An account of "atmospheric distortions"

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Fezmonkey

An account of "atmospheric distortions"
« on: December 04, 2006, 11:45:48 PM »
There has been some talk about so-called "atmospheric distortions", but as far as I can tell, no actual account of just what they are. I believe I can provide an account which explains a number of observed phenomena which supposedly refute FE. Namely, I show how atmospheric distortions can explain why the mast of a ship descends below the horizon after its hull, and why the sun, which is a disc, btw, appears circular even as it descends below the horizon.



Figure 1: curved sight-lines through the atmosphere

Figure 1 shows how light bends as it travels through the atmosphere. As the observer looks straight up or down, light travels straight, but as the angle at which the observer looks changes, the curvature changes correspondingly. The Horizon Line marked in the figure represents the lowest angle at which one can observe open sky, and anything that crosses that line (into the blind area), appears to "fall below" the horizon. The point marked by the top arrow is the point at which the sun appears to set. Note that the angle at which the sight lines meets the plane on which the sun orbits is orthogonal, and their distribution is uniform. These two features account for the fact that no matter where on the plane the sun may be, it appears circular.



Figure 2: a ship descends the horizon

Figure 2 shows how a ship falls below the horizon hull-first. Since as the ship gets farther away from shore, the hull is the first thing to cross the horizon line, it is the first thing that vanishes.

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Erasmus

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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 11:53:20 PM »
Your expose is a functionally accurate description of the process by which an atmospheric distortion would cause the horizon phenomenon; however, you have not included any mechanism by which this atmospheric effect would come into an existence.  Do you have an idea for such a mechanism?
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midgard

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2006, 02:42:55 AM »
Very pretty pictures. I can see the atmospheric distortion so clearly...but as Eramus said, what causes it?

All you have is a couple of pretty pictures without any explanation.

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2006, 02:50:34 AM »
Quote from: "midgard"
Very pretty pictures. I can see the atmospheric distortion so clearly...but as Eramus said, what causes it?

All you have is a couple of pretty pictures without any explanation.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2006, 05:53:10 AM »
I can tell you why they bend, it is due to the density of the atmosphere, due to light rays travelling through a vacuum the atmosphere is practically not there, but when it hits the atmosphere (which is denser than a vacuum) the light is bent inwards (towards the person). This can be observed with a sinple experiment, a light box that emits a straight line of light and a three dimensional triangle made of a denser material (forget the name of the stuff).
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2006, 07:14:23 AM »
Quote from: "Jake"
I can tell you why they bend, it is due to the density of the atmosphere, due to light rays travelling through a vacuum the atmosphere is practically not there, but when it hits the atmosphere (which is denser than a vacuum) the light is bent inwards (towards the person). This can be observed with a sinple experiment, a light box that emits a straight line of light and a three dimensional triangle made of a denser material (forget the name of the stuff).

You have a problem there Jake. The atmosphere is less dense the higher you get, which means this effect is in the wrong direction. We should see more of the boat, and the sun should appear higher, not the other way around.
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Fezmonkey

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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2006, 09:29:29 AM »
Thanks for your replies. I'm still in the early stages of working this out, but I think the answer lies somewhere in the shape and orientation of air molecules causing the light to be reflected at a certain angle each time it hits one, kind of like what happens in a fiber-optic cable. This will take some more thought, but I think it could work.

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Seriously

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2006, 09:46:59 AM »
The atmosphere does not curve light in such a drastic manner. If it were to do with the shape of the molecules in the air, the scattering would be random, it would not follow a pretty curve like you have drawn.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2006, 09:55:39 AM »
Quote from: "Seriously"
The atmosphere does not curve light in such a drastic manner.

Well, duh, it was just used to show what he means...