I need answers

You see images all the time of the Earth being round, you're told by the government, you're told in school. The horizon is apparently proof but I want the real truth. I want all the arguments, all the answers: everything.

You see images all the time of the Earth being round, you're told by the government, you're told in school. The horizon is apparently proof but I want the real truth. I want all the arguments, all the answers: everything.

Can you be more specific? You're not going to get "everything" from either side in one post from anyone.

You hear all this so called evidence from round earthists(?) but  I don't buy it. I've heard about research that flat earthers conduct and was hoping I could get some of the most compelling arguments and evidence that have been discovered.

You hear all this so called evidence from round earthists(?) but  I don't buy it. I've heard about research that flat earthers conduct and was hoping I could get some of the most compelling arguments and evidence that have been discovered.

The most compelling evidence is that it looks flat. Simply that. Have you ever seen it be not flat?

Quote from: LookingForTruth on March 03, 2018, 01:27:26 PM

You hear all this so called evidence from round earthists(?) but  I don't buy it. I've heard about research that flat earthers conduct and was hoping I could get some of the most compelling arguments and evidence that have been discovered.

The most compelling evidence is that it looks flat. Simply that. Have you ever seen it be not flat?

Not when I see the path of the sun.

You hear all this so called evidence from round earthists(?) but  I don't buy it. I've heard about research that flat earthers conduct and was hoping I could get some of the most compelling arguments and evidence that have been discovered.

As stated above, the only "evidence" is that it looks flat.  That's pretty much it.

But when you see what is supposedly the curvature of the earth from a plane or a ship's mast before the rest of it, tell me how it's wrong. I want to believe

But when you see what is supposedly the curvature of the earth from a plane or a ship's mast before the rest of it, tell me how it's wrong. I want to believe

Not sure I understand the question.  Those things are evidence of a round earth.  Just like the hard edge of the horizon when looking over a calm ocean.

You see images all the time of the Earth being round, you're told by the government, you're told in school. The horizon is apparently proof but I want the real truth. I want all the arguments, all the answers: everything.

Nobody will be able to give you everything.
Knowldege of the shape and place/role of the Earth was developed during last at least 2500 years,
as soon as ancient civilisations spread their travel, trade and land measure.

Maybe you could think of this:

Distance from pole to equator is 10 000 km, circumference of equator is 40 070 km.
If C = 2 * Pi * R, then why circumference of the equator is not 62 832 km?

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Meridian from pole to equator was first precisely measured in 18th century (and more later), when they defined meter as 10 millionth part of the distance from equator to pole.
They measured meridian through Dunkirk and Barcelona and determined the length of meter.
That is how we know that Distance from pole to equator is 10 000 km.

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If you look at Flat Earth map (most common is Gleason's map or variation) and on globe, you will see that they have some things in common.
Longitudes match, latitudes match, distances along any single meridian match.

So, we can ignore shape of the Earth and use data independent from it:
Longitudes and latitudes as equal in both models.
Public records for ground distances (from neither model), already officially measured and verified through public use for military, commercial / industrial, roads, power and communication lines, governmental records on land and resources, or even timing and fuel consumption in transportation.

I already wrote before how we know the equatorial circumference:

"Find Jilib in Somalia, Kampala in Uganda, Mbandaka in Congo, and Libreville in Gabon.

Jilib: longitude - 42.78 degrees east
Kampala: longitude - 32.57 degrees east, distance from Jilib - 1136.5 km
Mbandaka: longitude - 18.29 degrees east, distance from Kampala - 1590 km
Libreville: longitude - 9.47 degrees east, distance from Mbandaka - 981.3 km

From Jilib to Libreville is 3708 km and 33.31 degrees of longitude.
It makes speed of solar noon to be 3708 / 33.31 * 15 = 1669.768 km/h.
That speed multiplied by 24 h gives circumference of Equator to be 40074.45 km

Ofcourse there is error.
Every measurement has errors.
But how big is our error?
Checking Equator circumference at shorter distances inbetween gives
Between Jilib and Kampala we calculate 1669.686 km/h, which gives 40072.48 km.
Between Kampala and Mbandaka we get 1670.168 km/h, giving 40084.03 km.
Between Mbandaka and Libreville we get 1668.877 km/h, which gives 40053.06 km.

All values are very close to each other. Our error is below 0.05% (below 500 ppm - parts per million).

Ok, we have that Circumference of equator is 40 070 km."

But when you see what is supposedly the curvature of the earth from a plane or a ship's mast before the rest of it, tell me how it's wrong. I want to believe

You seem to be aware of some internal feeling that others have missed. What exactly do you mean when you say you want to believe? This topic interests me greatly, as the reason I'm here is because a close friend has "decided" that he "wants to believe" also. This is exactly the reason why no flat earther can ever be convinced of otherwise based on science and reasoning, because they have already made a decision based on feelings. Tell me more?

You see images all the time of the Earth being round, you're told by the government, you're told in school. The horizon is apparently proof but I want the real truth. I want all the arguments, all the answers: everything.

Read all the posts in all the topics in all the forums.

You hear all this so called evidence from round earthists(?) but  I don't buy it. I've heard about research that flat earthers conduct and was hoping I could get some of the most compelling arguments and evidence that have been discovered.

Flat earth doesn't "discover" evidence, Flat Earth DISCARDS evidence.

There isn't any evidence presented by FE that doesn't also support a round Earth.

There are now two great examples of flat Earth and NASA conspiracy on the first page:
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74558.0
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=74545.0

By reading thru those, you will get a good picture of how FE and conspiracy theorists attack. And you will see that when confronted with excellent proof that what they claim is wrong or false, they will not acknowledge it, but derail and/or just plain disregard.

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about. 

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

And this here is another prime example of FE and conspiracy theorist at their finest.

Quote from: jroa on March 04, 2018, 07:22:57 AM

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

And this here is another prime example of FE and conspiracy theorist at their finest.

That sounds exactly like what a shill would say. 

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

By being on a Globe Earth, running around proclaiming that the Earth is flat, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about. 

Quote from: rvlvr on March 04, 2018, 07:28:09 AM

Quote from: jroa on March 04, 2018, 07:22:57 AM

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

And this here is another prime example of FE and conspiracy theorist at their finest.

That sounds exactly like what a shill would say.

That sounds like what an FE would say. LOL.

Quote from: jroa on March 04, 2018, 07:22:57 AM

By being on a flat Earth society forum, running around proclaiming that the Earth is round, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

By being on a Globe Earth, running around proclaiming that the Earth is flat, you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

By being on a flatearth forum, running around proclaiming that Earth is fruit shaped , you are a little shittard that nobody gives a shit about.

Sorry little green testosteron bomb, but you are my most beloved form of humor before the upcoming week of hard work.....take care for the Mcrooster !!

I'm not quite sure why round Earth believers can not budge from their position even though we inundate them with our FE evidence? 

To the OP, we are trying to get final map version, have a plethora of FET provided and are determining ice wall ramification, etc.  Yes, we see an ice wall on the map provided here.

There are many FEers having been forced into the RE shoes only to really, really observe and study all that is available regarding Earth shape controversy and to put on FE shoes in the end.  That is not to display how much smarter we are, but to display our ability to see past obvious manipulation and discern between fact and fantasy.       

I'm not quite sure why round Earth believers can not budge from their position even though we inundate them with our FE evidence? 

To the OP, we are trying to get final map version, have a plethora of FET provided and are determining ice wall ramification, etc.  Yes, we see an ice wall on the map provided here.

There are many FEers having been forced into the RE shoes only to really, really observe and study all that is available regarding Earth shape controversy and to put on FE shoes in the end.  That is not to display how much smarter we are, but to display our ability to see past obvious manipulation and discern between fact and fantasy.     

Because no evidence is ever presented that doesn't also work on a round earth.  Also it requires a belief in a massive conspiracy, which, at best, seems incredibly unlikely and paranoid at worst.

I'm not quite sure why round Earth believers can not budge from their position even though we inundate them with our FE evidence? 

That's simply answered. Those that know the earth is a Globe Earth "can not budge from their position" because they have eyes and can see.
They don't hide in caves reading old books, though some old books are useful. And just where is all "your FE evidence" that you inundate them with?

When we ask for answers they are not provided! Your chief de-railer, jroa, does his best to divert the question and totallackey just curses everybody and presents garbage.

Here are a couple of very simple observations that debunk any FE model presented so far:

• I live the Southern hemisphere and in mid summer I look at the sun rise from behind the horizon well south of east, arc up to just a little north of directly overhead then back down to set well south of west.
  Then at an equinox, coming soon on March 20 for you, the real sun rises almost due east for everywhere except close to either pole (both have 24 hour sun).
  The sun then arcs up till at solar noon its elevation is 90° less the local latitude, so for me here, at 27°S the sun's zenith is 27° north of vertical.
  Anyone anywhere on earth can readily check this out and prove that any flat earth model with the sun circling above cannot possibly be correct.
  
  All of the many FE models, except Sandokhan's, have the sun circling a relatively small distance above the flat earth. There is no way these FE model can explain the observed positions of the sun in the sky.
• Then, it is easily observed that both the sun and moon do not change in angular size from the time they rise to the time they set.
  Here are a couple of videos from a keen Flat Earther verifying that:
              Flat Earth - The Size Of The Sun, Matrix Decode and Flat Earth - The Size Of The Moon, Matrix Decode.
  
  Now the angular size of a distant object is simply its size divided by the distance to the object.
  So if the angular size appears to be unchanged then there must be very relatively little change in the distance to the object.
  But we know that on both the Globe and the flat earth models the distance to the sun and moon do change by thousands of kilometres, the radius of the earth for the Globe and much more for the known FE models.
  
  Hence both the sun and moon must be many times this thousands of kilometres away.
  Even the ancient Greeks recognised this, as Eratosthenes knew than sun's rays arrived from the same direction at all places on earth.
  Even the old astronomers from Ptolemy to Johannes de Sacrobosco, with his work On the Sphere of the World in 1230 knew this and explicitly wrote about it the moon, sun and stars being a very great distance from earth.
  
  Yet modern Flat earthers come up with a model that simply does not fit this simply observed fact!
  

To the OP, we are trying to get final map version, have a plethora of FET provided and are determining ice wall ramification, etc.  Yes, we see an ice wall on the map provided here.

You say now, "we are trying to get final map version" but back here you claimed you had these maps all tied up!

. . . . . . . .  We have maps on our side of the truth divide when it comes to fact checking Earth shape.

Flat maps and their believers/followers have been around for much longer than the globe and round Earth believer crowd. I recommend skeptics of flat maps to do a study on map history.

Flat maps are being used in navigation by sea, ground and air made by cartographers so we can put that deflection to rest.  Oh, it is FE pilots that stand by these claims. 

Why have you changed your story?
Of course you deceptively say, "Flat maps are being used in navigation by sea, ground and air". So sure, "Flat maps" but not flat earth maps!
So that is certainly not the same as saying, "Flat earth maps are being used in navigation by sea, ground and air".

So, now we know that the flat earth has no accurate map of the flat earth.

There are many FEers having been forced into the RE shoes only to really, really observe and study all that is available regarding Earth shape controversy and to put on FE shoes in the end.

What do you even mean by that?

That is not to display how much smarter we are, but to display our ability to see past obvious manipulation and discern between fact and fantasy.     

So your flat earth cannot explain such simple things as the sun's motion and constancy in angular size,  has no accurate map
yet the Globe earth has not the slightest problem explaining these nor even the horizon seeming perfectly flat and rising almost to eye-level.

In spite of all this you accuse us of being unable to "discern between fact and fantasy"! Take off those flattening glasses.
I'm afraid that you and all other flat earthers are living in a little dream-world of your own, where you conveniently ignore all contrary evidence.

You do know that the Earth has not fully been mapped, right?

Mapping is a work-in-process and FE does have current flat maps being used in navigation and other mapping activities we hope will provide further answers to Earth shape. 

The problem with round Earth believers is you think all mapping has been completed.  Take another look and you are bound to agree with us.     

The Earth has certainly been mapped well enough to eliminate any question as to it's shape.

Even the geographical features of the sea floor have been mapped quite accurately.

You do know that the Earth has not fully been mapped, right?

Undoubtedly, but the location of and distances between virtually all major locations is known to quite high accuracy.
I can show numerous distances that do not fit any flat earth map, yet you keep claiming that you have the maps.

Mapping is a work-in-process and FE does have current flat maps being used in navigation and other mapping activities we hope will provide further answers to Earth shape. 

Well,  please present these "current flat earth maps being used in navigation and other mapping activities we hope will provide further answers to Earth shape.  "

The problem with round Earth believers is you think all mapping has been completed.  Take another look and you are bound to agree with us.   

Don't try putting words into my mouth!

From all I have seen accepted maps of the earth that have been around for centuries and have not changed in basic layout and they  prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the earth cannot be flat.

If you disagree, don't just come up with meaningless words, show us the flat earth maps that fit the known distances.
Please note, these "flat maps" you keep talking about mean nothing! Unless you class a Globe as a map, all maps of the Globe are flat!
They are all projections of the Globe.

If the earth were flat, no projections would be needed. A flat map would be simply a small scale representation of the flat earth.

It would be nice to see the flat Earth map gotham refers to. Brotherhood of the dome created one, but that relies on missing flights or some such. Gotham's will have the ice wall, I believe. So it will not be the bi-polar version.

I'm not quite sure why round Earth believers can not budge from their position even though we inundate them with our FE evidence? 

To the OP, we are trying to get final map version, have a plethora of FET provided and are determining ice wall ramification, etc.  Yes, we see an ice wall on the map provided here.

There are many FEers having been forced into the RE shoes only to really, really observe and study all that is available regarding Earth shape controversy and to put on FE shoes in the end.  That is not to display how much smarter we are, but to display our ability to see past obvious manipulation and discern between fact and fantasy.     

The Galileo Trial was about Geocentric vs Heliocentric system. (I see you have the Internet. Dare you to read about Galileo's Trial.)
Biblical cosmology is (was) Geocentric system, not Flat model.
Copernican Heliocentric system wasn't replacing Flat model, it was replacing Geocentric system.
Flat model was replaced by Geocentric system 2500 years ago.

Flat Earth evidence is just wishful thinking.