Sun's lifetime if the earth were flat

Observation.  We can see the fire coming out of it.

Observation.  We can see the fire coming out of it.

Observation.  We can see the fire coming out of it.

It likely has it's own source of oxygen, like the Earth has.

It likely has it's own source of oxygen, like the Earth has.

RE scientists tell us that light from the core of the sun takes a million years to reach the surface.  Don't you think that in all of those years of traveling through a dense material with nuclear reactions happening all around, that the frequency may have been affected?  Clear your mind and think for yourself.

RE scientists tell us that light from the core of the sun takes a million years to reach the surface.  Don't you think that in all of those years of traveling through a dense material with nuclear reactions happening all around, that the frequency may have been affected?  Clear your mind and think for yourself.

You obviously don't know the first thing about nuclear physics then, let alone spectroscopy and all the information it can give...

After admitting this, I don't even know why you even commented in the first place? You admit you have no idea what's happening, yet you object to my calculations, the calculations of somebody that does know what's happening...

Very weird, this FE mentality 


For the people wondering how you can figure out the angular diameter of the sun, get a disk with the diameter of 0.875 m and put it 100 meters away. When you look at it from 100 meters it will look approximately as big as the sun (if you look at it when it's midday). The disk with 0.875m diameter at 100m distance has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees, same as the sun.

Actually, if you would have done a search before you posted this...
Once upon a time when I was an arrogant RE enthusiast and thought I had all the answers, I made this same thread (basically).
One does not need to be a nuclear physicist to carry out simple division and multiplication problems.
I'll say again and maybe you'll listen this time, I don't think equations to figure this sort of stuff out are that simple OR that linear.
Really, keep saying that, even after I've given the source... Here, I'll give it again: http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=389
I'll also say one more time that if the Sun is NOT a burning ball of fusion, NONE of your original post is useful AT ALL.
Sorry but, nobody gives a shit what you blindly claim, until you can prove it. The sun has been PROVEN to be a huge fusion reactor. Spectroscopy and thermal imaging DOES show that, and as of recently, neutrinos are the nail int he coffin for any doubt.
And one more time: You are assuming a RE. If you think you aren't, reread your own post. Particularly that first sentence.
Sure:
"The round earth people (normal people) are claiming the sun to be 1.496 * 10^8 km away from the earth. (149.600.000 km)." Did I assume it to be round? Nope, I'm saying that the RE people, the normal people, the ones opposed to the stone age belief of a flat earth, have concluded the said distance. Maybe you need comprehension lessons?
After that first sentence, your credence when it comes to "debunking the FE Sun" is lost.
I don't really care what somebody who didn't even understand the sentence thinks about it...
Has it even crossed your mind, even after I told you more than a few times, that the Sun isn't exactly as it seems?
You keep saying that, but you haven't proposed an alternate model, NONE of you have. You haven't gathered any data from any experiment to falsify the well known theories about it.
Furthermore, spectroscopy tells us all those things, yes, but spectroscopy does NOT tell us for 100% certain that the Sun is a fusion reactor. We ASSUME (make an educated guess) from the things we CAN see.
You're wrong. You even contradicted yourself... Spectroscopy gives us SO MUCH DATA you can figure out a lot of things from it, like the reactions that fuel the sun: the FUSION reaction of hydrogen. How do we know this? Well there are those x-rays and gamma radiation that comes along when hydrogen fuses. The fusion of hydrogen was accomplished on earth too (if you didn't know) and what do you guess? We got x-rays and gamma radiation. We also got neutrinos, from the SUN and from our experiments too.
In conclusion, I'll also try to tell you one more time that neither of us has been to the Sun to see what goes on.
You don't need to have been there to know that. This is a typical answer for young earth creationists "Were you there?". I didn't know you stooped THAT low...

Congratulations! you actually do UNDERSTAND how something really works! Because this IS sort of how it works.

See, when fusion occurs, there's ENERGY, but that energy keeps bouncing off of stuff, and it cools down just a bit as it works its way out of the core, through the radiative zone. But it's not free yet, it still needs to work its way through the convection zone, which works just like an oven, hot energy rises, cooler falls back in, heats back up again a bit, before it can break through and escape as various wavelength of EM.

Yes they do. They are mostly X-rays and gamma radiation, and most of all, neutrinos.

I am asking you of your version on the sun. Do you how fusion works?

Quote from: Starman on April 17, 2014, 05:26:13 AM

Congratulations! you actually do UNDERSTAND how something really works! Because this IS sort of how it works.

See, when fusion occurs, there's ENERGY, but that energy keeps bouncing off of stuff, and it cools down just a bit as it works its way out of the core, through the radiative zone. But it's not free yet, it still needs to work its way through the convection zone, which works just like an oven, hot energy rises, cooler falls back in, heats back up again a bit, before it can break through and escape as various wavelength of EM.

I never claimed that this is the way it works, I said it is the way that RE scientists say it happens and then asked a question, which you did  not answer.

Quote from: Donk3y on April 17, 2014, 05:32:00 AM

Yes they do. They are mostly X-rays and gamma radiation, and most of all, neutrinos.

Yes, If it happens the way scientists claim it does.

Quote from: Starman on April 17, 2014, 05:26:13 AM

I am asking you of your version on the sun. Do you how fusion works?

I already told how I believe it is likely working.  Don't plug your ears and pretend I have not told you at least 3 times in the last couple of days.

Quote from: Donk3y on April 17, 2014, 05:32:00 AM

Yes they do. They are mostly X-rays and gamma radiation, and most of all, neutrinos.

Yes, If it happens the way scientists claim it does.

How do you explain the fact that the Sun in the early formation years should have only had about 70% of it current output, yet evidence points to a fairly constant temperature of the earth in the same time period? Furthermore, it's suggested that Mars was warmer in the past and supported liquid water.