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The most important question of all

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Darkfrog

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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #30 on: April 02, 2007, 09:44:32 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on March 31, 2007, 09:43:03 AM
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What toy rocket? My experiment involved a high altitude weather balloon. I think at 90,000 ft, you would be unable to deny seeing a globe.

I think your refusal to participate says a lot about your true beliefs and motives.

An altitude of 90,000 feet is well within military airspace.  Trespassing into airspace is a good way to get yourself arrested and tried under a military court.
Tom, it is completely legal and done all of the time, check out the links of many amateurs that have done just what I have proposed. The paperwork is a cinch.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #31 on: April 02, 2007, 10:00:35 AM »
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #32 on: April 02, 2007, 11:38:47 AM »
Quote from: silverhammermba on March 29, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
Please, be specific in your responses and try not to start a flame war or get off topic arguing specific points of either theory.

O...k. So how about actually answering my original question. All of you guys are spending so much time arguing over each others' beliefs that you're losing sight of the problem at hand. What would it take to convince you that you're wrong!?

It doesn't matter if you think someone else's response is insufficient evidence. Anyone's answer to my question is, after all, a matter of opinion.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2016, 09:09:07 PM »
To convince me that the Earth is Flat, gee, well, one way is for someone to find THE EDGE, y'know THE END, the Barrier, the Dome, the Dropping Off Point, whatever you want to call it.  And actually I'd expect more than one person to find it in more than one place because it's supposed to be in all directions if you go far enough.  It seems to me that once we find this EDGE we'd have an entirely new and very active industry set up to drill through the dome or to climb over the Edge and explore whatever is beyond.  There could be new resources, maybe even new forms of life out there - maybe even intelligent creatures.

As an alternative, a reliable Flat Earth Map.  If the Earth is as flat as a sheet of paper, then it should be rather easy to work up an accurate map - with no distortions at all in distances, directions, or shapes.  The only math involved would be the scale of reduction (e.g., one inch equals ten thousand miles).  And, of course, this map would show exactly where the EDGE is, in all directions.  But even in the 21st century we get lame excuses.

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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2016, 01:40:08 AM »
Go out of the world and see it is round with my own eyes. I did not do that so i can't tell exactly is it round or flat. So the belief activates and let me to believe the earth is flat.

Arnold schwarzenegger said that, "never trust anybody".  8)
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deadsirius

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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2016, 10:12:40 AM »
What would convince me of a flat earth:  as someone mentioned, going to the edge would very likely do it.  Flying up and seeing it from high enough would probably work.  Flying up and being able to verify the dome, and/or the "spotlight" sun and moon would be excellent.  This would probably be enough to make me a believer.

Next best would be for other people to do the above, and do so in a repeatable, falsifiable way, whereafter other people are able to do the same, and others after that.  This happening enough times would be a strong beginning, although I suppose I could simply say all of these people are part of a conspiracy and being paid/coerced into corroborating the new flat earth paradigm.  But who wants to be that cynical?   ::)

Barring that, it gets difficult.  Photo/video evidence of the above would be interesting.  Of course, I have to admit I would be the first to dismiss it as fake.  So let's say if the photo/video evidence is analyzed by plenty of knowledgeable, legitimate experts in photo/video manipulation and declared legit, that's a start.

Some kind of smoking-gun evidence of the conspiracy.  It would have to be out there.  Documentation, recordings, etc.  Again, these would have to stand up to scrutiny--any such thing could also be faked and there would need to be some reasonable degree of investigation, which ideally would uncover more such evidence that agrees with it.

Internal consistency within flat earth community--it would be marginally more plausible if they were all at least remotely on the same page.

Convincing alternative explanations for phenomena that are readily explained in the round earth worldview.

All of this combined would be enough, not to convince me, but to possibly make me a tentative round-earth skeptic.  It would be enough to get me to think flat earth may be worth considering.  But as far as "convinced"?  I would probably have to see it myself. 
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2016, 09:36:49 PM »
Send a rocket to record how the Polaris is fixed to the Dome.
Is it fixed directly, or hangs on something?

And if it is too high, then send rocket from Bahia Thetis or Punta Arenas to
closer part of the Dome to record some other stars.
How are they fixed, how big they are, and what happens when we spray paint on them.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2016, 11:12:29 PM »
If God comes to talk to me and says the earth is round, it will be absolutely convincing.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2016, 05:36:56 PM »
Here we are, in the 21st century, and the FES is deliberately using a map from the 19th century.

The entire FE movement is stuck in pre-college physics and math ... its very few glimmers of serious 20th century science are torn out of context and seem to deliberate skip parts of the same science that show the Earth is round and rotates.

I might point out that while so many of you have been venerating a map projection going back about four centuries, North Korea, on the other side of the globe (yes, that's what I said) is developing nuclear missiles and a miniaturized nuclear explosive that could be smuggled into the US or UK, left at a target, and leisurely detonated without even a moment's warning.  It appears that Iran is considering following that lead, although North Korea is so extremely threadbare from its nuclear program that it might simply sell one or more nukes for ready cash, not necessarily to respectable governments but to anyone with hard currency (e.g. ISIS).  But hey, keep tapping away at your keyboards on how the world is flat and before long someone will make sure it is.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2016, 09:29:50 AM »
for me to believe that the earth isn't a globe, I'd need the evidence that convinces me it is, to change

for instance:
- if the north star WAS visible from deep in the southern hemisphere
- if the lunar eclipse sometimes showed as not-circular
- if the sun disappeared to a point

these things absolutely prove we're a globe, so until the results of TESTABLE EVIDENCE start changing, I'll stick with common sense, logic and evidence

Quote from: TheEngineer on March 29, 2007, 09:51:32 PM
Send me to the International Space Station.  Since there are a bunch of you RE'ers, I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to raise $20 million to send me up there.

its nowhere near that price any more
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2016, 06:35:53 PM »
Getting back to the OP question:
Quote from: silverhammermba on March 29, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
If you believe in RE theory, what would it take to convince you that the Earth is flat?
I'm not sure it would be enough to actually convince me about FE, but today's lunar eclipse reminds me that if somebody could observe the shadow object which is supposed to explain lunar eclipses, it would go a long way toward convincing me there might be something to this whole FE thing after all. 

There are solar eclipses happening in 2017, 2019, and 2020 in various parts of the globe, these would be good opportunities to observe this mythical object, if it existed.
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2016, 09:46:05 PM »
Quote from: İntikam on September 08, 2016, 11:12:29 PM
If God comes to talk to me and says the earth is round, it will be absolutely convincing.

Highlight the space below to view the divine message . . . 







İntikam, this is the god.
Stop bringing up my name.
Seriously dude, shut up!
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2016, 01:10:04 AM »
Quote from: Sam Hill on September 16, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Getting back to the OP question:
Quote from: silverhammermba on March 29, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
If you believe in RE theory, what would it take to convince you that the Earth is flat?
I'm not sure it would be enough to actually convince me about FE, but today's lunar eclipse reminds me that if somebody could observe the shadow object which is supposed to explain lunar eclipses, it would go a long way toward convincing me there might be something to this whole FE thing after all. 

There are solar eclipses happening in 2017, 2019, and 2020 in various parts of the globe, these would be good opportunities to observe this mythical object, if it existed.

the shadow object doesn't block out the light of any other stars..
that's all you need to disprove that object

the lunar eclipse is the most blatant proof of our shape, flat earthers cannot provide ANY viable explanation that doesn't fail at basic testing
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2016, 01:31:48 AM »
Quote from: Johnorbital on September 17, 2016, 01:10:04 AM
the shadow object doesn't block out the light of any other stars..
that's all you need to disprove that object

Not necessarily. Maybe both the moon and the shadow object are behind the stars? Oh wait, but then we would see the stars pass in front of the moon... dang it... um... perspective?
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2016, 06:17:15 AM »
queue Leigh to come in claiming he's actually SEEN stars IN FRONT OF the moon :/
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Re: The most important question of all
« Reply #45 on: September 17, 2016, 06:18:53 AM »
Quote from: Sam Hill on September 16, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Getting back to the OP question:
Quote from: silverhammermba on March 29, 2007, 08:24:55 PM
If you believe in RE theory, what would it take to convince you that the Earth is flat?
I'm not sure it would be enough to actually convince me about FE, but today's lunar eclipse reminds me that if somebody could observe the shadow object which is supposed to explain lunar eclipses, it would go a long way toward convincing me there might be something to this whole FE thing after all. 

There are solar eclipses happening in 2017, 2019, and 2020 in various parts of the globe, these would be good opportunities to observe this mythical object, if it existed.

How it is possible to predict a solar eclipse if we do know nothing about the object which causes it? (Sorry Sam Hill, I know it's your sarcasm).
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