RE web sites like FES

If I started an RE web site to prove the earth is round, would FEs go there to argue? Does not seem like there would ever be a RES.

There are RE web sites about astronomy, do FEs go there to share the truth with astronomers? Seems like they are most in need of de-programming, they have dedicated their lives to studying the NASA hoax. Maybe if you went to an astronomy web site and told them, they would say "I wondered why my calculations and observations never work out and why my equatorial mount does not work!"

You could open the flood gates of experts exposing the hoax of RE! Or is the NASA brainwashing too powerful, the astronomers too gullible?

If I started an RE web site to prove the earth is round, would FEs go there to argue? Does not seem like there would ever be a RES.

There are RE web sites about astronomy, do FEs go there to share the truth with astronomers? Seems like they are most in need of de-programming, they have dedicated their lives to studying the NASA hoax. Maybe if you went to an astronomy web site and told them, they would say "I wondered why my calculations and observations never work out and why my equatorial mount does not work!"

You could open the flood gates of experts exposing the hoax of RE! Or is the NASA brainwashing too powerful, the astronomers too gullible?

Could you please enlighten me what astronomers claim is absolute scientificcally proven truth apart from earth's shape ?
Is he big bang scientifically proven ?
Is dark matter and dark energy scientifically proven ?
Is string theory scientifically proven ?
Is the multiverse scientifically proven ?
Are there astronomers that only stick to facts without marvelling about hypothetical ''inserts'' for things they do not observe ?

So could you give me a precise list of scientifically proven astronomical conclusions about the universe that all astronomers agree with, without exception ?

Quote from: jimster on January 21, 2019, 01:15:08 PM

If I started an RE web site to prove the earth is round, would FEs go there to argue? Does not seem like there would ever be a RES.

There are RE web sites about astronomy, do FEs go there to share the truth with astronomers? Seems like they are most in need of de-programming, they have dedicated their lives to studying the NASA hoax. Maybe if you went to an astronomy web site and told them, they would say "I wondered why my calculations and observations never work out and why my equatorial mount does not work!"

You could open the flood gates of experts exposing the hoax of RE! Or is the NASA brainwashing too powerful, the astronomers too gullible?

Could you please enlighten me what astronomers claim is absolute scientificcally proven truth apart from earth's shape ?
Is he big bang scientifically proven ?
Is dark matter and dark energy scientifically proven ?
Is string theory scientifically proven ?
Is the multiverse scientifically proven ?
Are there astronomers that only stick to facts without marvelling about hypothetical ''inserts'' for things they do not observe ?

So could you give me a precise list of scientifically proven astronomical conclusions about the universe that all astronomers agree with, without exception ?

For one, pesky Polaris. It disappears from view, slides down below the horizon the farther an astronomer travels below the equator. The only explanation that seemingly makes sense to an astronomer is that something is getting in the way of their view. Most likely, that thing is earth, a round one at that.

For one, pesky Polaris. It disappears from view, slides down below the horizon the farther an astronomer travels below the equator. The only explanation that seemingly makes sense to an astronomer is that something is getting in the way of their view. Most likely, that thing is earth, a round one at that.

You read my post didn't you ?
Of course you are aware of the massive ''unknowns'' in the current cosmological model.
The only explanation that seemingly makes sense to an astronomer is that something is getting in the way of their view. Most likely, that thing is earth, a round one at that.


So you aren't sure 100% (bolded parts) ?
The ancient Greeks (few) made all sorts of conclusions about the globe not taking into account what we know about refraction now.
Could it be that we still have to discover things that will shed an entire different light upon our current observations ?
Or is what we conclude now ''cemented in stone'',.....if so why don't you say so ?

So could you give me a precise list of scientifically proven astronomical conclusions about the universe that all astronomers agree with, without exception ?

Do you mean something other than the earth being round?

There was a Round Earth Society forum, the owner was a ding dong.

Dutchy,

The things you list are indeed at the arguable edge of science. I have often thought that FEs could put their time and energy into arguing these things instead of FE and they could have the same fun, not be ridiculous, and maybe even make a contribution.

The shape of the earth is in the category "settled science". F=MA or acid + base = water, salt, and heat, 32 ft/sec/sec, stuff like that. These things have been known for a long time, students run experiments (sight polaris with an inclinometer equal to latitude), engineers design gadgets (sextant and equatorial mount), and scientists base further research (space program). It gets reconfirmed a hundred times a day

Astronomers all agree on a huge number of things. The "settled science" of astronomy, things like the earth is an oblate spheroid rotating on its axis and orbiting the sun. They disagree on big bang, multiverse, etc, and have conversations much like on this site. But not about the shape of the earth, 100% agreement.

Are you going to build a new RE society or not?

I'd sign up! I hope they have membership cards and branded caviar jar openers.

I'd sign up! I hope they have membership cards and branded caviar jar openers.

It needs a section on the best mustache styles for twirling, as we plot the next stage in the great deception.

With the likes of rabinoz and JackBlack and all the other angry people, I thought this was a round earth site lol 

Quote from: jimster on January 21, 2019, 01:15:08 PM

If I started an RE web site to prove the earth is round, would FEs go there to argue? Does not seem like there would ever be a RES.

There are RE web sites about astronomy, do FEs go there to share the truth with astronomers? Seems like they are most in need of de-programming, they have dedicated their lives to studying the NASA hoax. Maybe if you went to an astronomy web site and told them, they would say "I wondered why my calculations and observations never work out and why my equatorial mount does not work!"

You could open the flood gates of experts exposing the hoax of RE! Or is the NASA brainwashing too powerful, the astronomers too gullible?

Could you please enlighten me what astronomers claim is absolute scientificcally proven truth apart from earth's shape ?

This is "The Flat Earth Society" and not "The Cosmology Society".
Hence I'll settle for these astronomers providing virtually irrefutable evidence that the earth is a rotating Globe orbiting the sun.
And they have provided all this in spades for hundreds of years.

Even the simplest ovservations of astronomers dating back before Ptolemy's time are enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the earth is a Globe.

Is he big bang scientifically proven ?

No but science does not claim to prove things because new knowledge is certain to show that older theories are wrong or incomplete.

Is dark matter and dark energy scientifically proven ?

No and nobody suggested that they were.

Is string theory scientifically proven ?

No and nobody suggested that it was.

Is the multiverse scientifically proven ?

No and nobody suggested that it was.

Are there astronomers that only stick to facts without marvelling about hypothetical ''inserts'' for things they do not observe ?

No and astronomers do not claim the silly things that you suggest.

The do make observations raising questions that they attempt to answer and these do mean coming up with hypotheses.
But a hypothesis remains a hypothesis until a great deal of supporting evidence has been accumulated.
The terms "dark matter" and "dark energy" are no more that place-holders to explain observations that do not fit current theories.
"Dark matter" is really unexplained gravitation so it might not even be "matter" etc.

So could you give me a precise list of scientifically proven astronomical conclusions about the universe that all astronomers agree with, without exception ?

No because I'm not an astronomer and have no such "precise list of scientifically proven astronomical conclusions". Go and ask an astronomer!

But, as far as I know, all astronomers agree that the earth is a Globe and that the moon, sun, planets and stars are a great distance away.
And to my knowledge all current astronomers agree with the Heliocentric Solar System and the nearest stars being some 4 light years away.

And the truth or otherwise of the Heliocentric Solar System does not depend on any of those other questions that you raise.

What else really matters to one interested in the shape of the earth and whether it is stationary or not?

Are you going to build a new RE society or not?

If these guys don't count as the RE society, then I don't know who does: https://www.aagsmo.org/

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Dark matter and dark energy are mainstays of many flat earth models.

Dark matter and dark energy are mainstays of many flat earth models.

il semble appropriι.