Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...

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Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« on: July 23, 2013, 02:48:39 PM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail dissapear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #1 on: July 23, 2013, 04:32:09 PM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail dissapear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.

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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 03:07:09 PM »
Dude, you can't just in passing say "my wife visited the corner of the Earth" in passing. WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2016, 12:53:26 PM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail dissapear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.

I HATE YOU!!! Just kidding LOL
But now you got me even more confused. Or maybe there is an explanation.
While you blew me away with why can't i  see plane trails dissappear into the horizon but before that you perplexed me with why can't I see the Mount everest.
I came here because I found a video which seems to be some Indian kids who do not seem to be involved in what FET allege the conspiracy where fake edited photos are release like of space and from Mount everest
IO saw a photo of selfies and one of them was the MOUNT everest selfie and that selfies look like he was on top of a sphere and it looked weirdly very very small sphere. It looked like there were not mountains nearby.
The picture looked weird http://36.media.tumblr.com/f2aedb47ea9bcbc58c7d6a0099f4a4c8/tumblr_n4c0kpqPaH1tytkiio1_1280.jpg The tumbr post says this one actually captures the curve of the earth.
Which is weird and the confession of the Poster is that he has not seen other photos that have captured the curve. Which is true one google image search and you can see many other selfies atop the Everest but none can capture the curve BECAUSE I AM SURE THERE ARE FRIGGING MOUNTAINS for miles. Tibet is supposed to be a plateau. So in a Round earth still the curve would not show.
Suprisingly this is supposed to be the poster photo for selfies on Everest. Other photos don't make the cut.

So I searched for Mount ever videos on youtube and found this " class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">
Whats weird is you can see the "disc" but not the curve.
But sometimes the horizon appears to curve when the camera is in a certain angle.

This proves that the earth curve can't be seen. Does it prove earth is flat Like NO. Like I said the entire range of mountains could be a "flattish" chunk jutting out of a sphere. Rising slowly.

But its very clear whey you can see skeptics why are they editing these photo to show the curve of the earth.

And I guess the reason we can't see the Mount Everest...Well I can't explain it but it sure gave me an idea.

Instead of FETers trying to replicate the Bedford experiment or circumnavigating the South Pole.
They can just find their nearest mountain range. Rather a big hill and then do the math.
Since for every km the the earth should drop 8inch(or cm what it was I forgot or was it every Mile, does not matter) We can easily calculate at what distance say a small 1000 feet hill should dissappear. Then we find out the how much light bends and then put that and see if the hillock is seen even fruther away.

I guess if you can see the hillock easily from all sides then we have proof the earth is flat. But like I said the earth surface is not a sphere , or a smooth curved side of a sphere in every direction. It cant be mountains rise and fall. Even on a flath earth you wont' have a flat surface all over for the same reason.
So you guys have to conduct experiments all around the world on various hills and mountains. Then we can have some evidence.


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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2016, 09:17:25 PM »
OP you can't leave us hanging. When did your wife visited the corner? What happened? What did she see?
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2016, 05:29:06 AM »
You're on a Flat Earth Society forum and haven't heard of the four corners of the earth?
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2016, 06:34:24 AM »
You're on a Flat Earth Society forum and haven't heard of the four corners of the earth?

I don't think there is a single flat earther here that believes the earth has four corners. Where the hell is that corner supposed to be anyway and how is your wife supposed to have visited it?

By the way, if this guy comes out in a couple of weeks and says he was a troll all along, I will not be surprised.
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2016, 10:02:14 AM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail disappear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.
I am curious about you. Do you believe in atoms? The Periodic Table of Elements that is based on protons? Viruses? Bacteria? These are too small to see.

Do you believe in microscopes? Telescopes? and what they show you? (assisted seeing)

I am not clear about what corner she visited.
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2016, 11:39:34 AM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail dissapear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.

Regardless, any evidence you come across that helps you decide the shape of the earth, your conclusion will come as a result of inductive reasoning.  In a purely logical sense, you will never know with absolute certainty (i.e. you cannot know beyond all doubt) what the shape of the earth is, even if you see the entire thing with your own eyes (e.g. your eyes may not accurately perceive the true nature of the earth, etc.)

So, first, you need to choose what question you are asking. For example, are you asking what the shape of the earth is based upon your observation of it, thereby eliminating the problem of flawed perception? My guess is that, yes, you probably are, because this is practical information that you can use given that you already navigate your environment via perception.  It presumably wouldn't do us a lot of practical good to care more about the shape of the earth irrespective of our perception of it.

So, since were concerned about formulating a conclusion about the shape of the earth that is congruent with our perception of it and which is derived through inductive reasoning, you to need to form the best conclusion based upon the information that's available to us.

So, let's form a null hypothesis: "The earth is observably flat." This hypothesis makes a prediction, namely that when you look at the earth in its entirety, it will appea flat.  Can you test this hypothesis directly?  Theoretically, yes (e.g. astronauts have), but not practically since you personally do not have the resources available.

So, what's the next best thing you can do?  Well, you can look at the evidence collected by others and formulate a model that best incorporates all of the data.  If some evidence is excluded from the model because it cannot be explained by it, then a better model is required. 

Saving citations of countless examples, a rejection of the null hypothesis is inevitable -- no, the world is not flat.  There are countless problems with a flat earth, problems that are better explained by an oblately spherical earth than a flat one.  Actually, I have yet to come across a single piece of data that isn't reconciled by the spherical model, regardless of whether the data is obtained via direct observation or from a 3rd-party source.

Simply put, an oblately spherical earth is a better model.  You shouldn't be as concerned about knowing "absolutely" what the shape of the earth is as you should be concerned about what the best conclusion is, especially since the nature of the hypothesis 'a priori' necessitates a conclusion derived through inductive reasoning.

TL;DR: Needing to see with your own eyes is overrated.  Not in all instances, but in this one it is.  This isn't a question like "do ghosts exist?" which tests a limit of the scientific method that does not permit scientific conclusions to be drawn about events that are too rare, too small, or too big to be explained via the collection of observable, replicable data.  The earth is our home and we have persisting access to it.  Accordingly, all you need to do is form a model that accounts for all of the data.  To that end, we have fucking photos of earth from space. Enough said.  If you distrust those photos, then change your null hypothesis and focus on the pictures' validity.  Just know that if you do then you are opening yourself up to social scrutiny and the consequences thereof.

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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2016, 12:47:59 PM »
OP you can't leave us hanging. When did your wife visited the corner? What happened? What did she see?
I'd love to know as well.
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2016, 03:29:36 PM »
Not only do you have to SEE something, but have the common sense to understand WHAT you are seeing. For example, the S. Celestial Pole (the center of southern star trails) in the sky south of the equator:

If all you can say is "gee, that's pretty", then your seeing isn't sufficient. You need to use your brain as well. Two things you need to know about that picture.

1) The S. Celestial Pole is a SINGLE POINT. It and the N. Celestial Pole DEFINE the axis of rotation of the sky and Earth. This leads to the conclusion that the SCP and NCP MUST be over a SINGLE POINT on Earth. The SCP MUST be over the S.Pole of the Earth that is a SINGLE POINT. So, no, the Earth CAN NOT be a flat disk with people living on just one side. On such a disk, the true S.Pole (and the SCP above it) is UNDER the N.Pole and CAN NOT be seen from above the disk. Therefore, that picture is IMPOSSIBLE on a disk Earth. Spherical Earth +1, Flat Earth -infinity.

2) On Earth, every location has a latitude and longitude. These correspond EXACTLY with celestial coordinates (declination and ascension). A star that has a declination of say 40° N will go around the Earth in 24 hours and "draw" the 40° N latitude on Earth.
a) This further supports (1) that the SCP (being a SINGLE POINT) is above a SINGLE POINT that is 90° S.
b) Although it may not be obvious, if you draw a horizontal line on that image through the SCP, EVERYTHING BELOW the line is on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE EARTH (other side of the S.Pole) from you. On a Flat Earth, that would mean you are looking at the stars on the OTHER SIDE OF THE EARTH some 10,000+ miles BEHIND you. Another IMPOSSIBILITY. This IS supported by a spherical Earth. Spherical Earth +1, Flat Earth -infinity.

Another example is if you draw a horizontal line through a northern star trails image (with Polaris toward the middle), everything below it is on the other side of the Earth. So, from say Denver, CO 40° N, the stars above your head are 40° N declination. On the other side of the NCP (above the N.Pole), the 40° N declination shows stars above Kashi/Kashgar, Tajikistan, 12 hours away.

So, you must be able to think, reason and use common sense when you SEE something. Just seeing is not enough.
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2016, 05:45:34 AM »
...I've been curious about the Flat Earth Society. I started questioning my belief that the earth is round. All my life I have known the earth to be round, I did not question this since everything I was taught growing up says that the earth is a sphere/or spheroid. I've always questioned whether we have actually landed on the moon, I find it hard to believe that any human can travel very far beyond our atmosphere due to what would be involved in space travel and the dangers.
Its also hard to believe that the earth is flat. I question the reasons why so many would hide the truth. Seems to me that there would be a lot of effort in keeping a secret with little benefit. What is the reason for this lie?
My main question is why can i not see mount everest or mauna kea? If the earth is indeed flat why have I seen a planes vapor trail dissapear into the ground? With the technology we have today, it should be easy to prove what's true. Which is probably why I'm agnostic, I need to see to believe.

you wanna see to believe? how about that: you take a camera (doenst have to be super good, al ittle better than a mobile though) and atripod. at night you go to a dark place outside and take a longexposure picture of the night sky (several minutes, like 2 to 10) you will see that the stars all obit polaris (if you are in the northernhemisphere) clockwise. if you now go to the southernhemisphere (or you ask a friend from down under) and do the same thing you will discover that all the stars (depending on the season, sometimes you even see the same stars partly) are roatating around the southern cross ANTICLOCKWISE!
1.  they do not rotated in the same direction.. and 2. not around the same pole!! This is simple experiment can be done by everybody without expensive gear and does absolutely not fit with the FE theory!! and alwaysa when i am posting this somewhere, nobody will answer anymore :-)

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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2016, 06:35:12 AM »
Why are you all debating with a 3 year old post?
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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2016, 05:14:17 PM »

1) The S. Celestial Pole is a SINGLE POINT. It and the N. Celestial Pole DEFINE the axis of rotation of the sky and Earth. This leads to the conclusion that the SCP and NCP MUST be over a SINGLE POINT on Earth. The SCP MUST be over the S.Pole of the Earth that is a SINGLE POINT. So, no, the Earth CAN NOT be a flat disk with people living on just one side. On such a disk, the true S.Pole (and the SCP above it) is UNDER the N.Pole and CAN NOT be seen from above the disk. Therefore, that picture is IMPOSSIBLE on a disk Earth. Spherical Earth +1, Flat Earth -infinity.



On the Flat Earth Facebook page someone asked about the S Celestial Pole spinning on a point. When according to Flat Earth the stars should be traveling in long straight lines around the edge. Their answer. It's perspective.

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Re: Ever since my wife visted the corner of the earth...
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2016, 07:53:40 PM »

1) The S. Celestial Pole is a SINGLE POINT. It and the N. Celestial Pole DEFINE the axis of rotation of the sky and Earth. This leads to the conclusion that the SCP and NCP MUST be over a SINGLE POINT on Earth. The SCP MUST be over the S.Pole of the Earth that is a SINGLE POINT. So, no, the Earth CAN NOT be a flat disk with people living on just one side. On such a disk, the true S.Pole (and the SCP above it) is UNDER the N.Pole and CAN NOT be seen from above the disk. Therefore, that picture is IMPOSSIBLE on a disk Earth. Spherical Earth +1, Flat Earth -infinity.
On the Flat Earth Facebook page someone asked about the S Celestial Pole spinning on a point. When according to Flat Earth the stars should be traveling in long straight lines around the edge. Their answer. It's perspective.
The SCP is the single point in the middle of southern star trails. It must be above a single point on Earth - the S.Pole. When EVERYONE faces the SCP or S.Pole, they are facing due south. If you draw a horizontal line through the SCP below, all the stars below it are on the OTHER SIDE of the Earth ~10,000+ mi BEHIND you. No amount of perspective BS will change any of this. FEers simply don't understand geometry or astronomy. They come up with nonsense as answers. A FE is just a fantasy that has nothing to do with reality - the real world.


The edge of a disk is the Celestial Equator not the S.Pole.
(https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=66457.0)
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