Horizon and moon

How lunar phases are possible on the flat Earth? Is moon lighting it's own light?

How we can see objects that are hide in a part beyond horizon if earth is flat? Don't tell me it is thanks to perspective or ether. Both of these things don't work like this.

How lunar phases are possible on the flat Earth? Is moon lighting it's own light?

Maybe. Probably not, but maybe.

How we can see objects that are hide in a part beyond horizon if earth is flat? Don't tell me it is thanks to perspective or ether. Both of these things don't work like this.

Perspective.

Hey Ski,

There are a lot of people out there with a lot of misconceptions about perspective. I'm trying to organize a little group-experiment to study perspective. Would you be interested in performing an experiment to test your knowledge and your hypotheses about perspective?

Quote from: Dybak on June 12, 2018, 12:14:42 PM

How lunar phases are possible on the flat Earth? Is moon lighting it's own light?

Maybe. Probably not, but maybe.

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How we can see objects that are hide in a part beyond horizon if earth is flat? Don't tell me it is thanks to perspective or ether. Both of these things don't work like this.

Perspective.

Some flat earthers say the moon is "self illuminating".....In other words the moon makes it own light.
Some flat earthers say the light is caused by "bio-illuminescent creatures which live on the moon".
Some flat earthers say these creatures are "moonshrimp /or/ moonshramp".
Some flat earthers say the phases of the moon are caused by migrations of these creatures back and forth across the surface of the moon.

It is not perspective. It is because of the curvature of the earth because the earth is a sphere.

Hey Ski,

There are a lot of people out there with a lot of misconceptions about perspective. I'm trying to organize a little group-experiment to study perspective. Would you be interested in performing an experiment to test your knowledge and your hypotheses about perspective?

Hey ICanScienceThat-
There are a lot of people out there with a lot of misconceptions about a lot of things.
You find them on these forums !

Quote from: ICanScienceThat on June 12, 2018, 01:24:33 PM

Hey Ski,

There are a lot of people out there with a lot of misconceptions about perspective. I'm trying to organize a little group-experiment to study perspective. Would you be interested in performing an experiment to test your knowledge and your hypotheses about perspective?

Hey ICanScienceThat-
There are a lot of people out there with a lot of misconceptions about a lot of things.
You find them on these forums !

That's why I'm here! I want to see if doing experiments ourselves can change misconceptions.

Perspective.

Perspective isn't magic.
It doesn't magically hide the bottom of objects.

We have been over this repeatedly in other threads.
Perspective simply makes things appear smaller.
If you wish to claim it is capable of magically hiding objects from the bottom up, you need to prove it.

I think the best way to make any progress with this type of material is to do an experiment.

We can bicker and argue about it, but that doesn't make any progress. Everyone can make claims and even cite evidence, but that has no impact either.

That's why I propose we shift from an adversarial approach and instead adopt an approach of collaboration. Let's investigate this fairly and honestly... together. I've done a little experiment that I think was very enlightening. I'm inviting others to do the experiment too so that we can each come up with (ideally) the same results on our own. Then maybe we can talk about what those results mean knowing that we all saw the same patterns.

I think the best way to make any progress with this type of material is to do an experiment.

The big issue is the scale involved.
No one seems to disagree with the results expected at the small scale.
The problem is that FEers require it to do something fundamentally different at the large scale where instead of objects simply shrinking, they appear much lower than expected and disappear from the bottom up.
This large scale requires long distances, where the curvature of Earth would start to be significant.
If you assume Earth is flat, you get the results the FEers want, where objects are lower than they should be and appear to disappear from the bottom up.
If you accept it is round, you get the same results as at the small scale.

That's why I propose we shift from an adversarial approach and instead adopt an approach of collaboration.

Which typically doesn't work with the FEers either.
If you do the experiment and don't get the result they want, they will accuse of lying or other dishonesty.
Likewise, if they claim that they got a result which no one other than FEers seem capable of obtaining, they will often be accused of lying.

If collaboration was enough, there wouldn't be FEers, as the collaboration has already shown Earth to be round.

I've done a little experiment that I think was very enlightening. I'm inviting others to do the experiment too so that we can each come up with (ideally) the same results on our own. Then maybe we can talk about what those results mean knowing that we all saw the same patterns.

Then perhaps you should start a thread on this experiment with all the details for everyone to see and comment on rather than just inviting people, or if you have it already, link to it.

Edit: I assume this is the experiment?
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=76054