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do you belive FE

yes
4 (25%)
no
12 (75%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: November 15, 2006, 09:21:00 PM

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« on: November 15, 2006, 09:21:00 PM »
1. the sun

2. nearspace projects

3. commercial space travel

4. shortwave radio

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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2006, 09:22:26 PM »
oh...

5. skynet/wildblue (satilite internet)

6. PS3

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beast

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2006, 09:23:25 PM »
Please Explain:

1.  How did you manage to spell "Earth" incorrectly in your username?

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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2006, 09:24:29 PM »
i meant to do that... its one of those conspiracy things

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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2006, 09:25:09 PM »
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
oh...

5. skynet/wildblue (satilite internet)

6. PS3


PS3?
o know, is to know you know nothing; That is the meaning of true knowledge.

By three methods may we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; And third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2006, 09:25:39 PM »
you want to know whats behind that conspiricy? that is the real name of earth

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2006, 09:29:09 PM »
ok, really now... earh is a type O' and ps3 was just a joke... but really, i wanna know what you have to say about those things

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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2006, 09:29:49 PM »
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
1. the sun

2. nearspace projects

3. commercial space travel

4. shortwave radio


Oh, and I'll just quote them for you before they ever get here.

"Propaganda."

I wouldn't even waste your time on them...
o know, is to know you know nothing; That is the meaning of true knowledge.

By three methods may we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; And third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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ncn_hitman

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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2006, 09:34:54 PM »
why dont you crack heads just go around the fucking earth and see for yourself that its a fucking sphere what do you live in the 15th century to beilive that the world is flat? what are you gonna start burning witches soon. in this day and age people should not be as ignorant as you fse people it makes me ashed that people could be so stupid. think clearly why the hell would the governments do this. you have to go see a psychatrist and take some prozac or something you are too paranoid.
crack heads.

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2006, 09:36:18 PM »
Quote from: "ncn_hitman"
why dont you crack heads just go around the fucking earth and see for yourself that its a fucking sphere what do you live in the 15th century to beilive that the world is flat? what are you gonna start burning witches soon. in this day and age people should not be as ignorant as you fse people it makes me ashed that people could be so stupid. think clearly why the hell would the governments do this. you have to go see a psychatrist and take some prozac or something you are too paranoid.
crack heads.


Apparently, you die if you try such a thing. I'd call BS, but I think the notion kind of disproves itself without me.
o know, is to know you know nothing; That is the meaning of true knowledge.

By three methods may we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; And third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2006, 09:40:25 PM »
well, so far the poll is 4-1, so... i am thinking i will keep my belifs of 16 years... but hey maby they can come up with something that actually makes sense to someone who is sober... i am guessing you would have to be high on both crack and pot, plus be drunk with beer to understand this stuff

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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2006, 09:51:28 PM »
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, so far the poll is 4-1, so... i am thinking i will keep my belifs of 16 years... but hey maby they can come up with something that actually makes sense to someone who is sober... i am guessing you would have to be high on both crack and pot, plus be drunk with beer to understand this stuff


I fail to understand how the poll results can have anything to do with the shape of the world.  Given what you currently know, if a poll was run tomorrow that showed that every single person in the world apart from you believed that butterflies are actually the most intelligent life form on the planet, would that make you believe it too?

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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2006, 09:52:42 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, so far the poll is 4-1, so... i am thinking i will keep my belifs of 16 years... but hey maby they can come up with something that actually makes sense to someone who is sober... i am guessing you would have to be high on both crack and pot, plus be drunk with beer to understand this stuff


I fail to understand how the poll results can have anything to do with the shape of the world.  Given what you currently know, if a poll was run tomorrow that showed that every single person in the world apart from you believed that butterflies are actually the most intelligent life form on the planet, would that make you believe it too?


Ingsoc...
o know, is to know you know nothing; That is the meaning of true knowledge.

By three methods may we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; And third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2006, 09:53:57 PM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, so far the poll is 4-1, so... i am thinking i will keep my belifs of 16 years... but hey maby they can come up with something that actually makes sense to someone who is sober... i am guessing you would have to be high on both crack and pot, plus be drunk with beer to understand this stuff


I fail to understand how the poll results can have anything to do with the shape of the world.  Given what you currently know, if a poll was run tomorrow that showed that every single person in the world apart from you believed that butterflies are actually the most intelligent life form on the planet, would that make you believe it too?


yes

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ncn_hitman

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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2006, 09:54:32 PM »
they certainly are smarter than you beast

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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2006, 09:56:35 PM »
well, the majority would not say that unless there was proof

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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2006, 09:57:41 PM »
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, the majority would not say that unless there was proof


Like, say, the Earth-centered Universe?

Sorry, pal, but a majority belief doesn't mean much. It doesn't make things true.
o know, is to know you know nothing; That is the meaning of true knowledge.

By three methods may we learn wisdom: First, by reflection, which is noblest; Second, by imitation, which is easiest; And third by experience, which is the bitterest.

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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2006, 10:00:36 PM »
ok, well, i am still waiting on a reply about the topic from an insider...

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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2006, 10:20:11 PM »
I'm sorry, I'm a little confused about the last few posts.

Quote from: "The Dragon Reborn"
Ingsoc...


The only thing I can guess this relates to is the newspeak in George Orwell's 1984 of Ingsoc which means "English Socialism" - which has a few meanings and I guess in this context you're talking about the idea that what everybody believes is the truth.  While that is certainly a theory put forward, I reject it.  I think there is both a relative truth and an intrinsic truth.  If everybody thinks something is the case then I'd call that relatively true, but equally I think science has shown us that everybody can think something that turns out to be false.  For a long time everybody believed Newtonian physics, and indeed still do (and they are still useful) but not completely true.  I think science is a quest for the intrinsic truths of the world and I think those truths don't change based on human perception - just our perception of them can change.

Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
yes


So I assume you're saying that if everybody else believed something, and you had no reason to believe the same thing apart from the knowledge that everybody else believed it, you would automatically believe it as well - this is certainly the situation I postulated and you agreed with.  I see this kind of blind faith that everybody is right as very dangerous and foolish.  There are a number of times where the vast majority of the world has strongly believed a particular view and one or two people have stood up and disagreed and then time has shown that the minority is correct.  While a majority believing something is clearly an indication that that view is more likely to be correct, simply accepting that to be the case without understanding why it is means you learn nothing and you could indeed be wrong.  To give an example - DDT - people were so confident that it was safe that they were happy to spray it everywhere without any fear at all.  It wasn't until Rachel Carson proved that this completely accepted view was wrong and that it in fact caused cancer that humans stopped spraying it on themselves.  This is a clear example of the 99% majority being wrong on an issue - and a very serious issue too.  

To bring it to a more relevant issue; How many people accept that the Earth is round without question and how many people can put forward a logical and reasoned argument (you could call it a proof) that the Earth is round?  From my experience on this forum, and other members can attest to this, very few people are capable of putting forward strong scientifically reasoned arguments within the context of the FE postulate that contradict it and show that the Earth is round.  Blindly believing something because other people say it is true is meaningless.  Believing something because you understand why it is the case is very powerful.

Quote from: "ncn_hitman"
they certainly are smarter than you


I was unsure who you were directing this comment to.  I suspect it was me but I don't know.  Are you inferring that what shape you believe the Earth to be has a direct relationship with intelligence?  Do you have any evidence to back that up with?  Under the same logic can we assume that everybody who incorrectly believes something has a lower intelligence?  While studies definitely show that there is a direct link between religious belief and intelligence (the more intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to be religious), there are definitely plenty of examples of very intelligent people who are also religious.  Former Archbishop Spong is a great example of both an intelligent person and a religious person.  CS Lewis would be another good example.  People who believe that the Earth is round may indeed be smarter than me, but I really doubt you can say that they are "certainly" say that they are.

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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2006, 10:24:50 PM »
well, from that post i know you wont understand this, but that tells me alot about you...

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2006, 10:26:16 PM »
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, from that post i know you wont understand this, but that tells me alot about you...


Thanks for sharing.

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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2006, 10:33:25 PM »
you are welcome... oh, and i now know that you went to collage...

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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2006, 10:36:10 PM »
awww man... how could you go and ruin tazmainia... i have always wanted to go there...

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« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2006, 10:40:51 PM »
My views in no way represent the views of Tasmanian's and indeed I have never claimed to speak for them.  I have travelled around parts of Asia and have Australia and have lived outside of Tasmania for periods of time before moving back here.  I think it's the most relaxed and friendly place in the world (although there is a lot of the world I am yet to visit - so that's not saying much).  I think you would be exceedingly foolish to not visit a place because of the opinions of one person.

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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2006, 04:24:23 AM »
Quote from: "beast"
Quote from: "The_Earh_is_round"
well, so far the poll is 4-1, so... i am thinking i will keep my belifs of 16 years... but hey maby they can come up with something that actually makes sense to someone who is sober... i am guessing you would have to be high on both crack and pot, plus be drunk with beer to understand this stuff


I fail to understand how the poll results can have anything to do with the shape of the world.  Given what you currently know, if a poll was run tomorrow that showed that every single person in the world apart from you believed that butterflies are actually the most intelligent life form on the planet, would that make you believe it too?


Yes, because "everyone" would also mean scientists, who we can safely assume that they have done extensive research on the subject.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2006, 05:50:31 AM »
well i know australia exist and is the darkest most wicked pit on earth and i know mars exist because it is red and all red exist it may be because my mother had very very red nipples and not that brownish as many people usually have and my father was a native american from norway.

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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2006, 06:15:43 AM »
Quote from: "The Dragon Reborn"
Sorry, pal, but a majority belief doesn't mean much. It doesn't make things true.


Consider this:  there's a room in which two groups of people are in.  The groups are to simply stand on opposing corners (the room is somewhat large to accomdate say 10 people standing in the corners).  One group(A), due to the lightning, see's what seems to be a small rock in the middle of the room while the other group(B) cannot see it, again due to the lighting.

One person in group A suddenly says, "What is a rock doing in the middle of the room?"  The people in group B are obviously taken aback and reply that there is no such rock.  Who is right?  Note:  I have not given the objective truth.  The rock could either be an illusion due to the textures on the ground and the lighting, or there could be a rock.

Let's say 8 people from group B go to group A.  Now there are 18 people in group A and 2 in group B.  Obviously the people in group A continue to say that there is infact a rock in the center of the room.  Now, due to the majority now in place, the people in group B are officially crazy.  It doesn't matter if there is a rock there or not, what matters is that group A, being the majority in this society has created the intelligibility.  When people in group B fail to see what the people in group A do, they are officially deviants or mentally insane.  The rock, for all intensive purposes, exists.  Whether it exists objectively or not is immaterial:  the rock exists subjectively.

Perhaps you spoke a bit too bluntly about reality.
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