Rust Disproves A Lack of Air

the one time you provided links out of the dozen or so times you repeated that bs i responded and refuted.
there are many oxygen sensors, i need to know which specific sensor you are referrign to. using the one specific link you provided, the only detection mechanism is an electronic current. given that nitrogen etc are a resistor, clearly they will detect nothing there: oxygen and empty space however do not resist, so there is no problem.

The instrument is a Servomex Servopro 1440 gas analyzer. It uses a paramagnetic cell.
http://www.systechillinois.com/en/paramagnetic-cells_54.html

So, how does it read the expected oxygen percents?

The instrument is a Servomex Servopro 1440 gas analyzer. It uses a paramagnetic cell.
http://www.systechillinois.com/en/paramagnetic-cells_54.html

So, how does it read the expected oxygen percents?

if oxygen is present, it does as it says. if there is no oxygen, the meter (like many) is clearly not designed for use in what essentially is a vacuum, so don't be surprised that it isn't perfect. it doesn't detect oxygen: it detects an effect of oxygen (in this case, a force exerted) which could have many possile causes: for example, the disturbances to the aether caused by its movement.

I suggest you actual read the link and then try again. The analyzer does not work off pressure.

I used to work in a hospital biochemistry lab. One of the most common tests we did was blood gases. Blood levels of O2 and CO2 are measured directly using O2 and CO2 electrodes. Arterial blood always has much more O2 than venous blood. Often we would test patients who had suffered respiratory arrest - sure enough, the O2 levels drop and the CO2 levels rise.
How do you explain this if we do not breath air?

I suggest you actual read the link and then try again. The analyzer does not work off pressure.
never said pressure, moron: i said a force exerted and if you'd read the link, it detects thanks to "a force on the glass spheres"
try reading for once in your miserable little life.

Blood levels of O2 and CO2 are measured directly using O2 and CO2 electrodes. Arterial blood always has much more O2 than venous blood.
consider that what you're detecting is based on your assumption that oxygen is responsible for breathing. there are many differences: heat possessed, energy due to movement (arteries would clearly possess more force, and some subsances behave differently when accelerated).

I suggest you actual read the link and then try again. The analyzer does not work off pressure.
never said pressure, moron: i said a force exerted and if you'd read the link, it detects thanks to "a force on the glass spheres"
try reading for once in your miserable little life.

Cool.
The The meter is hooked up to a pump for when we run air through it. The meter also has a low flow warning. So no, the meter is not messing up because of a vacuum. Is it now an official claim that aether is effected by magnetic fields?

And once again, how does a gas cylinder of nitrogen end up with zero aether in it, and how does a oxygen cylinder end up with 100% aether?

Blood levels of O2 and CO2 are measured directly using O2 and CO2 electrodes. Arterial blood always has much more O2 than venous blood.
consider that what you're detecting is based on your assumption that oxygen is responsible for breathing. there are many differences: heat possessed, energy due to movement (arteries would clearly possess more force, and some subsances behave differently when accelerated).

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You are guessing. That wouldn't explain part of the quote that you omitted. "Often we would test patients who had suffered respiratory arrest - sure enough, the O2 levels drop and the CO2 levels rise."

The The meter is hooked up to a pump for when we run air through it. The meter also has a low flow warning. So no, the meter is not messing up because of a vacuum.
low flow is not the same as a vacuum: often supposed vacuums are just excited aether: high activity, which causes the pressure we see. that's not the same as a simple lack of gas


how does a gas cylinder of nitrogen end up with zero aether in it, and how does a oxygen cylinder end up with 100% aether?
that is not the case as i have repeatedly said to you. those measuring systems do correctly measure gases. the problem is, as i have repeatedly said, observations may have mutliple explanations. learn. to. read. they detect consequences: those may be consequences of oxygen, or uninterrupted aether.

That wouldn't explain part of the quote that you omitted. "Often we would test patients who had suffered respiratory arrest - sure enough, the O2 levels drop and the CO2 levels rise."
yes it would. think. someone suffering respiratory arrest suffers the lack of what breathing achieves: heat conduction, and an energetic heartbeat. think for once.

The The meter is hooked up to a pump for when we run air through it. The meter also has a low flow warning. So no, the meter is not messing up because of a vacuum.
low flow is not the same as a vacuum: often supposed vacuums are just excited aether: high activity, which causes the pressure we see. that's not the same as a simple lack of gas

You are guessing. If no gas is running through the meter it will error out. A simple pump will fix this. The meter will still have atmospheric pressure, but it's not flowing. How is "excited aether causes a vacuum, but aetheric whirlpools cause gravity variances? 

how does a gas cylinder of nitrogen end up with zero aether in it, and how does a oxygen cylinder end up with 100% aether?
that is not the case as i have repeatedly said to you. those measuring systems do correctly measure gases. the problem is, as i have repeatedly said, observations may have mutliple explanations. learn. to. read. they detect consequences: those may be consequences of oxygen, or uninterrupted aether.

So you can't respond to the statement that the analyzer will run 0% when hooked up to nitrogen and 100% when hooked up to oxygen. Got it. It's like the anaerobic glove boxes, you have no answer.

You know they get the oxygen for oxygen gas cylinders from the air right? Just like nitrogen and argon.

That wouldn't explain part of the quote that you omitted. "Often we would test patients who had suffered respiratory arrest - sure enough, the O2 levels drop and the CO2 levels rise."
yes it would. think. someone suffering respiratory arrest suffers the lack of what breathing achieves: heat conduction, and an energetic heartbeat. think for once.

Yes you need to think for once. You think you are sitting at your computer while people that actual deal with oxygen in real life are wrong. Think about that.

But we know the electrodes are measuring O2 and CO2 -they are calibrated using compressed O2 and CO2!!!

JRowe, a good scientist knows when to admit he is wrong.

JRowe, If there is no air how does the feather drop experiment work?
Please watch the following, they are all very short.

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The feather drop experiment was used to show that gravity accelerates all things down at 9.8m/s, and that terminal velocity of air slows objects to fall at different speeds. With out air, everything falls at the same speed.
Now, watch the videos and consider what you have said about aether.
 - It is the source of gravity/ causes what we feel as gravity
 - It is what we detect as air.

From this.
aether and gravity are connected
aether and air resistance are connected
without aether gravity and air resistance are also gone
Thus If you have no air resistance you have no gravity.

excited aether causes a vacuum, but aetheric whirlpools cause gravity variances? 
aether exerts a force. that force is what we interpret as vacuum, on earth. the presence (or lack) of it is what causes gravity, and so the variations in it. learn about the model, seriously.

So you can't respond to the statement that the analyzer will run 0% when hooked up to nitrogen and 100% when hooked up to oxygen.
yes, that's true, only if you persist in being as illiterate as ever. i directly answered this question, and you quoted it. respond to what i say for once in your pathetic life, moron.

But we know the electrodes are measuring O2 and CO2 -they are calibrated using compressed O2 and CO2!!!
so? more than one thing may produce a simialr result.

JRowe, If there is no air how does the feather drop experiment work?
air is not the only cause of friction. seriously? aether causing friction has always been a fundamental part of the dual earth model: it's what keeps the stars alight.

excited aether causes a vacuum, but aetheric whirlpools cause gravity variances? 
aether exerts a force. that force is what we interpret as vacuum, on earth. the presence (or lack) of it is what causes gravity, and so the variations in it. learn about the model, seriously.

So you can't respond to the statement that the analyzer will run 0% when hooked up to nitrogen and 100% when hooked up to oxygen.
yes, that's true, only if you persist in being as illiterate as ever. i directly answered this question, and you quoted it. respond to what i say for once in your pathetic life, moron.

But we know the electrodes are measuring O2 and CO2 -they are calibrated using compressed O2 and CO2!!!
so? more than one thing may produce a simialr result.

Nope. The electrodes work by using a membrane that conducts in the presence of CO2 or O2. They are made specifically to react only with what is being measured. They cannot react with anything else.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 02, 2015, 05:53:17 AM

excited aether causes a vacuum, but aetheric whirlpools cause gravity variances? 
aether exerts a force. that force is what we interpret as vacuum, on earth. the presence (or lack) of it is what causes gravity, and so the variations in it. learn about the model, seriously.

So you can't respond to the statement that the analyzer will run 0% when hooked up to nitrogen and 100% when hooked up to oxygen.
yes, that's true, only if you persist in being as illiterate as ever. i directly answered this question, and you quoted it. respond to what i say for once in your pathetic life, moron.

But we know the electrodes are measuring O2 and CO2 -they are calibrated using compressed O2 and CO2!!!
so? more than one thing may produce a simialr result.

Nope. The electrodes work by using a membrane that conducts in the presence of CO2 or O2. They are made specifically to react only with what is being measured. They cannot react with anything else.

they rely upon conduction, then: not co2 or o2. do you know how those molecules are detected? care to share?
please focus specifically on why magicaly only one particular molecule may exert the force/effect required.

A vacuum is the absence of a force. Look at how vacuum guages work and then try again.

Still nothing in anaerobic conditions? How does nickel sulfide catch on fire in the presence of air but in our glove box with no oxygen it doesn't?

A vacuum is the absence of a force. Look at how vacuum guages work and then try again.

Still nothing in anaerobic conditions? How does nickel sulfide catch on fire in the presence of air but in our glove box with no oxygen it doesn't?

lift up a bell jar and tell me vacuum involves no force. stop trying to shoehorn your model into mine, it may have escaped your notice but they're not the same thing.

i can't say anything in conditions where you refuse to give a specific example. what exactly were you expecting? if you're going to be vague and refuse to describe the experiment or situation you're talking about, there is no way for me to possibly respond. i have no idea what glove boxes you're talking about. i suspect it's just a matter of movement: with a gas that doesn't aid combustion (like oxygen) the molecular movement needed to combust is suppressed. in a vacuum chamber the excited aether pushes on the substance and again reduces movement.
it should not be too much to ask for you to actually describe your questions rather than expecting me to read your mind.

I'll destroy your whole post later.

So now aether is a pulling force? I thought it was a pushing force. How can it push down to cause gravity but then pull down when less of it exists to keep the bell jar on? And why can't aether go through glass. A closed contain would have zero gravity inside.

I'll destroy your whole post later.

So now aether is a pulling force? I thought it was a pushing force. How can it push down to cause gravity but then pull down when less of it exists to keep the bell jar on? And why can't aether go through glass. A closed contain would have zero gravity inside.

aether is space. it doesn't itself exert a force, the force is only ever the interpretation of the objects that exist in space (for example, as space moves, objects are pulled with it). aether may go through glass, but physical objects dampen its movement as they impart resistance: hence losing the 'excited', energetic motion within the bell jar. there is still always a downwards pull.
pull/push is just a semantic difference. what pulls from one perspective pushes from another.
the force within the bell jar is like an attractive force on all sides: the aether 'vibrates' (again these words are not perfect descriptions: we are discussing space not a physical object. still, they suffice as an analogy), and the movement draws all sides in, in much the same way that gravity works: objects move as the space they exist in moves.

aether is space. it doesn't itself exert a force, the force is only ever the interpretation of the objects that exist in space (for example, as space moves, objects are pulled with it). aether may go through glass, but physical objects dampen its movement as they impart resistance: hence losing the 'excited', energetic motion within the bell jar. there is still always a downwards pull.
pull/push is just a semantic difference. what pulls from one perspective pushes from another.
the force within the bell jar is like an attractive force on all sides: the aether 'vibrates' (again these words are not perfect descriptions: we are discussing space not a physical object. still, they suffice as an analogy), and the movement draws all sides in, in much the same way that gravity works: objects move as the space they exist in moves.

So where you have less aether you have less gravity?

Quote from: sokarul on June 02, 2015, 09:55:57 AM

I'll destroy your whole post later.

So now aether is a pulling force? I thought it was a pushing force. How can it push down to cause gravity but then pull down when less of it exists to keep the bell jar on? And why can't aether go through glass. A closed contain would have zero gravity inside.

aether is space. it doesn't itself exert a force, the force is only ever the interpretation of the objects that exist in space (for example, as space moves, objects are pulled with it). aether may go through glass, but physical objects dampen its movement as they impart resistance: hence losing the 'excited', energetic motion within the bell jar. there is still always a downwards pull.
pull/push is just a semantic difference. what pulls from one perspective pushes from another.
the force within the bell jar is like an attractive force on all sides: the aether 'vibrates' (again these words are not perfect descriptions: we are discussing space not a physical object. still, they suffice as an analogy), and the movement draws all sides in, in much the same way that gravity works: objects move as the space they exist in moves.

Yes we know I just crushed your argument.  Better luck next time. In the future I suggest you don't give one thing opposite characteristics.

Quote from: JRoweSkeptic on June 02, 2015, 10:11:00 AM

aether is space. it doesn't itself exert a force, the force is only ever the interpretation of the objects that exist in space (for example, as space moves, objects are pulled with it). aether may go through glass, but physical objects dampen its movement as they impart resistance: hence losing the 'excited', energetic motion within the bell jar. there is still always a downwards pull.
pull/push is just a semantic difference. what pulls from one perspective pushes from another.
the force within the bell jar is like an attractive force on all sides: the aether 'vibrates' (again these words are not perfect descriptions: we are discussing space not a physical object. still, they suffice as an analogy), and the movement draws all sides in, in much the same way that gravity works: objects move as the space they exist in moves.

So where you have less aether you have less gravity?

in a way: when you're higher up, or closer to the equator, the aether is marginally less concentrated, so the force it exerts is reduced (the force of the whirlpools above you is reduced: but the physical difference is minimal).
that isn't relevant however. there's the same amount of aether as ever in bell jars etc, it's just moving rapidly.

sokarul, if you are incapable of responding to my points, don't waste my time.

aether is space. it doesn't itself exert a force, the force is only ever the interpretation of the objects that exist in space (for example, as space moves, objects are pulled with it).

Then why did you say it did? Now how do objects stay on the earth? Space flows into the earth?  So the aethric whirlpools that you say is responsible for gravity variations now moves stuff in a circle?

 

aether may go through glass, but physical objects dampen its movement as they impart resistance: hence losing the 'excited', energetic motion within the bell jar. there is still always a downwards pull.

So how does space impart a pull force and a push force when the force comes from it flowing? How is space flowing int he bell jar? How does a vacuum pump pump out aether when it can go through objects? How does a bell jar keep it's "vacuum" when aether can go through the bell jar?

pull/push is just a semantic difference. what pulls from one perspective pushes from another.
the force within the bell jar is like an attractive force on all sides: the aether 'vibrates' (again these words are not perfect descriptions: we are discussing space not a physical object. still, they suffice as an analogy), and the movement draws all sides in, in much the same way that gravity works: objects move as the space they exist in moves.

Actually it's just pull forces don't exist like you claim. Once again, how does a vacuum pump, pump aether? It's easy to take the bell jar off the base when there is no vacuum, why is the force created from less aether stronger that more aether? Why is there no anti gravity areas since we can pump aether at will?

JRowe, propose an experiment that can be tested.
Give us your predictions from such an experiment
Lets us find someone that has done it or we can do it ourselves if simple enough.

Then why did you say it did?
because when we don't get into specifics this language makes it easier to understand what it is we're talking about. the aether does not exert a force, but it does cause what may feel like one. this was explained.

Now how do objects stay on the earth? Space flows into the earth?
space flows from high concentrations to low: there is a low concentration inside the earth, so space flows down to fill it. i ask you yet again to learn about the model.

  So the aethric whirlpools that you say is responsible for gravity variations now moves stuff in a circle?
the circular motion is higher up, when the currents of aether converge and meet at a point: that causes a whirlpool. the only such whirlpools accessible from the earth barely exert any 'force' due to their weakness. higher up, they are stronger, but any rotational force is negligible compared to the downwards. there is some effect on large scales however (the coriolis force).

How does a vacuum pump pump out aether when it can go through objects?
it doesn't. i never remotely said it could or did. are you even reading a word i'm saying? it 'excites' the aether simply due to constant motion. that rapid 'vibration' is all that's at play.

So how does space impart a pull force and a push force when the force comes from it flowing?
because of the matter it's acting on. space happily moves past matter, which dampens the vibrations, but the excitation within the jar remains constant: that movement clearly affects the inside of the physical matter of the jar.

JRowe, propose an experiment that can be tested.
Give us your predictions from such an experiment
the lack of air has been given multiple experiment, dual earth theory has recently had a thread for this topic, i don't feel like repeating myself just because sokarul will derail with more whining and lack of content.

Then why did you say it did?
because when we don't get into specifics this language makes it easier to understand what it is we're talking about. the aether does not exert a force, but it does cause what may feel like one. this was explained.

No, you changed your "theory". Every time you are destroyed you just change it.

Now how do objects stay on the earth? Space flows into the earth?
space flows from high concentrations to low: there is a low concentration inside the earth, so space flows down to fill it. i ask you yet again to learn about the model.

But I thought the low concentration was at the equator, now you say it's inside the earth. Which is it? And how does inside the earth stay low concentration when aether flow into it from all sides? 

  So the aethric whirlpools that you say is responsible for gravity variations now moves stuff in a circle?
the circular motion is higher up, when the currents of aether converge and meet at a point: that causes a whirlpool. the only such whirlpools accessible from the earth barely exert any 'force' due to their weakness. higher up, they are stronger, but any rotational force is negligible compared to the downwards. there is some effect on large scales however (the coriolis force).

Sure thing.

How does a vacuum pump pump out aether when it can go through objects?
it doesn't. i never remotely said it could or did. are you even reading a word i'm saying? it 'excites' the aether simply due to constant motion. that rapid 'vibration' is all that's at play.

Yes I am reading what you are saying. You keep contradicting yourself. That wouldn't explain how a bell jar get's a "vacuum" inside. Also many things would be able to "excite" the aether and create the "vacuum force". I don't think you thought your cunning plan all the way through.
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i]So how does space impart a pull force and a push force when the force comes from it flowing?[/i]
because of the matter it's acting on. space happily moves past matter, which dampens the vibrations, but the excitation within the jar remains constant: that movement clearly affects the inside of the physical matter of the jar.

Except that goes against what you claim.

JRowe, propose an experiment that can be tested.
Give us your predictions from such an experiment
the lack of air has been given multiple experiment, dual earth theory has recently had a thread for this topic, i don't feel like repeating myself just because sokarul will derail with more whining and lack of content.

Do you even know what an experiment is? You have shown nothing other then now you are stuck and have to keep contradicting yourself.