the model for sun.

first of all, disclaimer: i do not believe the earth is flat and in this topic i would like to provide a simple reason why.
My main problem with your theory is the fact that time zones exist. Unlike "ships going past the horison" there is no possibility of light-bending cold air, no optical illusion that can be utilized to disprove the existence of time zones, and, on the contrary, proving their existence is nowadays easy, any videochat (skype or viber), any webcam can prove that the day/night cycle is different in other places on our planet.
If you would consider the traditional astronomical model the explanation is easy: light from a distant sun illuminates only half of the Earth sphere, and the other half is dark. As the planet turns, some places get under the sunlight while other turn the other way around, hiding from the sun. I don't know any coherent explanation that would make time zones compatible with flat earth.
Let's consider two models describing sun in the flat earth model:

• Sun goes around the disc
  In this model sun makes a full revolution around a disc, going below the plain at night. This model makes pretty nice sunsets and sunrises, but then the how could there possibly be any time zones? More still, if you would assume that this flat earth is radial and centered on the north pole, the sun would rise from different directions in different places.
• Sun goes in circles over the disc
  From what i saw it seems that the second model is more popular, having even some explainations for seasons. However, this model makes no sense out of sunrises, and day/night cycle seems just as improbable.

Do you have any models that actually work? i can make some 3d models to illustrate them.

first of all, disclaimer: i do not believe the earth is flat and in this topic i would like to provide a simple reason why.
My main problem with your theory is the fact that time zones exist. Unlike "ships going past the horison" there is no possibility of light-bending cold air, no optical illusion that can be utilized to disprove the existence of time zones, and, on the contrary, proving their existence is nowadays easy, any videochat (skype or viber), any webcam can prove that the day/night cycle is different in other places on our planet.
If you would consider the traditional astronomical model the explanation is easy: light from a distant sun illuminates only half of the Earth sphere, and the other half is dark. As the planet turns, some places get under the sunlight while other turn the other way around, hiding from the sun. I don't know any coherent explanation that would make time zones compatible with flat earth.
Let's consider two models describing sun in the flat earth model:

• Sun goes around the disc
  In this model sun makes a full revolution around a disc, going below the plain at night. This model makes pretty nice sunsets and sunrises, but then the how could there possibly be any time zones? More still, if you would assume that this flat earth is radial and centered on the north pole, the sun would rise from different directions in different places.
• Sun goes in circles over the disc
  From what i saw it seems that the second model is more popular, having even some explainations for seasons. However, this model makes no sense out of sunrises, and day/night cycle seems just as improbable.

Do you have any models that actually work? i can make some 3d models to illustrate them.

The ancient Babylonians, Hebrews and Chinese did have flat earth models that had the sun rising and setting. Here are bits of a couple of posts I made earlier.

Over a small region, even up many hundreds of kilometres across the earth looks flat and motionless.
But you might also have noted that these "ancients" saw, as we do now, the sun rise from behind the horizon and set behind the horizon.
Hence their "cosmologies" included some mechanism for this to actually happen. For example:

• The Babylonians believed that the sun rose in the east from the underworld (Hades) and set in the west, back into Hades.
  Then the sun travelled from west through Hades.
  So the Babylonians had a model where the sun actually rose and set.
• As far as I can gather, the ancient Hebrews believed that the sun rose and set through openings in the "vault", as in
  Quote from: Enoch Chapter 71, SECT. XIII.

  2. This is the first law of the luminaries. The sun and the light arrive at the gates of heaven, which are on the east, and on the west of it at the western gates of heaven.
  3. I beheld the gates whence the sun goes forth; and the gates where the sun sets;
  

  So they had a model where the sun actually rose and set.

And other "ancients" had similar "models" where the earth looked locally flat, but they did model what we see, the sun rising and setting!

The "Book of Enoch" goes into great detail about these gates in the east and the west and how they explain the sun rising from different locations throught the year.

Quote from: totallackey on March 12, 2018, 02:37:14 AM

There is evidence remaining from ancient cultures who believed in a firmament or dome of some type.

The ancient Hebrews certainly did, as described in detail in academy for ancient texts, BOOK OF ENOCH ASTRONOMY, something like:

But one thing that is very significant is that these ancient Hebrews did not have the sun and moon circling above the earth.
As seen in the above diagram, their cosmology had portals for the sun and moon to enter from the east and another set for them to leave in the west at sunset.
They had different portals so that the sun and moon would rise from and set in the observed directions.

The ancient Babylonian and most early Chinese cosmologies had celestial spheres for the sun and moon etc, so the rising and setting of the sun, moon etc was easily explained.

It seems probable that only the modern flat-earthers and the short lived Taoist Chinese cosmologies have the celestial objects circling above.
The Taoist Chinese cosmology was short lived for a very obvious reason - it could not explain such simple observations as sunrise and sunset.

Which, of course, leaves our modern flat-earthers a bit "out on a limb".

The difference is that these ancient cultures only modelled the bit of earth they knew and it looked pretty flat and seemed to have sun, moon, planets and stars rising from (or behind) and setting in to (or behind) the horizon.

So the flat earth explained what those ancient people observed and the Babylonians left us quite a large astronomical legacy, including the constellations of the Zodiac.

But such a model will not fit the whole earth with its different time zones etc. As a result, I often label this the neo-Flatist Earth Theory - the new flat earth theory.

The ancient one was quite acceptable but the new one simply cannot explain what anyone can see with their unaided eyes.