Prof that we went to the moon

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rabinoz

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Re: Prof that we went to the moon
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2017, 05:47:24 PM »
To end all this shit, if we really did go to the moon or not, let NASA make an optical telescope that anybody can by, under $2,000 that can see the moon landing sites of the Apollo program. Only then will this close.

The Nikon P900 can go up to 83X and it cost under $600.

You do have an extremely short memory! This very question was answered in some detail on July 25, 2017.

With present technology, it is simply not possible to make an earth-based telescope that could "see the moon landing sites of the Apollo program".

The objects in question are around 5 m across. At 384,000 km that would mean an angular size of
atan(0.005/384000) = 7.5 x 10-7° or 0.0027 seconds of arc.
From the post below, the best resolution from any earth-based telescope is the "Lucky Camera and low-order adaptive optics with the 5m Palomar telescope, angular resolution 35 milliarcsecond."

In other words, you need a telescope 13 times better than the best available simply to separate 2 dots, 5 m apart. I doubt that you would be convinced that those dots were remnants of any Apollo mission.

You say "Only then will this close". Mr InFlatEarth
it is closed now, except for sceptics like you that will never believe anything that goes against your neo-Flat Earthism Religion,
because to you, it is nothing less than a religion.

You might read this:
Third-party evidence for Apollo Moon landings, though nothing would convince you.

Here read that post again!
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At 300 zoom, the math states that we should see images of 35 meters long and thus be able to see the moon landings if they truly went to the moon.
You, Mr InFlatEarth are a total fraud!

An object 35 m across at a distance of 384,400 km
subtends an angle of only 0.0000052°, that is 0.00031 min of arc or 0.019 arcsecs!
;D ;D If my calculations are correct your magic camera should see a dime at almost 200 km!  ;D ;D
I want one for Christmas!

So, Mr InFlatEarth, you are claiming that a ground-based digital camera has a better resolution than the Hubble space telescope which has a theoretical angular resolution of about 0.05 arcseconds.

Here is a bit on some enhancements to the Hale 200" telescope on Mt Palomar:
Quote from: Craig Mackay
We have used the 5m telescope at the Palomar Observatory in California and a conventional bright-star adaptive optics system, combined with lucky imaging, to demonstrate our technique. Example results from our observations are shown in Figure 2. The images obtained using our adaptation of the lucky imaging technique have significantly better angular resolution than images obtained in the standard manner from the 5m Palomar telescope and from the Hubble Advanced Camera for Surveys. This allows greater detail to be observed for the same regions of the sky. Indeed, the highest resolution image shown in Figure 2 has the highest resolution of any image ever taken at visible or near-IR wavelengths for faint targets.
Figure 2. The core of a globular cluster (Messier object M13) imaged with three different systems. Left: Natural seeing with the Palomar Observatory 5m telescope, angular resolution ∼0.65 arcsecond. Middle: Hubble Advanced Camera for Surveys, angular resolution ∼120 milliarcsecond. Right: Lucky Camera and low-order adaptive optics with the 5m Palomar telescope, angular resolution 35 milliarcsecond. The ability to resolve small, faint objects in the middle and right images illustrates their high resolutions.

From: SPIE, High-resolution imaging with large ground-based telescopes
In other words, the best resolution achieved to that date for a ground based telescope was 35 milliarcsecond and YOU claim a digital camera can achieve 19 milliarcsecs.
What a total joke you are!
Now I'll grant you that anyone can make a mistake, but to make a blunder like and not immediately see that it is ridiculous,
means that ou have no idea what you are talking about.

Have a look at

Why can't we see the Apollo lunar landers on the Moon from Earth? Curious Droid

Please, oh please, run away and get some (uncommon) sense before wasting everybody's time with your utter rubbish!

You might also be (not) interested in

Ultra Close Up Views of the Apollo 11 Landing Site - GoneToPlaid, ytmoog


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Re: Prof that we went to the moon
« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2017, 04:52:23 AM »
To end all this shit, if we really did go to the moon or not, let NASA make an optical telescope that anybody can by, under $2,000 that can see the moon landing sites of the Apollo program. Only then will this close.

The Nikon P900 can go up to 83X and it cost under $600.
The Dawes' limit gives you a problem. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes%27_limit
Simply put, there is no way to make an optical telescope under $2000 to meet your qualifications.  In order to resolve images of Apollo hardware at the distance of the moon from the Earth you'll need a lens far larger than any that has yet been made.  The biggest telescopes currently in use have a resolution at the distance of the Moon of at best 200 feet per pixel.

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Re: Prof that we went to the moon
« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2017, 10:17:54 AM »
To end all this shit, if we really did go to the moon or not, let NASA make an optical telescope that anybody can by, under $2,000 that can see the moon landing sites of the Apollo program. Only then will this close.

The Nikon P900 can go up to 83X and it cost under $600.
The Dawes' limit gives you a problem. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes%27_limit
Simply put, there is no way to make an optical telescope under $2000 to meet your qualifications.  In order to resolve images of Apollo hardware at the distance of the moon from the Earth you'll need a lens far larger than any that has yet been made.  The biggest telescopes currently in use have a resolution at the distance of the Moon of at best 200 feet per pixel.

That presumes perfect "seeing"; no confounding effects from looking through the atmosphere. That can be mitigated to a good degree using adaptive optics, but not for anything within several orders or magnitude of $2000 - just for the AO system.

There's another interesting aspect to this proposal: finding the right place to look! If you had a suitable optical system and a sensor capable of resolving 0.5m per pixel, and a 100-megapixel sensor (say, 10,000 pixels square), the image would be 5 km on a side, about 2.5 arc-seconds square. Your mounting system would have to be extremely precise just to know where you're looking and exceedingly steady just to keep the same field of view. This is also far from free. In fact, with many serious amateur telescopes, the mount costs more than the optics (although, throwing adaptive optics into the mix would probably change this). The image of an object 5m on a side would occupy 100 pixels out of your 100 million pixel image, assuming it's in it somewhere. Finding a needle in a haystack suddenly seems a lot easier by comparison.

Not even big, bad, scary NASA can do the impossible. Their competence in accomplishing some very difficult things has apparently convinced some people that they can do whatever they want by sheer will, but, alas, that isn't the case. Very difficult and impossible are not the same. Sorry.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Re: Prof that we went to the moon
« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2017, 12:33:28 PM »
To end all this shit, if we really did go to the moon or not, let NASA make an optical telescope that anybody can by, under $2,000 that can see the moon landing sites of the Apollo program. Only then will this close.

The Nikon P900 can go up to 83X and it cost under $600.
The Dawes' limit gives you a problem. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawes%27_limit
Simply put, there is no way to make an optical telescope under $2000 to meet your qualifications.  In order to resolve images of Apollo hardware at the distance of the moon from the Earth you'll need a lens far larger than any that has yet been made.  The biggest telescopes currently in use have a resolution at the distance of the Moon of at best 200 feet per pixel.

That presumes perfect "seeing"; no confounding effects from looking through the atmosphere. That can be mitigated to a good degree using adaptive optics, but not for anything within several orders or magnitude of $2000 - just for the AO system.

There's another interesting aspect to this proposal: finding the right place to look! If you had a suitable optical system and a sensor capable of resolving 0.5m per pixel, and a 100-megapixel sensor (say, 10,000 pixels square), the image would be 5 km on a side, about 2.5 arc-seconds square. Your mounting system would have to be extremely precise just to know where you're looking and exceedingly steady just to keep the same field of view. This is also far from free. In fact, with many serious amateur telescopes, the mount costs more than the optics (although, throwing adaptive optics into the mix would probably change this). The image of an object 5m on a side would occupy 100 pixels out of your 100 million pixel image, assuming it's in it somewhere. Finding a needle in a haystack suddenly seems a lot easier by comparison.

Not even big, bad, scary NASA can do the impossible. Their competence in accomplishing some very difficult things has apparently convinced some people that they can do whatever they want by sheer will, but, alas, that isn't the case. Very difficult and impossible are not the same. Sorry.
The latest thing in clearing atmospheric distortion is lasers and computers. 
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Speaking of PROOF
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2017, 10:37:13 AM »


Can someone please crunch the numbers for the resolution it would take to view the magic balloons that hold up the "satellites" we are all using?

Thanks in advance!

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Denspressure

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Re: Speaking of PROOF
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2017, 11:26:56 AM »


Can someone please crunch the numbers for the resolution it would take to view the magic balloons that hold up the "satellites" we are all using?

Thanks in advance!
That is going to be difficult, FErs don't know the height and size of the balloon. They have to yet make it up.
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Re: Prof that we went to the moon
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2017, 11:57:17 AM »
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