Are FE's engaging in any research?

Why don't you look at the video with a critical eye and find out, instead of just believing it.

You will find whatever you want if you have an ideology and look hard enough.

If you document your experiment and verify it's you and it looks like the videos I've been shown, I'll never question anything again, I promise you.

I need full documentation of it all from seeing the balloon inflated and everything else , meaning the camera, the holding casing, etc.
I want to see the full footage from start to finish, even if it becomes tedious. I do not want to see any edits.
I would also like you to put a sticker where it can be seen that says eat your heart out flat earthers or something like that.

Fair enough?

You questioning things isn't the issue, at least not for me.  You're not even questioning things, you're just dismissing them.  It would be much more productive if you could conduct the experiment yourself.  This is obvious.  That way, only YOU can tamper with it, only YOU could fake it.  If this guy posts the video you request, true to your word you might never question him again - but that's not to say you will accept what the camera is showing you is genuine and that the earth is spherical.

Why don't you create another thread and see who else will chip in and work with you to do this experiment?  Isn't this what this society is about?  Come on - you's want some credibility yeah?  Then obtain something.

We all know what you'll find if you do this experiment, refusal to somehow collaborate and do it just seems like you fear the result.  If I honestly believed the earth was flat, I'd be genuinely excited to send my own camera and balloon up so I can show the world that it is flat (if this is what my camera revealed).  Why aren't you guys?

Fair enough?

Full video duration would then be 1-2 hours. Sure, it can be done and posted to YouTube even like that. I'm just telling you - it'll be a long video. If I end up doing it, I will upload an uncut full length video if possible.

You mean like the little lids talking train?
Stuff like this can be rigged up for peanuts as a fake and you well know it.
The video, as I said, starts off innocent enough, then it all changes as soon as it gets to a certain height...low height I might add.
Then all the crap comes in, which is probably where the innocent kids experiment ends and the added garbage commences.
Every balloon pop ends with the balloon turning into spaghetti, or do they add spaghetti into the balloon beforehand?
The fact that you can hear the pop of the balloon tells you that it's in no near vacuum.
Come on man, use your common sense.

Can you post when this break occurs? If anything, such a break would have been where a portion of the travel time was removed for time's sake. Also I'm quite perplexed by your spaghetti comment -- where in the video do you see anything that remotely looks like spaghetti? You also do realize that the balloon is not in a vacuum, hence an atmosphere still exists around it. The device also is able to pickup sound simply from the vibrations it receives from being twirled around, which is mostly what I heard. If you were out "floating" in space, for example, you would still hear the vibrations that your own body created (such as your heart beat, or anything that moved really.)

You did not answer any of my questions regarding how the video was produced IF it was faked, who provided the resources to create such a realistic looking video, and how it traded places with the experimenter's footage. I also have a question that probably needs to be asked at this time: If the Earth is an oblate spheroid as it commonly taught, what would YOU expect to see in a video? What is explicitly incorrect about the video? If you don't have any clear indication as to what is wrong with it, other that it "looks fake to me" (even though you have no reason to believe that, especially since you have no expertise in the field of astronomy, physics, photography, or video editing), then don't cry fake. Use your common sense -- if there is no plausible explanation for how such a video was produced, then it makes sense that it is real; why would a school go through the impossible trouble of creating a video when it costs astronomically less to do it for real?

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 27, 2013, 06:39:31 AM

Fair enough?

Full video duration would then be 1-2 hours. Sure, it can be done and posted to YouTube even like that. I'm just telling you - it'll be a long video. If I end up doing it, I will upload an uncut full length video if possible.

Look what I found, scepti 

It doesn't show the balloon inflating, but I assume it's not superman carrying it. I haven't watched the whole thing but I assume it's all uncut.

As you can see, there's quite a few problems with such a video, like the camera often being out of focus from dirt on the lens. This is mainly why these videos are usually edited - on one part not to make it boring, and on part to include all the best bits and take out the bad footage from problems like that.

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Balloncam 1 [Uncut]

EDIT: This doesn't mean I won't post my footage if I end up doing my own launch, I just happened to find this video.

Quote from: Rabhimself on May 27, 2013, 06:47:31 AM

Quote from: sceptimatic on May 27, 2013, 06:39:31 AM

If you document your experiment and verify it's you and it looks like the videos I've been shown, I'll never question anything again, I promise you.

I need full documentation of it all from seeing the balloon inflated and everything else , meaning the camera, the holding casing, etc.
I want to see the full footage from start to finish, even if it becomes tedious. I do not want to see any edits.
I would also like you to put a sticker where it can be seen that says eat your heart out flat earthers or something like that.

Fair enough?

You questioning things isn't the issue, at least not for me.  You're not even questioning things, you're just dismissing them.  It would be much more productive if you could conduct the experiment yourself.  This is obvious.  That way, only YOU can tamper with it, only YOU could fake it.  If this guy posts the video you request, true to your word you might never question him again - but that's not to say you will accept what the camera is showing you is genuine and that the earth is spherical.

Why don't you create another thread and see who else will chip in and work with you to do this experiment?  Isn't this what this society is about?  Come on - you's want some credibility yeah?  Then obtain something.

We all know what you'll find if you do this experiment, refusal to somehow collaborate and do it just seems like you fear the result.  If I honestly believed the earth was flat, I'd be genuinely excited to send my own camera and balloon up so I can show the world that it is flat (if this is what my camera revealed).  Why aren't you guys?

Why don'y you verify it all for yourself instead of blindly accepting what you see in other videos. It's the same thing isn't it.

I don't blindly accept it, I've seen the evidence for the earth being spherical and I completely accept said evidence.  Evidence including (but not limited to) the videos posted by people doing the camera/balloon experiment.  I accept these videos as REAL.

You, however, claim them to be FAKE.  Therefore the obvious solution is for you to prove how fake they really are and send your own balloon up with a camera.  If I, or any other RE'r here were to post up a video of us doing exactly that you'd simply dismiss it as a fake, just like you do with EVERY other video to do with something observing earth from extreme altitude.

There is no point in us conducting the experiment.  YOU, on the other hand, stand to gain a great deal either way.  YOU CANNOT LOSE.  Either you will prove yourself correct and you can show the world that we've been getting conned by everyone all the way from giant organizations such as NASA, right down to primary school children and their teachers conducting the very same experiment.  Or - you will see for yourself that these fvideos are NOT fabricated and that the earth is indeed spherical.

Either way you stand to gain extreme knowledge on a subject you are very passionate about.  Like I said, if I were you I'd be genuinely excited about doing it.  How can you not want to do it?  Seriously - the truth is up there, send a damn balloon and camera and see for yourself it isn't fake (or confirm that it is...).

I doubt I'd be allowed to do it as it could bring down a plane.

The FAA has a guide of specifications for weather balloons, but does not require any permit for the launch of one.

I believe the specifications are meant mostly to provide impact safety, as you can't use a cell phone for tracking, your payload must be under 12 lbs, and the cable shouldn't be stronger than I don't know what standard...

If you don't abide by these, most likely nothing will happen as the chances of hitting a plane are way too slim (by the way, an inflated balloon would show up on radar). It'd be incredible bad luck for an accident to happen, which I've never personally heard, but it's possible it has a few times.

Most likely it'd ruin your balloon and equipment, while the plane would just experience some minor faults and will probably be grounded from flying until a full inspection, which is extremely unpleasant but not life-threatening. There's no real way your balloon would hurt a plane, unless you put a bomb or something in it.

The weather balloons are great and all but 18 miles isn't that high. I think the goal of the society shouldn't be to judge whether the Earth is curved or not based on footage from a weather balloon but instead decide if the edge of earth and darkness is the terminator between night and day or ... what else it could be.

2 weather balloons to study this 'edge' is their best option IMHO.  (H is for haughty)

I will post my findings within 2 weeks.

There was no Pangea, shifting of large land masses, no FANTASY lands that the globularists might have you believe

I will post my findings within 2 weeks.

There was no Pangea, shifting of large land masses, no FANTASY lands that the globularists might have you believe

Those globularists and their agenda!! Darn them!

Having been on this website for not so very long, I have found one thing to be true.:

FE's won't and don't seem to want to do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

For example, I have suggested that one member of this FE group (whose name I shall not use) contact The American Radio League and Mc Donald Observatory for exchange of information on Amateur Radio "Moon Bounce" and measurements of the distance of the earth to the moon. I haven't seen any response from said person  to those suggestions as yet. See that thread for further information.: "Ham Radio Measurements of the distance from the earth to the moon...."

Having been on this website for not so very long, I have found one thing.:

FE's won't do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

For example, I have suggested that one member of this FE group (whose name I shall not use) contact The American Radio League and Mc Donald Observatory for exchange of information of Amateur Radio "Mounce Bounce" and measurements of the distance of the earth to the moon. I haven't seen any response to those suggestions as yet.

Why should we research what some strangers on here demand when most leave after a month anyways? We're all active in our own specific areas of scholarship.
Our research brings us towards what fascinates us and moves our hearts. It is a sacred undertaking towards our enlightenment of nature's mysteries.
Imagine if researchers around the world changed their focus of research willy-nilly every week. Nothing would be accomplished!

Quote from: Googleotomy on May 30, 2013, 01:33:30 PM

Having been on this website for not so very long, I have found one thing.:

FE's won't do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

For example, I have suggested that one member of this FE group (whose name I shall not use) contact The American Radio League and Mc Donald Observatory for exchange of information of Amateur Radio "Mounce Bounce" and measurements of the distance of the earth to the moon. I haven't seen any response to those suggestions as yet.

Why should we research what some strangers on here demand when most leave after a month anyways? We're all active in our own specific areas of scholarship.
Our research brings us towards what fascinates us and moves our hearts. It is a sacred undertaking towards our enlightenment of nature's mysteries.
Imagine if researchers around the world changed their focus of research willy-nilly every week. Nothing would be accomplished!

A bit of research into the areas that repeatedly come up would give you something with a bit of evidence to refer to rather than the fan fiction that is the wiki.

Manarq my friend, I only hope my research on the continents will aid all the lost souls who visit our forum, mistakenly believing in the past existence of Pangaea and the large scale migration of continents.

Quote from: Googleotomy on May 30, 2013, 01:33:30 PM

Having been on this website for not so very long, I have found one thing.:

FE's won't do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

For example, I have suggested that one member of this FE group (whose name I shall not use) contact The American Radio League and Mc Donald Observatory for exchange of information of Amateur Radio "Mounce Bounce" and measurements of the distance of the earth to the moon. I haven't seen any response to those suggestions as yet.

Why should we research what some strangers on here demand when most leave after a month anyways? We're all active in our own specific areas of scholarship.
Our research brings us towards what fascinates us and moves our hearts. It is a sacred undertaking towards our enlightenment of nature's mysteries.
Imagine if researchers around the world changed their focus of research willy-nilly every week. Nothing would be accomplished!

Just for the record, this wasn't a "demand" but merely a "suggestion."

I go to these sources that I listed  for information for myself since IMHO they are the best sources for information on this and other subjects. My suggestion this would be a good place for FE's too.

Manarq my friend, I only hope my research on the continents will aid all the lost souls who visit our forum, mistakenly believing in the past existence of Pangaea and the large scale migration of continents.

Cool, I look forward to reading it. Will you be posting it in the FE Believers area?

Manarq my friend, I only hope my research on the continents will aid all the lost souls who visit our forum, mistakenly believing in the past existence of Pangaea and the large scale migration of continents.

Are you saying that the size and shape of Australia is correct on the Flat Earth Map Presentation that is centered on the North Pole ?

Quote from: Googleotomy on May 30, 2013, 01:33:30 PM

Having been on this website for not so very long, I have found one thing.:

FE's won't do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

For example, I have suggested that one member of this FE group (whose name I shall not use) contact The American Radio League and Mc Donald Observatory for exchange of information of Amateur Radio "Mounce Bounce" and measurements of the distance of the earth to the moon. I haven't seen any response to those suggestions as yet.

Why should we research what some strangers on here demand when most leave after a month anyways? We're all active in our own specific areas of scholarship.
Our research brings us towards what fascinates us and moves our hearts. It is a sacred undertaking towards our enlightenment of nature's mysteries.
Imagine if researchers around the world changed their focus of research willy-nilly every week. Nothing would be accomplished!

In my own words, I would say RErs are presenting things that cannot coexist. For instance, a moonbounce is a way to define the distance of the moon. The FE number for the moon and the RE number for the distance cannot both exist.  Googleotmy is presenting a chance to tear the fabric of the Round Earth veil.

Round-earthers present many options they believe is a better route than sifting through Apollo moon-landing photos and Youtube videos and anomalies in photos.  Instead, why not apply some cold-hard facts?  You should continue with your research though! We don't expect researching FErs to drop their current projects.

FE's won't and don't seem to want to do anything that you might suggest that they do. They want you to do it for them.  And that includes research.

And even if you do it and present it to them, they will automatically dismiss it since it wasn't their own observation, and the one who did it doesn't believe in a flat earth, therefore he must be wrong or part of the conspiracy.