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What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?

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faded mike

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What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« on: April 29, 2021, 12:40:07 AM »
I've concluded a simple explanation for the horizon on a flat earth is that it is just a mirage. If you see those pictures of the desssert road with patches of shimmreing mirror on them - what color is the mirror - it is reflecting the sky and is the same color as the sky.

 This is what i think happens at the horizon.

i have recently heard it said, and take it as truth, that the ground ramps up when looking straight to the vanishing point, and this is not because you are looking down somewhat - it is actually an effect not described in science - the ramping up of the ground to the vanishing point.

 I am pretty sure youtuber "Mr thrive and survive" talks about this ramping up of the foreground, but to what extent i am not sure.

This video shows the horizon out to sea with floating waves above the horizon potentially demonstrating this idea that the horizon is a mirror.

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faded mike

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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2021, 04:46:58 AM »
I've not read much flat earth litterature of the greats past and present... just bouncing an idea that i think has some potential.
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2021, 11:09:35 PM »
The horizon is very evidently a mirage under certain circumstances.  For some reason, globularists are immensely satisfied with refraction being an explanation for the impossible under some circumstances when they need it, but howl in derision when it occurs elsewhere.
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faded mike

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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2021, 07:16:58 PM »
Thx for your input Ski.
Seems like long distance views are closer to flat but then they say "thats refraction"...
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2021, 06:54:19 PM »
So why does this ship appear to sink into the horizon as it travels away (as a round earther would expect to see). Shouldn't it just be getting smaller and smaller?
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2021, 08:55:54 PM »
As we fly into the mirage it opens up.

I've never flown on these routes but I see a flight from Los Angels to Tokyo.  Another flight from Tokyo to London.  Then a flight from London to New York. Then N.Y. to L.A.  The mirage is a mirage.
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faded mike

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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 11:26:22 PM »
Quote from: Earthmightbeflat on October 30, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
So why does this ship appear to sink into the horizon as it travels away (as a round earther would expect to see). Shouldn't it just be getting smaller and smaller?
I think one possibility , and I am no pro - it has just become somewhat apparent that we can see farther than we should be able to with the earths curve theoretical fomrual  8 inches of curvature per (mile^squared)... I think one possibilty is that the horizon "ramps up" as "mr thrive and survive" youtuber and some others put it, - im not sure - but I think sometimes it might ramp up to a point higher than it actually is and at that point is the visual horizon, and then anything beyond that point is at its proper height and seemingly below the ramped up part. And then you might have all types of phenomenon happeining at the horizon in different conditions ...as well as at some pont I believe their is a mirage that reflects the sky and obscure further ground... just my two cents
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2021, 03:57:16 PM »
Quote from: Earthmightbeflat on October 30, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
So why does this ship appear to sink into the horizon as it travels away (as a round earther would expect to see). Shouldn't it just be getting smaller and smaller?
Well they do get smaller and smaller imagine a ship on the shoreline and you are standing next to it you telling me it doesn't look smaller as it gets further and further away? You also need to take in account the atmosphere how the ship will never just turn to a tiny dot because the atmosphere will take the ship with it before you can see it turn to a tiny dot .
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2021, 04:06:25 PM »
Quote from: Notasphere on November 10, 2021, 03:57:16 PM
Quote from: Earthmightbeflat on October 30, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
So why does this ship appear to sink into the horizon as it travels away (as a round earther would expect to see). Shouldn't it just be getting smaller and smaller?
Well they do get smaller and smaller imagine a ship on the shoreline and you are standing next to it you telling me it doesn't look smaller as it gets further and further away? You also need to take in account the atmosphere how the ship will never just turn to a tiny dot because the atmosphere will take the ship with it before you can see it turn to a tiny dot .

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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2021, 02:21:37 AM »
Quote from: faded mike on November 09, 2021, 11:26:22 PM
it has just become somewhat apparent that we can see farther than we should be able to with the earths curve
No, it hasn't become apparent. Instead people just repeat the same baseless claims that we can.

Quote from: Notasphere on November 10, 2021, 03:57:16 PM
Well they do get smaller and smaller
Smaller and smaller doesn't magically mean the bottom is hidden.

The question isn't how it gets smaller. That is simple perspective.
The question is how does the bottom disappear?
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2021, 04:31:01 AM »
Quote from: Ski on May 27, 2021, 11:09:35 PM
The horizon is very evidently a mirage under certain circumstances.  For some reason, globularists are immensely satisfied with refraction being an explanation for the impossible under some circumstances when they need it, but howl in derision when it occurs elsewhere.

We know when, how and why it happens. We dont claim use it to deny suppoised problems with globe
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2021, 06:08:32 AM »
Quote from: Code-Beta1234 on November 11, 2021, 04:31:01 AM
Quote from: Ski on May 27, 2021, 11:09:35 PM
The horizon is very evidently a mirage under certain circumstances.  For some reason, globularists are immensely satisfied with refraction being an explanation for the impossible under some circumstances when they need it, but howl in derision when it occurs elsewhere.

We know when, how and why it happens. We dont claim use it to deny suppoised problems with globe
Yep, we can describe the mechanisms of refraction, predict it based off of conditions, and reproduce it experimentally.  But it doesn't fit with delusions of being some rebel hero fighting against the "man".  It is factual and doesn't care about their feelings.  They can't be "special" if they don't believe they know something the vast majority of other people don't.  Basically it's a coping mechanism for low self esteem.  They mistakenly believe they are worthless therefore they have to pretend they are better in some way than everyone else. 
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2021, 12:37:06 PM »
Quote from: Ski on May 27, 2021, 11:09:35 PM
The horizon is very evidently a mirage under certain circumstances.  For some reason, globularists are immensely satisfied with refraction being an explanation for the impossible under some circumstances when they need it, but howl in derision when it occurs elsewhere.

Ah the hypocrisy of those foolish globetards!

Imagine being perfectly happy with  refraction following the well established experimentally verified physics of how refraction works, but dismissing magical nonsense like it making one celestial pole look exactly like two, or the sun appearing to set when it’s really violating other laws of physics in a completely different direction!

Crazy.
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2021, 04:09:35 PM »
The evidence the horizon is not a mirage, can be gleaned from physical experiments by anyone willing to put in the time and effort to do them.

We never ever see farther than we should - ever. If we are seeing a distant object there is a perfectly reasonable and verifiable explanation as to how we are seeing that object. Anybody who owns a glass fishtank can verify that water particles can bend light, like what refraction is over the sea does, and enables us to do when viewing distant landmarks over water.
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2021, 06:07:10 AM »
https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

ENaG describes a ship disappearing on a flat plane here.
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2021, 07:26:18 AM »
So how near are these mirage stars on the horizon?

Kinda puts your theory to a very very very very very very very narrow set of circumstances and completely inflexible and flimsy against the most basic of scrutiny.
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Re: What is the evidence the horizon isnt a mirage?
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2021, 01:22:31 PM »
Quote from: hoppy on November 13, 2021, 06:07:10 AM
https://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za32.htm

ENaG describes a ship disappearing on a flat plane here.
You mean it spouts a bunch of lies to pretend to describe a ship disappearing, followed up by circular reasoning of "Earth is flat, we see this on Earth, thus flat things must do this, so it isn't a problem for a FE"

The problem is that perspective doesn't magically hide the bottom, nor does it make the objects appear to sink relative to the ground.

It simply makes things smaller.
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