"under the radar"

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jimster

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"under the radar"
« on: July 29, 2018, 03:33:14 PM »
The phrase "under the radar" has been used in historical accounts, military writing, etc. The idea is the same as not seeing things over the horizon. How does this work on FE? Seems like the radar would see everything out to the limits of its range on FE. Simple explanation on RE, no explanation on FE? Explanation of "under the radar" on FE?
Is it possible for something to be both true and unproven?

Are things that are true and proven any different from things that are true but not proven?

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Slemon

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2018, 04:01:42 PM »
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JackBlack

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2018, 05:11:01 PM »
https://wiki.tfes.org/Radar_and_the_Horizon
The change in atmospheric composition is negligible between going above and under the radar.
That would only make sense if someone was comparing radars at ground level to those elevated km in the sky.

The signal to noise is also highly dependent upon the properties of the object and it is a simple "power of 4" relation.
While any object can go under the radar the same as any other.

So can you provide an answer, or just a link to crap?

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rabinoz

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robintex

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2018, 06:33:09 PM »
The phrase "under the radar" has been used in historical accounts, military writing, etc. The idea is the same as not seeing things over the horizon. How does this work on FE? Seems like the radar would see everything out to the limits of its range on FE. Simple explanation on RE, no explanation on FE? Explanation of "under the radar" on FE?
Theoritically, if the earth was flat, you could have a surface search type radar of unlimited range because there is no horizon at a limited distance on a flat earth.(Big question mark on that. Where and how far is the horizon on a flat earth ? )

It would be a bit impractical, though.
The Pulse Repetition Rate (the time between when  the radar  transmits, bounces off an object and returns to the receiver) would be so slow and long that this would not be practical.
And the transmitter power would probably be so high it would be impractical.
The range of the typical WWII Navy surface search radar was limited by the range it could "see" to the horizon.
Which was limited by the height of the antenna.
The same as the range of the lookout in the crow's nest was limited by his height above the level of the sea.
Because of the curvature of the earth.
The WWII Navy SG-1b Surface Search Radar had a maximum range of about 12 miles with an antenna mounted on a mast 100 feet above sea level.
(Using the formula :  d (distance to the horizon - in miles) = 1.2 (Constant) x h (square root of the height of the antenna - in feet) )

Of course, this was just one radar system.
There are many other types with different designs, etc. affecting the maximum range.

Bottom line :
The earth is not flat. It has no curvature.
The earth is round. It has a curvature.

« Last Edit: July 29, 2018, 07:11:58 PM by Googleotomy »
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Slemon

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2018, 08:19:39 PM »
https://wiki.tfes.org/Radar_and_the_Horizon
Incorrect!
Gee, thank you for such a startlingly useful and informative post.

I get the feeling the OP wanted to hear what the FE answer was. Does tend to be how this forum works.
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JackBlack

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2018, 09:33:38 PM »
Gee, thank you for such a startlingly useful and informative post.
It was more useful than yours.

I get the feeling the OP wanted to hear what the FE answer was.
Or rather than just wanting to hear what a FE answer is, perhaps they wanted an actual explanation that works, rather than typical FE nonsense or an admission from FEers that they have no explanation?
I get the feeling that is what most people that actually ask questions of FEers want.

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rabinoz

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2018, 09:37:40 PM »
https://wiki.tfes.org/Radar_and_the_Horizon
Incorrect!
Gee, thank you for such a startlingly useful and informative post.

I get the feeling the OP wanted to hear what the FE answer was. Does tend to be how this forum works.
I was hinting that the explanation in Radar and the Horizon is a pure guess that does not fit with radar ranges being predominantly controlled by the horizon.

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robintex

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Re: "under the radar"
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2018, 09:13:36 AM »
https://wiki.tfes.org/Radar_and_the_Horizon
Incorrect!
Gee, thank you for such a startlingly useful and informative post.

I get the feeling the OP wanted to hear what the FE answer was. Does tend to be how this forum works.
I was hinting that the explanation in Radar and the Horizon is a pure guess that does not fit with radar ranges being predominantly controlled by the horizon.

Air Search Radars, where the antenna is aimed to "look" upward into the sky, are not controlled by the horizon.
In the USA, The Air Route Surveillance Radar (ARSR's- types 1, 2 ,3,4) by the FAA for Enroute Air Traffic Control have a maximum range of 290 miles.
Of course, there are many factors invloved.

I would like to hear a post from an FE Radar Expert.
I'm no expert-and don't claim to be one like sceptimaric or sandokhan - I'm just posting the little that I do know . LOL.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2018, 09:30:06 AM by Googleotomy »
Stick close , very close , to your P.C.and never go to sea
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Look out your window , see what you shall see
And you all may be Rulers of The Flat Earth Society

Chorus:
Yes ! Never, never, never,  ever go to sea !