtrodden. Do they represent Nathans argument truthfully?

Yes.

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2025, 10:49:59 AM »
Sounds interesting, i will have to watch when i dont feel so downtrodden. Do they represent Nathans argument truthfully?
I’m not sure if Nathan represents Nathan’s argument truthfully.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2025, 12:05:20 PM »
More practice use concerning the heliocentric solar system

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While FE hasn’t produced anything useful in centuries. 

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Torve

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Re: FE ghoul Nathan O.
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2025, 02:36:26 PM »
I have warned about this guy before.

I realized why after so long and so many scientists the flat earth society is still absolutely MASSIVE with people believing it. The reason is it is completely impossible to prove anything in our world. The issue is that all of our theories are based on initial ground truths that we assume to be true (like x - x = 0 or x = x). However FE best strategy is to attack the base truth because RE cannot defend that (since it was assumed to be true). I'm not saying FE has no proof, they probaly do but... just don't show it. The fundamental issue is that it is physically AND mentally impossible to win an argument aganist someone that believes everything else is a conspiracy and only "they know the truth". So the reason either FE or RE has won is because neither side is willing to listen to the other side's proof.

So that's my view on things. If you think i am wrong, then tell me in the replies.

You are on to something there.

FE exists because of Personality Disorders, especially Narcissistic PD. This disorder prevents the individual in question from seeing any evidence, or an aspect of evidence that is not in their interest to see. Most long-time FE'ers are Narcissists. It is not possible to convince them of anything on an evidentiary basis. They may abandon previously expressed beliefs, but not because they have been convinced of something substantial, but because the narcissism deems it no longer in the narcissist's interest to profess that belief.

Nathan Oakley is an entry level example.



In this video, N.O. exhibits behaviour that is clearly unhinged, including obvious signs of narcissism. This video isn't a one-off either. N.O. consistently behaves in this way. The thing is that N.O.'s antics are so over the top that narcissism is scarcely a sufficient explanation. The natural suspicion is that other disorders are in the mix, sociopathy is one such candidate. Narcissism has high co-morbidity with certain other disorders, including sociopathy. Knowing this, and seeing N.O. parade his family including a young child, is enough to send a chill down one's spine. Can anyone watch this video and try to imagine what family life with such a person is like? It is in fact no mystery, but well documented.

Besides FE, NPD is responsible for a range of pseudosciences, probably all of them. Graham Hancock is an obvious narcissist, for example.

Now there is a new Zoo experience featuring Nathan Oakley.



I wouldn't want to be in the shoes of those poor people who have apparently agreed to edit N.O.'s work.

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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2025, 04:41:56 PM »
Temu Lex Luther.
If "deserving" time was a factor for responding on these forums, then no one would be here posting.